StorminMormon86 wrote:I don't understand how Wilson and Luck are leaps and bounds better than Griffin, and people still want him to remain the starting quarterback going into next year...I really don't get it.
StorminMormon86 wrote:I don't understand how Wilson and Luck are leaps and bounds better than Griffin, and people still want him to remain the starting quarterback going into next year...I really don't get it.
@rgiii: @cperezrn If giving back to the community and training for football at the same time is frowned upon…..then what would you say I do Sir? Not give back or Train? Honest Question
Oh wait…and should I not enjoy a classic song with others who Love MJ? I’m just asking for your wisdom here.
@cperezrn: It’s about the image @rgiii. Whether or not you are training trying to get better it’s all about how you present yourself. Your coach, owner doesn’t want to see you present yourself in this matter. Think about it for a minute. You grew up in a military family. I am also a military man. Ask your father, mother it’s how you present yourself.
@rgii: And I’m presenting myself in a negative way by doing…..what exactly?
@cperezrn: Never said you were presenting yourself in a “negative” way. Just seems that you care more about your social media, commercial’s and brand than football. That’s all bud. Good luck next year. @rgiii. Hope you prove your fans wrong.
@rgiii: And what or who makes it seem that way? The fans are the ones who support not the ones I have to prove wrong
Several fans jumped in to defend Griffin, to which Griffin responded:
@rgiii: Appreciate Ya. Players put too much time into our profession to be told posting on social media 2 or 3 times a day is a sign that you don’t focus on your craft.
Griffin wasn’t done with @cperezrn, though. They eventually agreed to disagree, I think.
@rgiii: I hear what you are saying, but for you to say those things to me is a sign that you don’t know what I am about and have been watching and listening to other people who have never even met me.
@cperezrn: I rest my case at least you understand what I’m trying to tell you and what your critics have said about you. It’s about how you present yourself. Of course we don’t know you. We know your social media, the commercials you make. That’s why I said act like the leader of your team. After you win a title no one can criticize you, but for now they do. Anyways, good luck to you.
@rgiii: No need to act like a leader, just gonna be one as always. The case you tried to make isn’t supported by anything I have done. Fun loving, motivation & football based commercials? Motivation and family related social media post?
@rgiii: Community events and gear going towards helping the community?
@cperezrn: If you were the leader of your team, why weren’t you mentioned as the future the other day. I’m not talking about your community involvement. Not criticizing that. I’m talking to you about the way you present yourself and many of your critics feel that you care more about your brand than football. That is ALL that I’m saying. I can be 100% wrong, even your teammates have said they aren’t sure about you. Think you have too much “DIVA” in you. Anyways I’m wrong you are right.”
@rgiii: Military families have class, dignity & loyalty. I will maintain mine. You have not shown any of those. I will keep it that way and let you go right off my page God Bless
welch wrote:I don't necessarily believe stories that
- Griffin is an egomaniac
- Griffin is "the least self-aware person" possible
- Griffin is more interested in Griffin Inc than in winning
Perhaps Washington Post coverage of the Redskins is so over-done that the paper makes stories to fill space? There never seems to be evidence presented...just expanded gossip.
I still think keeping him for now is better for the franchise than letting him go or trading him
Name one player (not named Champ) that has left and had an all pro career?? I realize this thread is about Griffin and that he probably won’t be traded, but If SM is what we think he is, RG will only be here because he couldn’t get anything for him.DEHog wrote:If SM is what we think he is, RG will only be here because he couldn’t get anything for him.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
Deadskins wrote:DEHog wrote:If SM is what we think he is, RG will only be here because he couldn’t get anything for him.
I don't agree with this at all. If SM is who I think he is, RGIII won't be traded because it's stupid to trade a player still playing under his rookie contract that has that much potential.
SkinsJock wrote:Why get rid of or trade Griffin now? Do you think we're better off with just Cousins and building the rest of the team around him and maybe finding someone else down the road ... I don't agree
at this time let's rebuild this team around these 2 QBs and go from there - why add an issue we don't need
at this time we have 2 good QBs that will show (in the next year or so while we are fixing the O line and the defensive issues) whether they are worth keeping for when the team starts to be competitive again
this process is going to take a couple of years at best - let's not get rid of a QB that maybe we can use
we need to look long term - the analogy about keeping players too long does not apply when they are still young & very talented
I'm not worried about trading Griffin because he might be good for some other franchise - I don't think we've determined that Cousins is the better option just yet
DEHog wrote:Deadskins wrote:DEHog wrote:If SM is what we think he is, RG will only be here because he couldn’t get anything for him.
I don't agree with this at all. If SM is who I think he is, RGIII won't be traded because it's stupid to trade a player still playing under his rookie contract that has that much potential.
Well we will agree to disagree. SM likes to collect picks so I think he'd listen to any offers. You’re not going to pick up his option based on “potential .” So the gamble is to let him play out his rookie contract and hope he developed with a coach who benched him for the third string QB vs. take something for him now…which I believe no one will offer. They will get nothing for him after his contract is up. Some of this is intangible as well, his tenure here in D.C. has deteriorated (whether his fault or not) to the point that I’m not sure it can be fixed with this coach. So do you fire yet another coach and hire another??
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
DEHog wrote:I still think keeping him for now is better for the franchise than letting him go or trading him
I think this is the exact attitude and reason why we are where we are. I for one hope this is the first thing SM changes. The teams that are competitive year in and year out live by the mantra that it’s better to get rid of a player a year to soon than a year to late. I’m so tired of hearing about this or that player who if let go will come back to haunt us???
riggofan wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:I don't understand how Wilson and Luck are leaps and bounds better than Griffin, and people still want him to remain the starting quarterback going into next year...I really don't get it.
Wilson and Luck are leaps and bounds better than Kirk Cousins too. So therefore... we shouldn't want Cousins to be the starter?
riggofan wrote:So you let him go, who do you bring in? Matt Flynn? Mark Sanchez?
DEHog wrote:Agreed, the only reason I even bring it up is because the Skins have made no commitment to him (at least publicly) being the starter this year. I don’t see them exercising the option on him in May. That tells me there isn’t much confidence in him and if I were offered something for him, I’d listen. The only thing worst than giving up what we did for him, would be keeping him one minute longer then we should.
DEHog wrote:If they think that guy is RG fine, trade Cousins. It's like to old saying if you have two QB's you don't have a QB.
StorminMormon86 wrote:riggofan wrote:So you let him go, who do you bring in? Matt Flynn? Mark Sanchez?
As it stands right now, those two would be an upgrade over Griffin. It wouldn't even be close.
I understand the theory of keeping him to play through his rookie contract, but I can't stand another carnival like atmosphere of a season. Not saying that he's solely the reason behind it, because a lot of it is media driven...but I do think that if he were to go, a lot of this media circus atmosphere would decrease.
StorminMormon86 wrote:DEHog wrote:If they think that guy is RG fine, trade Cousins. It's like to old saying if you have two QB's you don't have a QB.
The problem here is there is no way they think either Griffin or Cousins have established themselves as "the" guy...so it would seem to make sense to keep both and have a true open competition going into next season.
riggofan wrote:DEHog wrote:Agreed, the only reason I even bring it up is because the Skins have made no commitment to him (at least publicly) being the starter this year. I don’t see them exercising the option on him in May. That tells me there isn’t much confidence in him and if I were offered something for him, I’d listen. The only thing worst than giving up what we did for him, would be keeping him one minute longer then we should.
I heard something on the radio the other day suggesting that the fifth year option actually makes sense with Griffin. Its like an $18m salary for 2016 but its guaranteed for injury only. So don't be surprised if they actually do pick up that option. They could still release him in 2016 if they wanted.
Of course with RGIII the injury only thing is a bit of a risk!
Griffin’s contract calls for him to earn $6.7 million this season ($3.3 million base salary, $3.4 million signing bonus). This is the final year of his rookie contract. However, his deal does include an option for a fifth season, and the Redskins must pick up that option by May 3. The salary for that fifth year will increase to anywhere from $15 million to $18 million. (The league has yet to set the exact figure). That fifth season would be fully guaranteed, so the Redskins have to be very sure about Griffin before they pull the trigger.
OldSchool wrote:Countertrey wrote:Thing no one would expect to hear:
Putin... "I think I'll annex Crimea"
Apple... "We're introducing the next iPhone"
Dos Eqius guy... "I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis"
OldSchool... "I'd trade Griffin"
The sky is falling?
Fair enough, although I qualify this by saying if Gruden doesn't want him.
DEHog wrote:I still think keeping him for now is better for the franchise than letting him go or trading him
I think this is the exact attitude and reason why we are where we are. I for one hope this is the first thing SM changes. The teams that are competitive year in and year out live by the mantra that it’s better to get rid of a player a year to soon than a year to late. I’m so tired of hearing about this or that player who if let go will come back to haunt us???
BTW...Majac Johnson just rip RG for his social media presence and lack of leadership skills.
DEHog wrote:From the Post Today...Griffin’s contract calls for him to earn $6.7 million this season ($3.3 million base salary, $3.4 million signing bonus). This is the final year of his rookie contract. However, his deal does include an option for a fifth season, and the Redskins must pick up that option by May 3. The salary for that fifth year will increase to anywhere from $15 million to $18 million. (The league has yet to set the exact figure). That fifth season would be fully guaranteed, so the Redskins have to be very sure about Griffin before they pull the trigger.
The only thing the fifth-year option is guaranteed for is injury. That’s where the Griffin conundrum lies. If Washington were to pick up Griffin’s fifth-year option this offseason and he proceeded to produce another disappointing season in 2015, it could cut him before 2016 without being forced to pay him $15 million or so in 2016. If Griffin were to suffer another injury in 2015 that kept him out during the 2016 season, Washington would be stuck footing the bill for Griffin, even if he were unable to play.
Remember, a team can easily still cut any of these players after this upcoming season well before the 2015 salary they are due as part of the option becomes fully guaranteed next March.
It's basically an option to have an option if you think about it. It gives any of these teams the right to either extend, release or renegotiate with these players next January or February—while having all of the control. There's no reason not to pick it up unless the player has been a huge disappointment or the team doesn't even want to take on the very small risk that a player suffers such a devastating injury, that it puts the team on the hook for his 2015 salary.
The fifth-year option is non-negotiable, and the non-compensation terms from a player’s rookie contract will also be included in the fifth-year option.
Many terms allowed in other contracts are prohibited from being added into the fifth-year option. These terms include option bonuses, option exercise fees, option nonexercise fees, option buyouts, or any other compensation that stems from the team exercising or declining the 5th-year option (Sec. 7 (d), 31).
When a team exercises the option, it becomes guaranteed for injury only. If the player is on the team’s opening-day Active/Inactive roster for the option year, his salary becomes fully guaranteed for skill, cap, and injury.
