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[DarthMonk]

Had to do it in their Dez thread:

Easy call. Clearly falling down. Not tripping by Packer DB in any form. He did not stay up because he could not. Else he would have.

He was stumbling off balance. Then the ground jars the ball loose and the writing is on the wall.

All Dez had to do was secure the ball with both hands and land on his hip like a lot of other guys did this weekend.

Instead, he stuck out one hand to break his fall. That same move cost him last year against the Giants when a finger on his off hand touched OB before his butt hit.

Unlike the PI flag that was picked up a week ago, it seems every expert agrees on this one.

Q: If it was not a football move what was it?

A: A falling move.

Many on this board saw it correctly and admit it. They are as classy as your coach.

Dez didn't control the ball upon imminent impact with the ground that was unavoidably part of his attempt to make a catch.

Bummer.

[DarthMonk]

They started a favorite moment thread:



and

[TexasCowboy]

[quote="DarthMonk"]They started a favorite moment thread:




He did maintain possession through out for starters,
second...3 steps is considered a football move and
was attempting to stretch out for a touchdown

the question here is?

Did the ball break the goal line
before his knee hit?

personally I say no it didn't
however, it should not have
prevented Dallas from a first
and goal at around the 2 yard
line

[DarthMonk]

They started a favorite moment thread:




He did maintain possession through out for starters,
second...3 steps is considered a football move and
was attempting to stretch out for a touchdown

the question here is?

Did the ball break the goal line
before his knee hit?

personally I say no it didn't
however, it should not have
prevented Dallas from a first
and goal at around the 2 yard
line

Your post indicates a lack of understanding of the rule.

Upon high-pointing the ball, Dez was doomed to go to the ground. It was unavoidable. Therefore, he did EXACTLY what the rule describes thusly - "a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass" which makes all talk of a football move moot. He never became a runner. He was always a stumbling faller.

Why not just run in? Because he couldn't. He was falling from the moment he high-pointed the ball. People say "falling" and "stumbling" are not in the rule. Duh. The rule book is not a thesaurus. The writers of the rule chose an all-encompassing phrase for all the synonyms of "falling" and "stumbling" while trying to secure a reception. They decided on "a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass."

If he had simply kept both hands on it and landed on his ass he'd have maintained control upon impact and the 'Boys woulda had first and goal. A similar mistake cost him a catch in the back of the end zone last year when he took a hand off the ball to break his "fall" and put a pinky OB before his butt hit the ground.

This call was so easy, I made it live from my sofa.

Bummer

[Deadskins]

He did maintain possession through out for starters

He clearly did not.

[TexasCowboy]

They started a favorite moment thread:




He did maintain possession through out for starters,
second...3 steps is considered a football move and
was attempting to stretch out for a touchdown

the question here is?

Did the ball break the goal line
before his knee hit?

personally I say no it didn't
however, it should not have
prevented Dallas from a first
and goal at around the 2 yard
line

Your post indicates a lack of understanding of the rule.

Upon high-pointing the ball, Dez was doomed to go to the ground. It was unavoidable. Therefore, he did EXACTLY what the rule describes thusly - "a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass" which makes all talk of a football move moot. He never became a runner. He was always a stumbling faller.

Why not just run in? Because he couldn't. He was falling from the moment he high-pointed the ball. People say "falling" and "stumbling" are not in the rule. Duh. The rule book is not a thesaurus. The writers of the rule chose an all-encompassing phrase for all the synonyms of "falling" and "stumbling" while trying to secure a reception. They decided on "a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass."

If he had simply kept both hands on it and landed on his ass he'd have maintained control upon impact and the 'Boys woulda had first and goal. A similar mistake cost him a catch in the back of the end zone last year when he took a hand off the ball to break his "fall" and put a pinky OB before his butt hit the ground.

This call was so easy, I made it live from my sofa.

Bummer

at some point he would have went to the ground, it does not mean...
that upon catching the ball and then trying to advance himself to
score

Fails to indicate he never had actual possession even when he
did actually hit the turf.

bad call IMO

[Deadskins]

bad call IMO

Yes, but they got it right after further review.

[TexasCowboy]

bad call IMO

Yes, but they got it right after further review.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/blue-star/Even-The-Packer-Covering-Dez-Bryant-Says-It-Was-A-Catch-289584231.html

actually they got it wrong

[DEHog]

The fact he “made’ the catch is not the debate…it’s the interpretation of the rule. I honestly don’t understand any arguments with this call. This play is exactly why the NFL initiated this rule, so that the refs didn’t have to determine if a “football move” was made. I keep hearing that argument, it doesn’t matter if he made 1 or 100 football moves (while falling). He fell to the ground in the process of making the catch and didn’t maintain possession thought-out that process …no catch. I don’t like the rule but it was the right call. Just like it was the right call when RG lost the ball before he broke the plane in the Giants game.

Simple question....why did Dez fall?

[TexasCowboy]

The fact he “made’ the catch is not the debate…it’s the interpretation of the rule. I honestly don’t understand any arguments with this call. This play is exactly why the NFL initiated this rule, so that the refs didn’t have to determine if a “football move” was made. I keep hearing that argument, it doesn’t matter if he made 1 or 100 football moves (while falling). He fell to the ground in the process of making the catch and didn’t maintain possession thought-out that process …no catch. I don’t like the rule but it was the right call. Just like it was the right call when RG lost the ball before he broke the plane in the Giants game.

Simple question....why did Dez fall?

Let the video evidence answer

He fell? because he tripped over the defender after he
had made the catch

* ruling he is down by contact at that point

the ball did not move until after he hit
the ground

* Ruling - the ground can not cause the
fumble in this case

the catch it's self is non disputable

* Dez clearly caught it and began
taking steps (4) to be exact in the
hopes of perhaps a going ahead TD

there is nothing that changes the
fact, the defender covering Dez
on the play himself said

That it was a catch and should
have been ruled just that.....

not to turn this into a conspiracy
theory

But, it's awe full hard to not call
it 1, when the bookies who set
this games point spread at 5.5
I believe

weren't looking to lose money
on the game and GB just happens
to win by the point spread of 5
points


Sounds like a screw job to me folks

[DEHog]

He fell? Because he tripped over the defender after he had made the catch

Glad you can finally admit it…it doesn’t matter how he fell. Look at it this way… if a receiver goes up and makes a catch is then is hit and falls to the ground, his knee hits first (which means he’s technically down)…doesn’t he still have to maintain possession according to the rule?

Ruling he is down by contact at that point

Ref got it wrong…happens all the time

The ball did not move until after he hit the ground
Ruling - the ground cannot cause the fumble in this case

Not about a fumble it’s about possession Calvin Johnson rolled over on his butt while possessing the ball….but he didn’t maintain possession all the way through.

The catch it's self is non disputable

And yet is was!!

Dez clearly caught it and began taking steps (4) to be exact in the hopes of perhaps a going ahead TD

I always thought it was a joke that Cowboys fans couldn’t count…not sure how you got to four steps??

There is nothing that changes the fact, the defender covering Dez on the play himself said
That it was a catch and should have been ruled just that.....

So... a lot of others think it wasn’t

Not to turn this into a conspiracy theory But, it's awe full hard to not call it 1, when the bookies who set
this games point spread at 5.5 I believe weren't looking to lose money on the game and GB just happens
to win by the point spread of 5 points

Well just did turn it into a conspiracy and if you believe that then why would you even argue the point??

[TexasCowboy]

He fell? Because he tripped over the defender after he had made the catch

Glad you can finally admit it…it doesn’t matter how he fell. Look at it this way… if a receiver goes up and makes a catch is then is hit and falls to the ground, his knee hits first (which means he’s technically down)…doesn’t he still have to maintain possession according to the rule?

It does matter, you do realize? that either way unless he falls
on his own unassisted, the ruling is contact was made thus
he is down by contact

now if he falls on his own there is a different story
however that is not the case here

Ref got it wrong…happens all the time

thank you the ref did get it wrong even the defender covering
Bryant said he made the catch

Not about a fumble it’s about possession Calvin Johnson rolled over on his butt while possessing the ball….but he didn’t maintain possession all the way through.

the ball only became free after the knee was down and the play was over

And yet is was!!

the point is it shouldn't have been

I always thought it was a joke that Cowboys fans couldn’t count…not sure how you got to four steps??

it's called counting his steps after the fact, if there was a miss count on
the 4th step in question...fine, but remember it only takes 3 steps in
order for it to be considered a football move and I think we can all
agree he did cover those 3 steps

So... a lot of others think it wasn’t

Sorry but those who can't think for themselves really isn't
a good argument for you

Well just did turn it into a conspiracy and if you believe that then why would you even argue the point??

To late it all ready is....and the reason to argue? is to let the truth be told
something you have yet to get too

[DarthMonk]

bad call IMO

Yes, but they got it right after further review.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/blue-star/Even-The-Packer-Covering-Dez-Bryant-Says-It-Was-A-Catch-289584231.html

actually they got it wrong

All this link does is identify another person who does not understand the rule.

Kinda funny.

Notice how when they DO get it wrong, they either fess up or multiple experts disagree.

All the experts seem to agree on this one. That's because it is an extremely straightforward application of the rule.

It's amazing how difficult some people find it to come to grips with the gist of this rule.

... and to contradict this claim (which should nail the coffin shut) ...

now if he falls on his own there is a different story
however that is not the case here

I offer this:

Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or
without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting
the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.

[DEHog]

It does matter, you do realize? that either way unless he falls on his own unassisted, the ruling is contact was made thus he is down by contact

No not in the case of catching a football (if Dez maintains possession then he is down by contact)…this is why you see defenders do everything they can…they know the rule and coaches coach it!!

Thank you the ref did get it wrong even the defender covering Bryant said he made the catch

Ref on the field got it wrong review ref got it right…

The ball only became free after the knee was down and the play was overIt’s called counting his steps after the fact, if there was a miss count on the 4th step in question...fine, but remember it only takes 3 steps in order for it to be considered a football move and I think we can allagree he did cover those 3 steps

This is the point you’re not getting…the knee, elbow, butt, (in the Calvin Johnson case) mean nothing if you don’t maintain possession!!
I see two and he’s falling during the first

Sorry but those who can't think for themselves really isn't a good argument for you

Are you saying Mike Pereira can’t think for himself??

To late it already is....and the reason to argue? is to let the truth be told something you have yet to get too

My point is if it’s true then the catch doesn’t matter the refs would have saw too it that the Packers scored a TD on their next possession or better yet we would have had a couple of penalties on the Cowboys and they wouldn’t have scored at all!!!

[DarthMonk]

If a WR grabs a pass, has his balance, and gets 2 feet down, he then has the ability to make the so-called "football move." If he is then hit and goes to the ground and loses control of the ball, the call cannot be "incomplete pass."

But if a WR grabs a pass and starts going to the ground because he can't stop it from happening, then he is going to the ground in the process of making the catch, all talk of a football move is moot, and if he loses control of the ball the call is "incomplete."

The latter is exactly what happened.

Even if a guy does have his balance (and Dez clearly did not) a defender can hit him and cause him to go to the ground in the process of making the catch if he hits him before the second foot lands of even after if the so-called "football move" has not been made.

Your only possible argument is that Dez had his balance and DECIDED "I'm not gonna just run in, I'm gonna dive."

Of course, that is obviously not what happened. Had he had his balance (he lied and said he did but we can all see he didn't) he would have simply run in.

Shame on him for not simply keeping both big hands on it and securing the catch.

[DarthMonk]

bad call IMO

Yes, but they got it right after further review.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/blue-star/Even-The-Packer-Covering-Dez-Bryant-Says-It-Was-A-Catch-289584231.html

actually they got it wrong

All this link does is identify another person who does not understand the rule.

Kinda funny.

Notice how when they DO get it wrong, they either fess up or multiple experts disagree.

All the experts seem to agree on this one. That's because it is an extremely straightforward application of the rule.

It's amazing how difficult some people find it to come to grips with the gist of this rule.

... and to contradict this claim (which should nail the coffin shut) ...

now if he falls on his own there is a different story
however that is not the case here

I offer this:

Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or
without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting
the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.

[DEHog]

If a WR grabs a pass, has his balance, and gets 2 feet down, he then has the ability to make the so-called "football move." If he is then hit and goes to the ground and loses control of the ball, the call cannot be "incomplete pass."

But if a WR grabs a pass and starts going to the ground because he can't stop it from happening, then he is going to the ground in the process of making the catch, all talk of a football move is moot, and if he loses control of the ball the call is "incomplete."

The latter is exactly what happened.

Even if a guy does have his balance (and Dez clearly did not) a defender can hit him and cause him to go to the ground in the process of making the catch if he hits him before the second foot lands of even after if the so-called "football move" has not been made.

Your only possible argument is that Dez had his balance and DECIDED "I'm not gonna just run in, I'm gonna dive."

Of course, that is obviously not what happened. Had he had his balance (he lied and said he did but we can all see he didn't) he would have simply run in.

Shame on him for not simply keeping both big hands on it and securing the catch.

Very well explained and is exactly what happened.

[TexasCowboy]

People so blinded by their obsessed "hate" will never see this clearly,
in the eyes of those unable to think for themselves

this is the correct call

Those who study far more closely...

not only see it as a catch the correct
call..but see it as more evidence how
corrupt sports actually is

[DEHog]

People so blinded by their obsessed "hate" will never see this clearly,
in the eyes of those unable to think for themselves

this is the correct call

Those who study far more closely...

not only see it as a catch the correct
call..but see it as more evidence how
corrupt sports actually is

Please educate me on the corruption....BTW that player could be wearing burgundy and gold and it could have been in the SB and I would have the same opinion!!

You homerism is much > my hate!!

[DarthMonk]

People so blinded by their obsessed "hate" will never see this clearly,
in the eyes of those unable to think for themselves

this is the correct call

Those who study far more closely...

not only see it as a catch the correct
call..but see it as more evidence how
corrupt sports actually is

^^ denial

[TexasCowboy]

People so blinded by their obsessed "hate" will never see this clearly,
in the eyes of those unable to think for themselves

this is the correct call

Those who study far more closely...

not only see it as a catch the correct
call..but see it as more evidence how
corrupt sports actually is

^^ denial

anyone who has half a brain see's
he made the catch

Those who are spoon fed, will just
anyone else's word for it cause
again we see people unable to
think for themselves

[TexasCowboy]

People so blinded by their obsessed "hate" will never see this clearly,
in the eyes of those unable to think for themselves

this is the correct call

Those who study far more closely...

not only see it as a catch the correct
call..but see it as more evidence how
corrupt sports actually is

Please educate me on the corruption....BTW that player could be wearing burgundy and gold and it could have been in the SB and I would have the same opinion!!

You homerism is much > my hate!!

This is about?? a call they got wrong, there is no
homerism, denial, or anything else you wish to
try and paint

if there had been no catch?? then fine it is
what it is...but the fact is this is a catch
plan and simple

And I don't say it because I am a fan
of the team who happened to lose

I say it

because what is unfair is unfair
call it straight down the middle
no impartiality

[DarthMonk]

^^^ We all are at least 99.9% sure you will never change your mind and it is obvious you are simply selectively ignoring facts.

Your only argument is not even an argument. You simply say anyone with eyes can see it is a catch and you are simply wrong in you assessment.

You should hope Dez learns from his mistake and doesn't cost himself more crucial catches in the future by failing to keep both hands on the ball.



#shrug

[TexasCowboy]

^^^ We all are at least 99.9% sure you will never change your mind and it is obvious you are simply selectively ignoring facts.

Your only argument is not even an argument. You simply say anyone with eyes can see it is a catch and you are simply wrong in you assessment.

You should hope Dez learns from his mistake and doesn't cost himself more crucial catches in the future by failing to keep both hands on the ball.



#shrug

I've ignored nothing regarding this matter but you keep right on believing the lie
cause it's all you got to cling to

[DarthMonk]

^^^ We all are at least 99.9% sure you will never change your mind and it is obvious you are simply selectively ignoring facts.

Your only argument is not even an argument. You simply say anyone with eyes can see it is a catch and you are simply wrong in you assessment.

You should hope Dez learns from his mistake and doesn't cost himself more crucial catches in the future by failing to keep both hands on the ball.



#shrug

I've ignored nothing regarding this matter but you keep right on believing the lie
cause it's all you got to cling to

Yeah, well, other than the rule book and the fact that Dez was off balance the moment he landed I guess you're pretty much correct ... and I'm the one clinging ...