Tampa - Winston Tenn - Mariota Jacksonville - Cooper Oakland - Williams
Jacksonville and Oakland could flip.
So at #5 we have our pick of pass rusher
Washington - Fowler
I like him out of all the pass rushers. Overall skill wise he seems the best, couple of the other guys are better pure pass rushers now, but Fowler is far from his ceiling, he got moved around a ton in college and did good in every spot he played. We could move Trent Murphy to the inside where I think he would play great as a run stopper, good in coverage, and great on blitz packages. Also, to throw teams off, we could flip Fowler with Trent to the inside.
The other way the draft plays out is Fowler goes #3 or 4 and Williams falls to #5. So either we get the best player in the whole draft, or our pick of the best pass rusher. Draft day will be fun
fredp45 wrote:I believe Williams would be a great pick --even though we don't really need him in 2015.
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Thought Tandler's article today on why we might not want to trade out of the #5 was interesting. Here's what Peter King wrote about the top part of the draft:
Here’s what a few football people who were at the league meetings are thinking about the breakdown of this draft: Nine prime picks, then eight or 10 really good prospects, then maybe 30 or so of the same-level player. The top nine: quarterbacks Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota, defensive tackle Leonard Williams, wideouts Kevin White and Amari Cooper, pass-rushers Dante Fowler and Vic Beasley, offensive tackle Brandon Scherff and cornerback Trae Waynes. After that, beauty starts to be in the eye of the beholder. I had one GM tell me: “The 17th pick on our board might be the 53rd pick on another team’s board—and that could be a team we really respect.”
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fredp45 wrote:I believe Williams would be a great pick --even though we don't really need him in 2015.
LOL... I don't NEED an Aston Martin Vulcan in 2015, either... But I could sure figure out what to do with it...
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fredp45 wrote:I believe Williams would be a great pick --even though we don't really need him in 2015.
LOL... I don't NEED an Aston Martin Vulcan in 2015, either... But I could sure figure out what to do with it...
hah!
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The beauty of blogs is I don't have to see all of you (haha) but the downside of blogs is we don't see each other when we communicate!
Of course Williams will help us out, I acknowledged I'd take him if there at #5.
My point is...we are already loaded at Dline. He is a stud and will be a stud for many years -- he will really help us as we move on from Hatcher after this year. A pass rushing OLB helps us more in 2015 but none of these pass rushing OLB are as good as Williams long term.
Again, if he's there, I take him. I worry about playing time once we get to Day 1.
fredp45 wrote:My point is...we are already loaded at Dline.
Oh I get your point, I just don't agree with it. I'm glad we signed a couple guys in free agency, and I hope they can help. But personally not quite ready to declare our defensive line "loaded".
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Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
fredp45 wrote:The beauty of blogs is I don't have to see all of you (haha) but the downside of blogs is we don't see each other when we communicate!
Of course Williams will help us out, I acknowledged I'd take him if there at #5.
My point is...we are already loaded at Dline. He is a stud and will be a stud for many years -- he will really help us as we move on from Hatcher after this year. A pass rushing OLB helps us more in 2015 but none of these pass rushing OLB are as good as Williams long term.
Again, if he's there, I take him. I worry about playing time once we get to Day 1.
By the way, you'd wreck the Aston!
Perhaps...
...but, I'd never know! LOL!
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fredp45 wrote:Right now I'd call us "loaded" in two positions for 2015...
D Line WR
Not saying they're set for 2016 and beyond.
If you don't agree, what positions are we better stocked?
I agree - the thing is we're not drafting for this season like we used to ... look how well that worked for us
we're going to be building a roster for the future - if DL or WR is the best player available when we pick, Scot will draft him
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
fredp45 wrote:Right now I'd call us "loaded" in two positions for 2015...
D Line WR
Not saying they're set for 2016 and beyond.
If you don't agree, what positions are we better stocked?
Oh, I quite agree...
It's just that, the addition of Williams would move it from loaded... to complete beast. The kind of line that, simply because it exists, several games are won.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
fredp45 wrote:Right now I'd call us "loaded" in two positions for 2015...
D Line WR
Not saying they're set for 2016 and beyond.
If you don't agree, what positions are we better stocked?
I don't think we're especially loaded at any positions, but yeah I agree those positions are probably our strongest.
I'll put it this way. There isn't a position on this team where I wouldn't draft a player including DL, WR, and QB.
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Cooper just told me he's only spoken to one team so far...the Washington Redskins. 12:45 PM - 20 Feb 2015 229 RETWEETS 130 FAVORITES
This means little. At the top of the draft, there are head games being played... Teams often calculate how to create the appearance of interest in one player, in hopes of increasing interest in that player from other teams... in an attempt to cause the player they actually want to drop to them. Occasionally, it actually works.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
Its really impossie to tell who we will pick. Scot could have like 5-6 players at the top of his board at #5. All we can do is guess... cooper, white, sherff, fowler, mariota, williams, beasley... just to name a few
Cooper just told me he's only spoken to one team so far...the Washington Redskins. 12:45 PM - 20 Feb 2015 229 RETWEETS 130 FAVORITES
This means little. At the top of the draft, there are head games being played... Teams often calculate how to create the appearance of interest in one player, in hopes of increasing interest in that player from other teams... in an attempt to cause the player they actually want to drop to them. Occasionally, it actually works.
Yeah the Skins should talk to as many of the top players in the draft as they can. What's the harm?
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This is an Insider article by Kiper. Thought you guys might like to see who the top 10 "safest picks" are this year. Its pretty exciting that we're in position to land at least one of these guys.
The run-stopper plus
Leonard Williams: I know some think Danny Shelton is a safer defensive lineman as a pure oversized clogger in the middle, but Williams is a devastating run-defender who controls multiple gaps and creates a push of penetration regardless of where he lines up. He's safe because of the scheme versatility and the fact that he hasn't even fully developed as a pass-rusher yet.
Where he'll land: Top five.
The do-it-all pass-catcher
Amari Cooper: Man him. Zone him. Bracket him. Press him. Do whatever you want -- yet Cooper has shown he can get open with short-area quickness, strength, and speed out of his breaks and over the top. He also recognizes what defenses are trying to do to him. This guy caught 84 more passes than the next guy on his team last year. Defenses knew he was coming, but there was nothing they could do. We've also seen in Cooper's workouts that concerns about his speed aren't just unfounded; Cooper is one of the fastest WR prospects in this draft.
Where he'll land: Inside the top 10.
The edge-rusher who fits
Dante Fowler: He can play with his hand on the ground, or you can stand him up. He can win with quickness and dip around the corner, or he'll take advantage if a tackle commits to stopping outside leverage and he'll work back inside. Fowler has good strength but also enough length; he's also raw, so you can see that his talent will develop. I like Fowler because he's a great hybrid type in a league where almost all defenses are, at least somewhat.
Where he'll land: Inside the top 10.
The guy you know you can run behind
Brandon Scherff: By this point I think we know that Scherff might not stay at left tackle. He simply doesn't have the length for an evaluator to say he'll definitely end up there in the NFL. But he's safe because the worst-case scenario is that you plug him in right away at guard and let him go to work. Scherff has great brute strength, and you see it in the run game. He could be the Zack Martin or Joel Bitonio of 2015 (although I do think he can play right tackle).
Where he'll land: Top 15.
The sneaky-safe linebacker
Shaq Thompson: The guy who played everywhere last year (including running back) can be maligned because we don't know at which position where he'll end up. But that fails to mention that even a conservative estimate of his potential would make him a very good weakside defender who can chase down any play and knows how to cover in space. He could use more mass, but the guy who compares himself to Lavonte David really could become that type of player.
Where he'll land: Top 40.
The guy who can simply cover
Trae Waynes: The cornerback out of Michigan State is lean but can press, and he has length but can also mirror routes and stay with the fastest receivers down the field. Sure, he grabs too much and will have to trust himself and his positioning a little more, but given his now-proven recovery speed (he can run low-4.3s) to go with the tape, you have to feel as comfortable with Waynes as any other corner in this draft given how difficult a transition it can be at that position.
Where he'll land: Top 20.
The break-the-glass-in-an-emergency O-lineman
Cameron Erving: I think Erving has Pro Bowl potential if he plays center, and any team that saw his tape from the last half of the 2014 season likely would put him there. But he also would have been drafted if he'd simply stayed at left tackle, which speaks to his upside and versatility. If you draft him in Round 1, you can start him at center, but Erving brings extra value if injuries make a mess of your line.
Where he'll land: Late Round 1.
The speed merchant-plus
Phillip Dorsett: He ran a 4.33 40 in Indy and also timed 6.70 in the three-cone drill, both notable because although he has speed to simply blow away cornerbacks who don't have plus-plus recovery speed, he also has the quickness to win in the slot and do major damage against zone coverages. He lacks size but does a decent job on contested throws and has gotten a lot more consistent with his hands. I think he's safe because he's so much more than a sprinter out there, and he'll be a handful to cover wherever he is lined up.
Where he'll land: Top 35.
The freak athlete with tape to match
Byron Jones: The UConn cornerback can broad jump a furlong and is fast and bouncy. He also displays great acceleration when he needs to recover. It would be easy to see Jones' workout footage and peg him as an athlete, but he's actually better at anticipating than simply relying on changing direction without any wasted motion, because his change-of-direction movement is probably the one clear weakness he shows on tape. I think Jones could land at safety depending on the needs of the team that drafts him. He's one of the bigger sleepers in this draft.
Where he'll land: Top 40.
If you draft him in Round 2 ...
Melvin Gordon: Given the injury questions any running back faces, Gordon is certainly not a safe pick in Round 1. But he is close because if you can block for him, he can be a major difference-maker in his rookie season, so what you would lose in long-term certainty you'd win back in immediate production. Gordon is sneaky strong between the tackles and a home run threat any time he gets a crease. He's my best bet to be the first running back taken in Round 1 since 2012.
Where he'll land: Top 35.
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fredp45 wrote:Right now I'd call us "loaded" in two positions for 2015...
D Line WR
Not saying they're set for 2016 and beyond.
If you don't agree, what positions are we better stocked?
Oh, I quite agree...
It's just that, the addition of Williams would move it from loaded... to complete beast. The kind of line that, simply because it exists, several games are won.
I wouldn't exactly call our DL "loaded"....... I won't even comment on "complete beast". It has been upgraded, but we only have 1 true pass-rusher in Kerrigan on this team. I don't see a ton of guys being about to pressure the QB.
By opening day of 2017, we need to add about 7 or 8 starters on defense and possibly 5 or 6 on offense
that is not going to be easy
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
fredp45 wrote:Right now I'd call us "loaded" in two positions for 2015...
D Line WR
Not saying they're set for 2016 and beyond.
If you don't agree, what positions are we better stocked?
Oh, I quite agree...
It's just that, the addition of Williams would move it from loaded... to complete beast. The kind of line that, simply because it exists, several games are won.
I wouldn't exactly call our DL "loaded"....... I won't even comment on "complete beast". It has been upgraded, but we only have 1 true pass-rusher in Kerrigan on this team. I don't see a ton of guys being about to pressure the QB.
Trust me. You add Williams to this now very good line, and "beast line" WILL apply.
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Countertrey wrote:Trust me. You add Williams to this now very good line, and "beast line" WILL apply.
He definitely looks like a beast. I'm just going to hold off on calling our line loaded or good or improved or anything else until we actually see them play. Tired of winning the offseason!
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getting the best player in the draft with the 5 pick is a huge deal for this FO and IMHO would be better than trading out of the 5 slot and getting 2 good players
we do need to add a lot of young starters but this kid will be a force for a long time
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
riggofan wrote:Yeah the Skins should talk to as many of the top players in the draft as they can. What's the harm?
At first I read this as "the Skins should take as many of the top players in the draft as they can" and I thought that sounded like a great idea, but we only get one pick (as of now).
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
