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Redskins: Quietly sensible FA signings
Sam Monson | March 17, 2015

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Don’t look now, but the Washington Redskins are making shrewd free agent moves.

Gone are the days of throwing as much money as they could collect up at players like Albert Haynesworth – there was no pursuit of Ndamukong Suh, the big prize in this year’s free agency crop – and instead are a series of smart moves that can help the football team without breaking the bank, or the salary cap.

Re-signing Tom Compton and Niles Paul are moves whose merit can be debated, but the new faces arriving have a combined PFF rating of +37.4 (ok, that’s not really a legitimate number since positions can’t be cross compared, but it illustrates a point…)

In fact, none of the five players signed by Washington that plied their trade elsewhere in 2014 have a negative PFF grade that season. Every single one of them is coming off a positively graded season, with Stephen Paea and Terrance Knighton having the most impressive seasons.

That pair should team with Jason Hatcher to give Washington the formidable defensive line they have been chasing for years. They are not just talented, but will form a balanced trio of players that can cause problems for blockers. Ricky-Jean Francois didn’t enjoy the kind of season in Indianapolis that they would have been banking on when they signed him for significant money in the last free agent period, but he wasn’t poor for them either, and could rediscover his best play as a rotational body in Washington.

Chris Culliver is coming off some fine play for the 49ers and, though he has never quite eliminated the negatives from his game, he is still just 27 and represents a colossal upgrade over David Amerson, in particular, at cornerback, even concentrating solely on the negative plays.

Finally, Jeron Johnson is a defensive back coming out of the Seattle system that has produced or identified a lot of quality players recently. He played just 98 snaps last season but graded positively in them, earning his best grade, perhaps significantly, in his lone start, and the game in which he played 69 of those 98 snaps.

There is no huge splash signing among this group, but maybe that is a good thing. Washington appear to have done free agency the right way and added a series of quality signings.


Redskins: Knighton adds some steel
Michael Mountford | March 17, 2015

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For much of the last decade the Washington Redskins have struggled to field a solid defensive line, making move after move to little avail. This offseason has been no different as new GM Scott McCloughan has added ends Rickey Jean-Francois and Stephen Paea, and, in one of the best moves of free agency so far, Terrance Knighton to man the nose.

As a two-gapping nose tackle, Knighton adds an element that Washington has lacked since moving to the 3-4 defense. He is a space-eating behemoth, where before they preferred the more penetrative talents of the undersized Barry Cofield. Over the past two years no Redskins defensive lineman has graded positively in run defense, but across the same span Knighton has recorded a cumulative +18.9 grade against the run.

While his primary role is to stuff the run, in 2013 Knighton also showed that he can disrupt to the opposition’s passing game. With four sacks and 34 total pressures, Knighton had a Pass Rushing Productivity score of 8.9, the eighth-highest among tackles. He finished just behind more established interior pass rushers like new teammate Jason Hatcher, and Jurrell Casey.

With the rumors going around free agency that Knighton has been dealing with weight issues, the Redskins might have gotten themselves a steal in free agency, only giving Knighton a one-year contract worth $4 million. If they get the motivated Knighton that played in Denver they will have signed one of the best nose tackles in the league.
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Great, but nothing on Offense.
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Redskins: Quietly sensible FA signings
Sam Monson | March 17, 2015

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Don’t look now, but the Washington Redskins are making shrewd free agent moves.

Gone are the days of throwing as much money as they could collect up at players like Albert Haynesworth – there was no pursuit of Ndamukong Suh, the big prize in this year’s free agency crop – and instead are a series of smart moves that can help the football team without breaking the bank, or the salary cap.


I get so tired of this characterization. It's telling that Haynesworth is the name they use, as we signed him in February 2009:

- That's a full season before Mike Shanahan became the Redskins' coach.

- Brian Orakpo was still a college student.

- So were Matthew Stafford, Clay Matthews, and LeSean McCoy.

- The Seahawks were just coming off a 4-12 season, were on their way to a 5-11 season, and would have two more losing seasons after that before solidifying into the powerhouse we know now.

- Peyton Manning still had three years ahead of him in Indianapolis.

- Kurt Warner had just played in a Super Bowl, and Brett Favre had just finished a disastrous season for the Jets (and had yet to play a down for the Vikings).

- Speaking of the Vikings, their starting QB just a few months before we signed Haynesworth: Gus Frerotte.


I get that the Redskins haven't been a winning team in the last six years. But can we please stop acting surprised when the Redskins don't throw a huge contract at a guy like Suh? By NFL standards, it's been a generation since we've been anything like FA players.

Or, if we're going to go with that narrative, let's at least say things like "Don't look now, but the Seahawks are going to be a pretty good team in 2015!"
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tribeofjudah wrote:Great, but nothing on Offense.


lol. Who exactly should we have signed?
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tribeofjudah wrote:Great, but nothing on Offense.


Our #1 area of concern was DEF, in particular DL and 2ndary. That is what Scot went after. OFF cost more $$$$ -- which is why you get them via draft.

While I don't agree with everything he is doing ---- this is the first offseason that I can LITERALLY remember where I am happy about the way things are going.
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We don't have a "#1 area of concern" - the whole franchise needs a makeover ... I look for Scot & the Redskins to do very little in free agency and try and make the most of their draft picks over the next 3 drafts

there's going to be a huge turnover of this roster and there are very few 'starters' currently on this roster that will be here in 2017
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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SkinsJock wrote:We don't have a "#1 area of concern" - the whole franchise needs a makeover ... I look for Scot & the Redskins to do very little in free agency and try and make the most of their draft picks over the next 3 drafts

there's going to be a huge turnover of this roster and there are very few 'starters' currently on this roster that will be here in 2017


I get your point, SJ, but I have to agree with markshark on what our #1 area of concern was going into the offseason. Seems pretty clear from what McGloughan did in free agency that there was some urgency to address the defense.
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Irn-Bru wrote:
Redskins: Quietly sensible FA signings
Sam Monson | March 17, 2015

PFF-headlines

Don’t look now, but the Washington Redskins are making shrewd free agent moves.

Gone are the days of throwing as much money as they could collect up at players like Albert Haynesworth – there was no pursuit of Ndamukong Suh, the big prize in this year’s free agency crop – and instead are a series of smart moves that can help the football team without breaking the bank, or the salary cap.


I get so tired of this characterization. It's telling that Haynesworth is the name they use, as we signed him in February 2009:

- That's a full season before Mike Shanahan became the Redskins' coach.

- Brian Orakpo was still a college student.

- So were Matthew Stafford, Clay Matthews, and LeSean McCoy.

- The Seahawks were just coming off a 4-12 season, were on their way to a 5-11 season, and would have two more losing seasons after that before solidifying into the powerhouse we know now.

- Peyton Manning still had three years ahead of him in Indianapolis.

- Kurt Warner had just played in a Super Bowl, and Brett Favre had just finished a disastrous season for the Jets (and had yet to play a down for the Vikings).

- Speaking of the Vikings, their starting QB just a few months before we signed Haynesworth: Gus Frerotte.


I get that the Redskins haven't been a winning team in the last six years. But can we please stop acting surprised when the Redskins don't throw a huge contract at a guy like Suh? By NFL standards, it's been a generation since we've been anything like FA players.

Or, if we're going to go with that narrative, let's at least say things like "Don't look now, but the Seahawks are going to be a pretty good team in 2015!"


Yes, but doing it your way wouldn't fit the narrative that Dan Snyder is the WORST, EVER! That Redskins are not only not winning but going about doing everything the wrong way. The narrative must be maintained!
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Irn-Bru wrote:I get so tired of this characterization. It's telling that Haynesworth is the name they use, as we signed him in February 2009:

- That's a full season before Mike Shanahan became the Redskins' coach.

- Brian Orakpo was still a college student.

- So were Matthew Stafford, Clay Matthews, and LeSean McCoy.

- The Seahawks were just coming off a 4-12 season, were on their way to a 5-11 season, and would have two more losing seasons after that before solidifying into the powerhouse we know now.

- Peyton Manning still had three years ahead of him in Indianapolis.

- Kurt Warner had just played in a Super Bowl, and Brett Favre had just finished a disastrous season for the Jets (and had yet to play a down for the Vikings).

- Speaking of the Vikings, their starting QB just a few months before we signed Haynesworth: Gus Frerotte.


I get that the Redskins haven't been a winning team in the last six years. But can we please stop acting surprised when the Redskins don't throw a huge contract at a guy like Suh? By NFL standards, it's been a generation since we've been anything like FA players.

Or, if we're going to go with that narrative, let's at least say things like "Don't look now, but the Seahawks are going to be a pretty good team in 2015!"


You realize that since Danny boy took over, this organization had a decade+ long history of making bonehead FA signings coupled with giving away draft picks..... Danny boy also continued to give away draft picks post-haynsworth via the RGIII trade which is now generally seen as being a stupid decision.

Danny boy BUILT his reputation as someone desperate in getting high profile FAs and giving away draft picks for aging vets. Yes, that has stopped but as anyone on earth knows, once a reputation is established, it takes TWICE the time it took to establish it to squash it. Danny boy spent OVER 10 years establishing it......... it won't (and shouldn't) go away because he hasn't done anything stupid since 2012..... that is just how things work. Now, winning does change things, but that hasn't happened.....
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markshark84 wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:I get so tired of this characterization. It's telling that Haynesworth is the name they use, as we signed him in February 2009:

- That's a full season before Mike Shanahan became the Redskins' coach.

- Brian Orakpo was still a college student.

- So were Matthew Stafford, Clay Matthews, and LeSean McCoy.

- The Seahawks were just coming off a 4-12 season, were on their way to a 5-11 season, and would have two more losing seasons after that before solidifying into the powerhouse we know now.

- Peyton Manning still had three years ahead of him in Indianapolis.

- Kurt Warner had just played in a Super Bowl, and Brett Favre had just finished a disastrous season for the Jets (and had yet to play a down for the Vikings).

- Speaking of the Vikings, their starting QB just a few months before we signed Haynesworth: Gus Frerotte.


I get that the Redskins haven't been a winning team in the last six years. But can we please stop acting surprised when the Redskins don't throw a huge contract at a guy like Suh? By NFL standards, it's been a generation since we've been anything like FA players.

Or, if we're going to go with that narrative, let's at least say things like "Don't look now, but the Seahawks are going to be a pretty good team in 2015!"


You realize that since Danny boy took over, this organization had a decade+ long history of making bonehead FA signings coupled with giving away draft picks..... Danny boy also continued to give away draft picks post-haynsworth via the RGIII trade which is now generally seen as being a stupid decision.

Danny boy BUILT his reputation as someone desperate in getting high profile FAs and giving away draft picks for aging vets. Yes, that has stopped but as anyone on earth knows, once a reputation is established, it takes TWICE the time it took to establish it to squash it. Danny boy spent OVER 10 years establishing it......... it won't (and shouldn't) go away because he hasn't done anything stupid since 2012..... that is just how things work. Now, winning does change things, but that hasn't happened.....


That's exactly my point: people still talk about big splashes in free agency only because we haven't been a winning team, not because the reputation fits the facts. It definitely does not take twice as long to shake a reputation in the NFL as it does to build it. I couldn't disagree with that more, and everything about the NFL (the "what have you done for me lately?" league) supports this idea. Relatively quiet FA periods + winning seasons would equal an entirely different reputation in just a few years. There's no way in hell it would take 25 years for people to change their minds. :lol:

Haynesworth is old news and boring, and basically irrelevant at this point. The RGIII trade might have been better to bring up, but of course what that has to do with free agency is a little harder to say in a sentence or less.

A better lead for the story would have been something like, "With all the holes on the Redskins' roster, you might have expected them to make a big splash in free agency as they were known to do years ago. But instead, new GM Scot McCloughan . . ." See? I even kept the association with big spending in free agency, but notice that my version doesn't contradict plain facts.
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markshark84 wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:I get so tired of this characterization. It's telling that Haynesworth is the name they use, as we signed him in February 2009:

- That's a full season before Mike Shanahan became the Redskins' coach.

- Brian Orakpo was still a college student.

- So were Matthew Stafford, Clay Matthews, and LeSean McCoy.

- The Seahawks were just coming off a 4-12 season, were on their way to a 5-11 season, and would have two more losing seasons after that before solidifying into the powerhouse we know now.

- Peyton Manning still had three years ahead of him in Indianapolis.

- Kurt Warner had just played in a Super Bowl, and Brett Favre had just finished a disastrous season for the Jets (and had yet to play a down for the Vikings).

- Speaking of the Vikings, their starting QB just a few months before we signed Haynesworth: Gus Frerotte.


I get that the Redskins haven't been a winning team in the last six years. But can we please stop acting surprised when the Redskins don't throw a huge contract at a guy like Suh? By NFL standards, it's been a generation since we've been anything like FA players.

Or, if we're going to go with that narrative, let's at least say things like "Don't look now, but the Seahawks are going to be a pretty good team in 2015!"


You realize that since Danny boy took over, this organization had a decade+ long history of making bonehead FA signings coupled with giving away draft picks..... Danny boy also continued to give away draft picks post-haynsworth via the RGIII trade which is now generally seen as being a stupid decision.

Danny boy BUILT his reputation as someone desperate in getting high profile FAs and giving away draft picks for aging vets. Yes, that has stopped but as anyone on earth knows, once a reputation is established, it takes TWICE the time it took to establish it to squash it. Danny boy spent OVER 10 years establishing it......... it won't (and shouldn't) go away because he hasn't done anything stupid since 2012..... that is just how things work. Now, winning does change things, but that hasn't happened.....


On one hand, I do GET why FANS of other teams do this... I do the same thing, just because that's what I do.

On the other hand, when the PRESS does this, it's simple laziness, and failure to do CURRENT research. How many times have each of you heard a game color man make a comment about a player's skill, or reputation that you simply know is NOT true? Last year, I heard someone talking about how excellent Hankerson's hands were... I was like "huh???" I can remember the same thing when I once heard some color guy extolling the excellence of Jason Campell's deep ball touch and accuracy... "huh???" It's pure laziness. Failure to research... taking short cuts.
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Every year is important but I think you want to see what Scott do in year two. He havent even been around our current players yet or have a true feel for what the coaches look for or try to accomplish during game day.
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I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"

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