Should Gruden Just Shutup?

[OldSchool]

First he said he was going to compete the QB spot, than he said Griffin was #1, now he talks about the possibility of drafting a guy while talking Griffin up also. I recognize all of these different responses are to questions at various time but it makes for more drama. Maybe he should've picked a sensible position and stuck to it which is the public guy way to keep his move shut.

[tribeofjudah]

He'll be fine. It's all "smoke and mirrors" dude.......... 2nd year will be good for Gruden.

[Countertrey]

First he said he was going to compete the QB spot, than he said Griffin was #1, now he talks about the possibility of drafting a guy while talking Griffin up also. I recognize all of these different responses are to questions at various time but it makes for more drama. Maybe he should've picked a sensible position and stuck to it which is the public guy way to keep his move shut.

You DO realize that there are games being played, right?

[OldSchool]

First he said he was going to compete the QB spot, than he said Griffin was #1, now he talks about the possibility of drafting a guy while talking Griffin up also. I recognize all of these different responses are to questions at various time but it makes for more drama. Maybe he should've picked a sensible position and stuck to it which is the public guy way to keep his move shut.

You DO realize that there are games being played, right?

You're ascribing design and purpose to these shifting positions, perhaps that is the case but sometimes stupid is just stupid.

[Prowl33]

First he said he was going to compete the QB spot, than he said Griffin was #1, now he talks about the possibility of drafting a guy while talking Griffin up also. I recognize all of these different responses are to questions at various time but it makes for more drama. Maybe he should've picked a sensible position and stuck to it which is the public guy way to keep his move shut.

If you actually listened to the words that he says youll hear him say Griffin is #1 going into next season. Which later he clarified meaning Griffin will start OTAs as #1 getting reps, and it was his job to take it and run with it. Then in the most recent interview he repeated that and threw in that they would make adjustments as needed.

To simplify it to you. There is an open competition, Griffin will start out getting 1st team reps, and if he does what needs to be done, the job is his.

Drafting a QB 1st or 7th round is to bring competition and depth to the team, just like every other position.

Dont rip Gruden for actually doing his job right.

[oj]

First he said he was going to compete the QB spot, than he said Griffin was #1, now he talks about the possibility of drafting a guy while talking Griffin up also. I recognize all of these different responses are to questions at various time but it makes for more drama. Maybe he should've picked a sensible position and stuck to it which is the public guy way to keep his move shut.

If you actually listened to the words that he says youll hear him say Griffin is #1 going into next season. Which later he clarified meaning Griffin will start OTAs as #1 getting reps, and it was his job to take it and run with it. Then in the most recent interview he repeated that and threw in that they would make adjustments as needed.

To simplify it to you. There is an open competition, Griffin will start out getting 1st team reps, and if he does what needs to be done, the job is his.

Drafting a QB 1st or 7th round is to bring competition and depth to the team, just like every other position.

Dont rip Gruden for actually doing his job right.

I disagree, Gruden has to be a rock solid leader and set the standard for all other members of the organization. His message has to be clear, not require interpretation and leave no wiggle room.
My litmus test is: Would Bellicheck have said that? Would Coach Landry have done that? Would George Allen have allowed that?

[SkinsJock]

there are some here that just don't get it ...

there are also many that will just post for the sake of posting and really don't have a clue or just want to find fault with everything


it the 'crazy' part of the season both here and in all the front offices of the NFL

[SkinsJock]

How can you even imagine coaches like Landry or Belicheat being a part of the stupidity that has been a part of this franchise since Snyder took over ... we're hoping that all that stuff is behind us now with Scot being in charge but there was no way that a Tom Landry or a Bill Belicheat would have put up with this BS for very long or even have come here in the first place

I'm hoping that Gruden can be a part of the future here - he's going to need Snyder to stay out of things & for Scot to work some magic

his recent comments are all a part of the stuff that go on at this time and should not be looked at too closely

[markshark84]

First he said he was going to compete the QB spot, than he said Griffin was #1, now he talks about the possibility of drafting a guy while talking Griffin up also. I recognize all of these different responses are to questions at various time but it makes for more drama. Maybe he should've picked a sensible position and stuck to it which is the public guy way to keep his move shut.

You DO realize that there are games being played, right?

If they are playing games, they are doing so poorly. If the FO is trying to make a play for a trade at #5 by saying all this junk about the QB, they are going about it the wrong way. If you throw stuff like that out to the media, it is CLEAR that a play is being made. After all, if the skins were serious about taking a QB at 5, they wouldn't be saying much --- because then the #4 would be the trade bait; not #5.

I personally agree that it is all a game --- and the fact we know that makes it a stupid play..... If it were me, I'd leak QB info to inside "sources" and let things play out. Once the general media got wind of it, I respond with a strict "no comment"/pissed off/no way type reaction......

For the first time in my adult life, I actually like the way this offseason is going..... with the exception of the whole QB 1 thing with Gruden. I personally think it is a result of the fact he just isn't an articulate guy. Words aren't necessarily his friend. He doesn't "craft" his statements. For guys like Gruden, less is typically "more"....

[Deadskins]

First he said he was going to compete the QB spot, than he said Griffin was #1, now he talks about the possibility of drafting a guy while talking Griffin up also. I recognize all of these different responses are to questions at various time but it makes for more drama. Maybe he should've picked a sensible position and stuck to it which is the public guy way to keep his move shut.

You DO realize that there are games being played, right?

If they are playing games, they are doing so poorly. If the FO is trying to make a play for a trade at #5 by saying all this junk about the QB, they are going about it the wrong way. If you throw stuff like that out to the media, it is CLEAR that a play is being made. After all, if the skins were serious about taking a QB at 5, they wouldn't be saying much --- because then the #4 would be the trade bait; not #5.

I personally agree that it is all a game --- and the fact we know that makes it a stupid play..... If it were me, I'd leak QB info to inside "sources" and let things play out. Once the general media got wind of it, I respond with a strict "no comment"/pissed off/no way type reaction......

For the first time in my adult life, I actually like the way this offseason is going..... with the exception of the whole QB 1 thing with Gruden. I personally think it is a result of the fact he just isn't an articulate guy. Words aren't necessarily his friend. He doesn't "craft" his statements. For guys like Gruden, less is typically "more"....

+1
As for the highlighted part, I think the talk of taking a QB at 5 is so that one of the other top players falls to 5. They have their eye on someone and they're hoping that he falls to us at 5 because some team moved up ahead of us to take Mariotta instead.

[Irn-Bru]

First he said he was going to compete the QB spot, than he said Griffin was #1, now he talks about the possibility of drafting a guy while talking Griffin up also. I recognize all of these different responses are to questions at various time but it makes for more drama. Maybe he should've picked a sensible position and stuck to it which is the public guy way to keep his move shut.

To be fair, his message on Griffin and the starting spot, apart from the drafting stuff, has been consistent. Contrary to what the Washington Post would tell you. At first I thought he had said that Griffin already had the job, but when I looked at actual quotes — and not summaries or elaborations provided by the media — it was clear that he only meant Griffin was the presumed starter going into the offseason, training camp, and week one. Since then he's repeated that and indicated that the job is open if someone else is capable of taking it from him.

If anyone can prove me wrong with actual quotes from Gruden, I'd welcome it. I was confused and annoyed when the original reports came out, but since then what I've been able to piece together from actual quotes is all fine.

As for the draft and quarterback talk . . . not that big of a deal IMHO. They are just saying that if a QB is the best to take, they would take him. On the side they leaked info to sources (e.g., John Clayton) that we were strongly considering grabbing Mariota. I'm not sure how many if any teams will buy that rumor, but I also don't really care. No one's going to care in about 3 months.

[OldSchool]

First he said he was going to compete the QB spot, than he said Griffin was #1, now he talks about the possibility of drafting a guy while talking Griffin up also. I recognize all of these different responses are to questions at various time but it makes for more drama. Maybe he should've picked a sensible position and stuck to it which is the public guy way to keep his move shut.

If you actually listened to the words that he says youll hear him say Griffin is #1 going into next season. Which later he clarified meaning Griffin will start OTAs as #1 getting reps, and it was his job to take it and run with it. Then in the most recent interview he repeated that and threw in that they would make adjustments as needed.

To simplify it to you. There is an open competition, Griffin will start out getting 1st team reps, and if he does what needs to be done, the job is his.

Drafting a QB 1st or 7th round is to bring competition and depth to the team, just like every other position.

Dont rip Gruden for actually doing his job right.

I disagree, Gruden has to be a rock solid leader and set the standard for all other members of the organization. His message has to be clear, not require interpretation and leave no wiggle room.
My litmus test is: Would Bellicheck have said that? Would Coach Landry have done that? Would George Allen have allowed that?

Thanks, you expressed well what I am thinking. Consistency and clarity of purpose are important leadership traits that Bellicheck, Landry, Allen and others exhibited and I think Gruden would be wise to remember to think a few steps ahead and make consistent and purposeful statements.

[Prowl33]

Gruden didnt just make his words easily misinterpreted. The media spun it into what they wanted to like they do everything in dc. I from the start knew what he meant, and most people that listened to the interview rather than reading it on some misc blog would agree with me.

When it comes to the draft talk, sounded like he was mimicing his GM when asked those questions. That they will draft the BPA, so even if its a QB. They dont want anyone to know who is or isnt on that list at #5. Heck far as we know the Jets may wanna jump up 1 spot to get Mariota if he is there.... if they thought there wasnt a chance we would do that, then that trade wouldnt be possible.

You guys are ripping on. Gm and hc that are finally doing things the right way.

[Countertrey]

The goal is Williams. There is a very narrow path in which that can happen... and it requires that teams with desperate need of other position players pick players other than Williams in 1,2,3 and 4. Scot is pulling these strings... .. If it works, it's brilliant. If it doesn't, no harm done, and they move on to plan B.

People, this is very similar to the game that was played to cause Orakpo to fall to us... Remember the "leaks" that the Redskins were interested in Mark Sanchez? How'd that work out? (I had mentioned that as a possible scenario then, too) The bottom line it, if it works, great... if it doesn't work, so what?

[fredp45]

I don't have any problem with what Gruden says, in fact, I like his honesty.

My biggest problem with him is the constant juggling of qb's.

Look through history, very very few teams do well in the NFL with an unsettled Qb position. Colleges can do that but not pro teams (sorry, arena football maybe)

Go with RGIII or Cousins all year and only pull him if he gets hurt. This back and forth will NOT work.

I am not a Colt fan but he beat the Cowboys the first game...then Jay replaced him with RGIII, who I don't believe was really healthy from the dislocated ankle injury.

[riggofan]

I don't have any problem with what Gruden says, in fact, I like his honesty.

I don't think Gruden has said anything substantive about the QBs in months. Griffin is the starter until he proves otherwise? Griffin can lose the job if he doesn't perform?

This stuff is all just platitudes. Like politicians telling you they believe in supporting small business or freedom or something. Until you're actually talking about the details or doing something, you haven't said anything.

[markshark84]

+1
As for the highlighted part, I think the talk of taking a QB at 5 is so that one of the other top players falls to 5. They have their eye on someone and they're hoping that he falls to us at 5 because some team moved up ahead of us to take Mariotta instead.

I can understand that. For some reason in my recent memory, teams generally only trade up in the top 5 for QBs, but I totally understand what you are saying and think you are correct on this........... or at least I hope you are......

[fredp45]

Riggofan,

To be clear, I don't have any issues with what Gruden has SAID about anything, since getting the Redskin Head Coaching position.

My problem with him is not what he says, but how he juggled QBs last year.

[SkinsJock]

Jay Gruden is under as much pressure as anyone else here ...

it's simple - everyone here, players and coaches, needs to earn their spot on the roster ...

Jay is gone (just like Robert and everyone else) if they don't show that they are a lot better than they were

winning is not as important here right now as showing marked improvement - the winning will happen when all the pieces are in place

[OldSchool]

Riggofan,

To be clear, I don't have any issues with what Gruden has SAID about anything, since getting the Redskin Head Coaching position.

My problem with him is not what he says, but how he juggled QBs last year.

Juggled QBs last year? He started the season with Griffin, I don't think he could've done otherwise if he wanted to so in my mind that doesn't even count as a decision. Griffin gets hurt and Cousins goes in, I don't think you could really count that as a decision either because the starter was hurt. In my mind he makes his first decision when he decided to pull Cousins. I can' t fault him because Cousins did have some terrible quarters so the switched made sense and it worked McCoy played well enough to lead the Skins to two victories. Griffin returned to the lineup. Was this Gruden's decision? I don't think so Synder mandated it in my opinion. You may believe Gruden made that decision but I can't imagine why he would, Griffin started because Daniel Snyders owns the franchise. When Griffin got dinged Gruden went back to McCoy. As I see it Gruden decided to bench Cousins, Snyder mandated the rest.

[fredp45]

conjecture on your part...we don't know that Danny was involved in that.

[SkinsJock]

What Jay Gruden says is not going to matter - he needs to show that he can do a better job and help Jay and the rest of the FO add the players and coaches he needs to help the complete makeover this franchise needs

some of the players and coaches we have may be here for a few more years but the accountability has been non existent

everyone here needs to do a better job - what they say does not matter