Joe who? Joe Barry is our new DC

[Redskin in Canada]

2 things...1)this is bleacher report. It's written by fans.

At worst, a fan writer as equally uninformed as others here. I get it. Point taken. Agreed.

2) understand that Jay was in Tampa as well so why is this fan who wrote this on bleacher report assuming it was Bruce?

The decision was Gruden's but the decision is communicated and discussed further up. I understand your skepticism and I will provide words from the horse's mouth eventually to show you the support from Bruce for this hire by Jay.

Stop citing it as a source.

You mean to say that I can post or not post a quote from another source if I want to? Just asking in case I need to ask for permission the next time.

How about THREE things? #3 Scot McCloughan said on his very first day that Jay Gruden was responsible for choosing his defensive coordinator. This is such a BS non-issue.

What part of THIS WAS JAY GRUDEN'S decision we have -agreed- you still fail to understand?

If you spent a bit more time READING and COMPREHENDING the information posted, you might get a bit greater insight into what is being posted.

Proof that posting over 5424 and counting times does not ensure a good discussion and exchange of views. To each its own. I do not post for your pleasure, I post because I can.

[riggofan]

What part of THIS WAS JAY GRUDEN'S decision we have -agreed- you still fail to understand?

Great, we're in agreement. So what's your big beef? You're upset that it was Jay's decision but it was "discussed and communicated further up"? So what? You're upset that Bruce approves of the choice?

If you spent a bit more time READING and COMPREHENDING the information posted, you might get a bit greater insight into what is being posted.

Yeah I'm sure that's it. You must be using too many big words for me or something.

I do not post for your pleasure, I post because I can.

Sounds a lot like wanking to me.

[markshark84]

Well something that has to figure in when you hire a first time head coach is who can he bring with him, what coaches does he have connections with? Sorry but Gruden didn’t have a lot as evidence by how many assistants he retained. Now look at the DC selection, he had to reach for a position coach he worked with in the past or take a guy who was out of work. Why do you think Fox got Fangio and we didn’t…the spoils of hiring a first time head coach. If you think coaches don’t gravitate to who they know you’re crazy…the good ole boy network is alive and well in the NFL!!

Totally agree on this. The only problem for us is that Gruden is only associated with loser franchises in the NFL. Perhaps he should have reached out to one of his old arena league guys.....

[Redskin in Canada]

Yeah I'm sure that's it. You must be using too many big words for me or something.

Pretty plain basic English language but I understand that the long losing Redskins streak over the last decade and a half may have left psychological effects on some posters more than on others.

Peace brother

[fredp45]

Now now boys...years of losing has made us awfully grumpy!!!

None of us knew Joe Barry before he got hired, who cares? For those around when Joe Gibbs was hired, NONE of us knew him either.

Certainly NOT comparing Joe Barry and Joe Gibbs, but to assume Barry sucks because you don't know him is crazy.

Jay has to find guys he's comfortable with, I hope that Scot was serious when he said, it was Jay's choice. IT should be.

If we get better players (Scot's job) we'll be good -- period!

[riggofan]

Yeah I'm sure that's it. You must be using too many big words for me or something.

Pretty plain basic English language but I understand that the long losing Redskins streak over the last decade and a half may have left psychological effects on some posters more than on others.

I won't even deny that. They do say the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

Peace brother

[DEHog]

For those around when Joe Gibbs was hired, NONE of us knew him either.

He was only the OC of Air Coryell!!!

[riggofan]

For those around when Joe Gibbs was hired, NONE of us knew him either.

He was only the OC of Air Coryell!!!

I like Fred's optimism about the new DC. My issue with the hire isn't that he had the bad Detroit defense or that he's a Tampa connection or whatever. I just don't believe the defense is going to be significantly better in 2015 no matter who the DC is. If we'd hired Phillips or even Fangio, I think people would have shown those guys a little more patience while they rebuild the defense. They both have the resumes to stand on which Joe Barry doesn't.

With Barry, I think he's going to be a fan/media whipping boy from day one. What do you think?

[DEHog]

For those around when Joe Gibbs was hired, NONE of us knew him either.

He was only the OC of Air Coryell!!!

I like Fred's optimism about the new DC. My issue with the hire isn't that he had the bad Detroit defense or that he's a Tampa connection or whatever. I just don't believe the defense is going to be significantly better in 2015 no matter who the DC is. If we'd hired Phillips or even Fangio, I think people would have shown those guys a little more patience while they rebuild the defense. They both have the resumes to stand on which Joe Barry doesn't.

With Barry, I think he's going to be a fan/media whipping boy from day one. What do you think?

I think you're spot on and I'd add that Fangio and Wade could do more with less...

[SkinsJock]

I agree with riggofan - the franchise obviously is going to have a big roster change and it will be tough enough for Jay with highly respected co-ordinators - the important thing here is that this is who Jay wanted ... let's try and be a little patient here

Jay Gruden as HC should get the coaching staff and players that he thinks he needs to succeed - his job depends on it

the next part of this huge rebuild is for Scot & Jay to get through free agency and the draft and find a way to bring in as many new players that suit what Jay needs as they can ... I also expect that Scot will be taking a close look at how the college and NFL scouts/talent evaluators do in the coming months and he will then put guys in place that he wants advising and giving him input

we really need to find 4 starters in each draft for the next 3 drafts - good luck with that

having 3 picks in the top 100 doesn't hurt

[riggofan]

I think you're spot on and I'd add that Fangio and Wade could do more with less...

Yeah, maybe or maybe not. But if the defense struggles, you can bet everybody will be saying Fangio/Wade could have done better!

[tribeofjudah]

JOE is cleaning house. He wants to start FRESH ............and frankly, I don't blame him. It's a NEW ERA, relax and wait and see....!!!

Baker not coming back.
Burney not coming back.

New Redskins defensive coordinator Joe Barry is beginning to put his stamp on the team’s coaching staff. Defensive line coach Jacob Burney, who has been with the team since 2010, will not be coming back according to ESPN 980.

The news that Burney will not be back comes a day after we learned that outside linebackers coach Brian Baker will also be joining the ranks of coaches searching for employment. It is not yet known who the candidates are to replace either coach.

Burney was a holdover from the Mike Shanahan years, coming in with the former Broncos coach and recently departed defensive coordinator Jim Haslett in 2010. He had worked as Shanahan’s defensive line coach in Denver from 2002-2008.

http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsbl ... hing-staff

[riggofan]

JOE is cleaning house. He wants to start FRESH ............and frankly, I don't blame him. It's a NEW ERA, relax and wait and see....!!!

Baker not coming back.
Burney not coming back.

Yeah I was just checking out Twitter and it sounds like there is a good chance Raheem Morris isn't coming back either. He's talking with other teams and the Redskins have been talking with other secondary coaches. Stay tuned.

[Prowl33]

Very good to hear. The fact that the guy got owned in detroit doesnt mean hes doomed to failure. People grow a lot in 7 years, plus hes doing a 3-4 this time, and he had Scot pulling in the talent. Plus hopefully new position coaches that know what they are doing.

[SkinsJock]

Very good to hear. The fact that the guy got owned in detroit doesnt mean hes doomed to failure. People grow a lot in 7 years, plus hes doing a 3-4 this time, and he had Scot pulling in the talent. Plus hopefully new position coaches that know what they are doing.

and

there's no rush - having a better product on the field than we had last season is not that hard to do ...

Scot will find some players to help out over the next 3 drafts and the franchise should be getting back into the thick of it again in 2017

[tribeofjudah]

What the Chargers are saying about Barry. I'm sure it's all good politics, right?
I'm willing to give this Barry dude a chance to prove IT...!!!

HOPE remains alive in DC.

“I feel very fortunate to have worked with Joe for the past two seasons,” Chargers head coach Mike McCoy was quoted as saying in the San Diego Union-Tribune. “He’s an outstanding technician and communicator. He gets the most from his players.”

"Washington," McCoy added, "is getting a very good football coach."

Barry was hired by the Redskins on Tuesday after the team took a big swing—but ultimately missed—at an opportunity to hire former 49ers defensive coordinator Vic Fangio. Fangio interviewed in Ashburn over the weekend, but after mulling his options Monday, decided to join John Fox’s staff in Chicago.

Barry, meantime, traveled to the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., with the rest of the Chargers’ coaching staff on Tuesday, according to the Union-Tribune. But by the end of the day, he was a member of the Redskins’ coaching staff. Barry was interviewed by Redskins Coach Jay Gruden and team president Bruce Allen at Redskins Park earlier this month.

“This is a great opportunity for a bright, young, energetic football coach,” Chargers defensive coordinator John Pagano was quoted as saying. “Joe is extremely detailed and organized. He’s demanding on his players, pushing them to excel to their fullest capabilities. The players will love playing for Joe.”

http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsbl ... -joe-barry

[riggofan]

Very good to hear. The fact that the guy got owned in detroit doesnt mean hes doomed to failure. People grow a lot in 7 years, plus hes doing a 3-4 this time, and he had Scot pulling in the talent. Plus hopefully new position coaches that know what they are doing.

and

there's no rush - having a better product on the field than we had last season is not that hard to do ...

I feel the same way, man. The team set the bar pretty low the past two years. 6-10 would be an improvement!!!

[fredp45]

Gibbs may have been the OC, but back then, before social media, NO ONE knew him in DC...I remember when he was hired, the Post was saying a new young guy, blah blah blah. NOT a recycled old coach...like Wade Phillips, Jim Swartz, etc... That is my point.

Give Barry a chance.

[SkinsJock]

The main guys here are Scot as GM and Jay as HC ... these 2 guys know how important it is for the franchise to show some signs of "change in the way things are done here ..." and "any improvement would be a good thing ..."

I think that Scot will be looking to add some new starters through the draft and free agency & Jay just needs to show some 'improvement' - how hard can that be when you need to win 4-6 games and improve defensively from one of the worst defenses in the NFL

this season, nothing really dramatic is expected and unless these coaches are incapable, in which case they will not be here in 2016, we keep building this roster and undergoing a massive change on both sides of the ball

finding 4-5 new starters each year means that of the 22 starters, as many as 15 current starters might be back-ups or not here after 2 more seasons

I think this guy deserves a chance ... wouldn't be the first time that a young guy shows he's got more to give than the 'old school' guys

[welch]

Missed again. The right guy is unsigned. He's only 76. A great defensive coordinator from the George Allen / Jack Pardee / Richie Petibon "coaching tree". Invented the strong safety position. He is, of course: Richie Petibon himself.

Joe Barry????

[Snout]

Gruden must like Barry for some reason. Its his job on the line, so he should get the staff he wants.

I am still scratching my head about why Gruden picked Barry, but I fully agree that Gruden should be free to hire his own staff. Remember when the Redskins hired Jim Zorn as offensive coordinator BEFORE hiring a head coach. That was the dumbest move I think the organization ever made. As captain of the ship, the head coach should be the one to pick all of the coaches.

[Prowl33]

1) Bad Players + Bad Coaches = 3-4 win season and coaches get fired.

2) Good Players + Bad Coaches = A few seasons getting anywhere from 7-10 wins, not winning in playoffs and coaches get fired.

3) Good Players + Good Coaches = Playoff runs and wins every year and super bowl runs.

Last season and previous ones we were #1. Scot will transition us to #2.

Once we hit #2 itll feel weird here firing a coach just cause they cant win us playoff games but still get us winning seasons.

After we pass #2 we will attract coaches that fit into the #3 category.

My point. Barry will do fine transitioning us to where we need to be, as will Gruden and everyone else. Also who knows, some of these coaches might surprise you with the right people building their teams.

[Aireskoi]

Once we hit #2 itll feel weird here firing a coach just cause they cant win us playoff games but still get us winning seasons.

After we pass #2 we will attract coaches that fit into the #3 category.

My point. Barry will do fine transitioning us to where we need to be, as will Gruden and everyone else. Also who knows, some of these coaches might surprise you with the right people building their teams.

That's really the best way of looking at it that I have read anywhere. I have found no comfort in anyone else's rationalization of why or how this could work. My bold rejection of the notion that under-qualified coaching won't matter now that we have Scot is what brought me to this fine establishment.

The hardest pill for me to swallow is that Gruden won't be the coach I was hoping he could be, at least for us. My expectation for him was probably too high, so It has been ratcheted down.

I'm OK with the "might surprise" part also, now that my expectations are more in tune with reality.

[DarthMonk]

Stop making sense!

Nice posts. Captured my feelings very well.

[SkinsJock]

Lots of very good assistant coaches started off badly - Joe Barry is Jay Gruden's choice - let's see how it goes ...

with all the issues the Redskins' defense has, a combination of Petibon, Fangio and Phillips would not have a prayer, if they did not, first of all, get along with their HC, which in this case is Jay Gruden ... Jay Gruden wanted Joe Barry over all those guys ...

get over it and get behind this guy