I'd Trade Griffin

[OldSchool]

I'd trade Griffin if Gruden thinks he's the least suitable to run the offense of the 3 quarterbacks. Maybe Gruden doesn't feel that way and rumors to that effect are unfounded but if he really wants to quit on Griffin I'd trade him for whatever he'd fetch, which probably wouldn't be much. Do you think the Skins could get a serviceable RT or OG for Griffin? Probably not but maybe something useful. Griffin will cost the Skins nearly 6M this season but more importantly valuable reps if Jay is done with him the Skins should let Griffin go for something, anything. I'd love to see them beef up th OL have McCoy and Couisins duel it out behind a better offensive line.

Improving the OL to aid the running game and pass protection would be priority 1 but I would want Gruden to work with QBs he thought had potential to effective in his scheme. I think improving the running game would help whoever was behind center and McCoy or Cousins would probably improve with another half a second to work with, not sure a little extra time would be enough to make a difference for Griffin. So if Gruden wants to throw in the towel on Griffin I'd let him.

[fredp45]

You don't often see trades of players for players but of course, for draft picks. I could see a 3rd or 4th rounder maybe. We could get a center or guard with that pick that could start down the road.

Because no one can argue, we are in a major rebuild -- we MUST look at every personnel decision (especially big salary or big cap hit) with an eye 3 (or so) years down the road and ask -- "Will player A be on our team when we're finally good?"

Also, I want Gruden and Scot M to work together to decide which players will be Redskins...NOT Allen or Snyder or someone else, feeling guilty about what we gave up for someone. That's old news. Lets look to the future and make this team playoff bound!

[Countertrey]

Thing no one would expect to hear:

Putin... "I think I'll annex Crimea"

Apple... "We're introducing the next iPhone"

Dos Eqius guy... "I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis"

OldSchool... "I'd trade Griffin"


The sky is falling?

[OldSchool]

Thing no one would expect to hear:

Putin... "I think I'll annex Crimea"

Apple... "We're introducing the next iPhone"

Dos Eqius guy... "I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis"

OldSchool... "I'd trade Griffin"


The sky is falling?

Fair enough, although I qualify this by saying if Gruden doesn't want him.

[Prowl33]

Although itll never happen... I would too. First yes that 6m will help us...

But maybe more so, he is a cancer to the team. Look at all the negative media he brings. Look at all the coach conflicts between this staff and the current. Also he is a terrible leader. More and more reports come out about how hes closed off to other players and doesnt have their respect. He doesnt have the belief of the locker room any more.

At this point, it would do our team better to get rid of him, so we can focus on rebuilding the skill and the attitude if the team

[riggofan]

Thing no one would expect to hear:

Putin... "I think I'll annex Crimea"

Apple... "We're introducing the next iPhone"

Dos Eqius guy... "I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis"

OldSchool... "I'd trade Griffin"


The sky is falling?

lol. Yeah honestly I'm not sure why this is a new thread. 1) I'm not sure there has been any recent news or rumors that Gruden is ready to completely move on from Griffin. and 2) We're all well aware that OldSchool would trade RGIII tomorrow for a ham sandwich and a pack of Newports.

I don't think I would trade him though for just a 3d or 4th round pick this year. His cap number isn't terrible. Unless you got a really good trade offer, I think risk/reward its probably better to hold onto him for another year.

[DEHog]

Far be it for me to defend Griffin, Snyder, and Allen…but don’t you think topic number 1, 2 and 3 for that matter was that Snyder and Allen hired Gruden to “coach” Griffin?? You know that was the main topic in the interview and Gruden probably sold them on the fact that he was the man who could do so. So you’re telling me that in less than half a season of seeing Griffin play he has already come to that conclusion? Either Griffin is really, really bad or Gruden can’t coach or worst yet, both are true. Read option QB’s were fun while they lasted, I think the jury is in and coaches don’t want them. Mariota stock is falling, Griffin , Kap, Tebow, Manziel, have all struggled Good luck trading Griffin….would you rather take a QB who at best might become a backup or roll the dice on 5th 6th or 7th round guys who might help you on ST??

[SkinsJock]

I don't get to read old school's posts and this thread is a good example ...

Griffin has been a major disappointment but this franchise is not trading him at this time

not worth discussing - Scot & Jay have so many more important issues to handle - Griffin is not available for trade at this time

[DEHog]

I wouldn’t say that they won’t trade him….more like they can’t trade him. The letter that went out was a clear message that they aren’t “married” to RG

[SkinsJock]

You don't often see trades of players for players but of course, for draft picks. I could see a 3rd or 4th rounder maybe. We could get a center or guard with that pick that could start down the road.

Because no one can argue, we are in a major rebuild -- we MUST look at every personnel decision (especially big salary or big cap hit) with an eye 3 (or so) years down the road and ask -- "Will player A be on our team when we're finally good?"

Also, I want Gruden and Scot M to work together to decide which players will be Redskins...NOT Allen or Snyder or someone else, feeling guilty about what we gave up for someone. That's old news. Lets look to the future and make this team playoff bound!

there is no way, at this time that Griffin or Cousins will be traded - while this franchise does not have a really good QB, at this time, these 2 are going to get every chance to grow into the position while we build an offensive line and rebuild our defense

The QB issue may change in the next few months but until then these 2 QBs are going to be given every opportunity to be better QBs

[SkinsJock]

I don't think the letter was a 'clear message' or trying to imply anything - it's a promo deal - get real

with this franchise, one thing is constant - much is read into absolutely nothing

[DEHog]

I don't think the letter was a 'clear message' or trying to imply anything - it's a promo deal - get real

with this franchise, one thing is constant - much is read into absolutely nothing

Which is excatly my point...you know the Redskins had a conversation about this...wouldn't it had just been easier to include him??
And this is RGIII we are talking about!!

[SkinsJock]

I guess I just see it as not including his name as being a non event & no big deal - it's just a promo piece ...

actually, I think that by including his name they would have been making a 'statement' and they did not want to make a big deal of it

[yupchagee]

Thing no one would expect to hear:

Putin... "I think I'll annex Crimea"

Apple... "We're introducing the next iPhone"

Dos Eqius guy... "I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis"

OldSchool... "I'd trade Griffin"


The sky is falling?

No The Earth is rising

[PulpExposure]

I'm honestly shocked, nay dismayed, to learn that Old School would trade Griffin. You really do learn something new every day.

[Kilmer72]

Really? I thought you wanted Robert to succeed. I never thought I would see the day you would want to trade him for a ham sandwich.

[SkinsJock]

actually, not just a ham sandwich ... the pack of Newports, was a big sticking point I understand

we have so many things to address here and the QB issue is a problem but trading Griffin at this time is not a good move

it just is a huge attention getting move that I think will result in a lot of negatives - why do this now?

this franchise needs to have more competition for roster spots and we need to keep guys that can help this franchise

[riggofan]

actually, not just a ham sandwich ... the pack of Newports, was a big sticking point I understand

[welch]

I think of Griffin as a rookie QB. He played a non-NFL offense in college. In 2012, the Shanahans built an offense for his college-talents. They wanted to win now. No training, no special NFL QB coaching. Last season, Griffin played with the brace as he learned on the fly. New coach this season, hurt again, and again he learned in-game.

Other QB's: Sonny Jurgensen, the best modern passer, became great in his fourth or fifth season. Johnny Unitas had a miserable rookie year, and then improved within one of the best teams in football. Bart Starr was a poor QB until Lombardi built an overpowering team around him. Mark Rypien held a clip-board for a season, then slipped into games as Doug Williams got hurt. Rypien took snaps behind the all-time best OL, he threw to Monk/Clark/Sanders/+ .

It seems like Tom Brady hardly ever gets hit or even hurried.

Build an OL for the Redskins. Ignore the "skill positions", and leave Griffin at QB.

[Prowl33]

I think of Griffin as a rookie QB. He played a non-NFL offense in college. In 2012, the Shanahans built an offense for his college-talents. They wanted to win now. No training, no special NFL QB coaching. Last season, Griffin played with the brace as he learned on the fly. New coach this season, hurt again, and again he learned in-game.

Other QB's: Sonny Jurgensen, the best modern passer, became great in his fourth or fifth season. Johnny Unitas had a miserable rookie year, and then improved within one of the best teams in football. Bart Starr was a poor QB until Lombardi built an overpowering team around him. Mark Rypien held a clip-board for a season, then slipped into games as Doug Williams got hurt. Rypien took snaps behind the all-time best OL, he threw to Monk/Clark/Sanders/+ .

It seems like Tom Brady hardly ever gets hit or even hurried.

Build an OL for the Redskins. Ignore the "skill positions", and leave Griffin at QB.

Eh, he's still a selfish diva that alienates himself from the team, never takes responsibility for himself but likes to defer blame to other sources either directly or indirectly. Dont ever see a redskins team rallying around him. That bridge is burnt.

[HogHeaven1983]

Great quote I read in the newspaper recently

"RG3 is the least self-aware person you'll ever meet"

So true -- RGMe is delusional to an extreme. Not someone you want leading your team -- he's just a modern version of Ryan Leaf -- A total bust high draft pick -- and it's truly sad that the Redskins mortgaged their future for him. Geez three 1s and a 2 for this joker -- what a waste.

And to think they could have had Russell Wilson an up and coming superstar with only a 3rd round pick in 2012 (but no, the Redskins HAD TO HAVE Josh Leribeus, OL extraordinaire, who can't even make it on the field with their 3rd rounder in 2012).

I shudder to think about the tons of busts and wasted draft picks over the past 15 years -- so sad and pathetic. Just goes to show how important having a top flight scouting department is to success. Sadly as long as idiot Danny boy Snyder is leading the scouting dept (along with idiot Bruce Allen) -- the redskins are doomed to failure. Tho we do have an alcoholic GM now who has some credentials -- that's who we are all hoping can save the skins now -- I am not optimistic. The redskins are bottom feeders and dysfunctional -- starting at the top. They also have one of the worst coaching staffs I've ever seen in the NFL. This pathetic team is doomed to mediocrity for the new few decades. That's one fact you can totally bank on.

[SkinsJock]

^^ why do you feel the need to grossly exaggerate ... we have issues but it's asinine to suggest that with better management this franchise is "doomed to mediocrity for decades" - you are most definitely not a Redskins fan or even an educated NFL fan

this franchise needs to establish a different culture and they need to give the guys that are now in place the opportunity to rebuild this franchise around the players and coaches that are here - there will be some glitches but to state that this franchise is 'doomed for decades' is just so over the top - you are a troll - bye

btw - why on earth would we have taken Wilson after we took Griffin or are you implying we should have taken Wilson instead of Griffin - who had him rated as a better QB prospect, apart from you - can you imagine how he would have done behind our O line - U R CRAZY

I agree with welch - Scot and the FO just need to find a way to rebuild both lines and then add the players at the skill positions ... if they have not already shown that they can handle those jobs with the new big guys in place

it could take as little as a few years but definitely not over 5 drafts - if these guys cannot turn things around soon they will not be here


Give Griffin a chance to show he's a more effective QB - he's here for crying out loud, let's make sure we know what we're discarding - especially given that it will take time to rebuild everything else here to suit what Jay and Scot have in mind for the franchise

[Countertrey]

Great quote I read in the newspaper recently

"RG3 is the least self-aware person you'll ever meet"

So true -- RGMe is delusional to an extreme. Not someone you want leading your team -- he's just a modern version of Ryan Leaf -- A total bust high draft pick -- and it's truly sad that the Redskins mortgaged their future for him. Geez three 1s and a 2 for this joker -- what a waste.

And to think they could have had Russell Wilson an up and coming superstar with only a 3rd round pick in 2012 (but no, the Redskins HAD TO HAVE Josh Leribeus, OL extraordinaire, who can't even make it on the field with their 3rd rounder in 2012).

I shudder to think about the tons of busts and wasted draft picks over the past 15 years -- so sad and pathetic. Just goes to show how important having a top flight scouting department is to success. Sadly as long as idiot Danny boy Snyder is leading the scouting dept (along with idiot Bruce Allen) -- the redskins are doomed to failure. Tho we do have an alcoholic GM now who has some credentials -- that's who we are all hoping can save the skins now -- I am not optimistic. The redskins are bottom feeders and dysfunctional -- starting at the top. They also have one of the worst coaching staffs I've ever seen in the NFL. This pathetic team is doomed to mediocrity for the new few decades. That's one fact you can totally bank on.

... Because, well... Reality is just so over rated, you know?

[StorminMormon86]

I don't understand how Wilson and Luck are leaps and bounds better than Griffin, and people still want him to remain the starting quarterback going into next year...I really don't get it.

[emoses14]