Scot McCloughan named new GM

[SkinsJock]

OMG - give this kid a break

Scot McCloughan's future here as GM depends on ONLY one thing and that is how he does his job over the next 3 years or more

it does not matter what his alcohol issues are - if Scot is able to build a roster that the HC is able to make successful on the field, the amount of beers that Scot drinks every day or every week just does not matter at all - get real

and it's going to take time to build this roster
let's not look for the quick fix or have the 'win now' mentality that this franchise has been operating under for the past 15 seasons

patience people - this is going to take some time ... if it works at all

[Redskin in Canada]

patience people - this is going to take some time ... if it works at all

WISE statement. This is my last post for a while. So, I will try to make it good.

PATIENCE is indispensable because the bulk of work of a GM can only be judged and qualified through TIME.

SOME TIME is true. No miracles. No quick fixes. Simply put, if every season is better than the last one in results and quality depth, progress is welcome. Some players might be able to contribute immediately, others may need a season or two. The QB position alone poses currently some interesting challenges in terms of the recovery time table.

IF IT WORKS AT ALL? Yep. A great GM simply puts the Skins on a course to obtain AN EVEN KEEL with other teams with already great front offices and a better current base of players. A man ALONE cannot do everything until he brings the organizational changes needed in the Front Office and THOSE organizational changes and restructuring of responsibilities will only be able to begin to take place after the Draft in May 2015. I do not expect a replacement of the current scout guys before the Draft although he might make some small additions between now and the Draft.

I am not concerned as much as some about his inner personal problems. For one, EVEN a good GM with those problems is better than Dan and Bruce running the team by themselves. No, the risk is simply that, due to a number of reasons, he may either not be given the time to succeed or be interfered with in ways that negate his own personal value. The Washington Redskins TEAM (meaning Front Office, staff, coaches and players) compete from top to bottom against better run organizations. The key is not only whether better players can be brought in but whether the BEST and most competent people from our end is better than the BEST and most competent people in other teams at every level. We have suffered the consquences of that horrible situation over the last 16 years. Can THAT PROFOUND change occur and create a new culture in search of excellence? Answer: MAYBE but not easily. We will see.

Eric Schaffer is a Snyder guy. As you know, he negotiates contracts and looks at the cap numbers. He has been instrumental in implementing Snyder's wishes in the past. Interesting man if you wish to know why the Skins were penalized in the cap by the NFL. I suspect that he will stay but will he report to the GM? or will he also report to the President and the Owner as he did in the past?. It will be interesting to follow the (new?) role of Eric and his (new?) responsibilities. This is only one of the positions and potential changes which we must follow IF we want reassurances that Dan and Bruce indeed keep their hands away from the cookie jar.

Roger and out.

[riggofan]

and it's going to take time to build this roster
let's not look for the quick fix or have the 'win now' mentality that this franchise has been operating under for the past 15 seasons

patience people - this is going to take some time ... if it works at all

Well said. +1.

[DEHog]

:shock: OMG - give this kid a break

Scot McCloughan's future here as GM depends on ONLY one thing and that is how he does his job over the next 3 years or more

it does not matter what his alcohol issues are - if Scot is able to build a roster that the HC is able to make successful on the field, the amount of beers that Scot drinks every day or every week just does not matter at all - get real

and it's going to take time to build this roster
let's not look for the quick fix or have the 'win now' mentality that this franchise has been operating under for the past 15 seasons

patience people - this is going to take some time ... if it works at all

Let's hope that's the case because it wasn't with his last two employers. His departure from San Fran and Seattle had nothing to do with how he did his job which by all account he did well!!

[Countertrey]

This is my last post for a while. So, I will try to make it good.

Take care, my friend... We'll look forward to your return.

[SkinsJock]

... This is my last post for a while. So, I will try to make it good.

Roger and out.

be well RiC - get back to us when you can

[SkinsJock]

DEHog - I really think this guy's very aware of the ramifications and more importantly the huge opportunity that he's been given

let's not make a big deal about it - let's just be hopeful that this guy can help fix this very broken franchise

most of us are not really interested in what happened - I'm sure if it was still a concern he wouldn't have had a chance at getting the job

all I'm interested in is seeing this guy get a chance to make this franchise well again - I think he really wants to do well here

[Bishop Hammer]

As noted here yesterday it is going to take a while for McCloughan to build the Redskins the way he wants to. It’s not just a matter of getting good players, it’s a matter of getting the right kind of good players (i.e. big players) and then giving them some time to develop.

Maybe not he said the Redskins are > 9ers when he got there

I'm all for McCloughan being here but I doubt he's going to say the team completely blows, from head to toe and it'll take at least half a decade (if were lucky) to fix. But I could be wrong and in two years time The Redskins are in the playoffs.

[DEHog]

DEHog - I really think this guy's very aware of the ramifications and more importantly the huge opportunity that he's been given

let's not make a big deal about it - let's just be hopeful that this guy can help fix this very broken franchise

most of us are not really interested in what happened - I'm sure if it was still a concern he wouldn't have had a chance at getting the job

all I'm interested in is seeing this guy get a chance to make this franchise well again - I think he really wants to do well here

I would think that’s the case as well…I’m just pointing out by all accounts he did well in San Fran and Seattle yet still ended up losing his job. Success can be just as difficult to deal as failure…some times more so!!

[SkinsJock]

OK - I'll buy that, but in both places you mention he did not have the 'job' that he's going to have here and by the time he's dealing with "success" nobody's going to fire him for making this franchise into a competitive unit again - it's going to take years and a lot of work ...

if he can even manage to do that - I doubt he'll be wanting to 'toast to anything good' here for at least 3 years

[Prowl33]

OK - I'll buy that, but in both places you mention he did not have the 'job' that he's going to have here and by the time he's dealing with "success" nobody's going to fire him for making this franchise into a competitive unit again - it's going to take years and a lot of work ...

if he can even manage to do that - I doubt he'll be wanting to 'toast to anything good' here for at least 3 years

My worry isnt how good of a job he will do. I think he will do great. I want Scot here for 10+ years. I just hope that whatever caused him and san fran then him and Seattle to split doesnt happen here. The media out here is brutal too and im sure would want nothing more than to break some big story or turn nothing into something.

[DEHog]

OK - I'll buy that, but in both places you mention he did not have the 'job' that he's going to have here and by the time he's dealing with "success" nobody's going to fire him for making this franchise into a competitive unit again - it's going to take years and a lot of work ...

if he can even manage to do that - I doubt he'll be wanting to 'toast to anything good' here for at least 3 years

"The job" Not sure what you mean he was the GM is San Fran, but not Seattle....Nobody in those places fired him either...I'm thinking it was a self destruction thing.
Both places didn't want to lose him, so there is some risk with this hire. High risk High reward!!

[riggofan]

As noted here yesterday it is going to take a while for McCloughan to build the Redskins the way he wants to. It’s not just a matter of getting good players, it’s a matter of getting the right kind of good players (i.e. big players) and then giving them some time to develop.

Maybe not he said the Redskins are > 9ers when he got there

I'm all for McCloughan being here but I doubt he's going to say the team completely blows, from head to toe and it'll take at least half a decade (if were lucky) to fix. But I could be wrong and in two years time The Redskins are in the playoffs.

You know I heard that comment about the 49ers v. Redskins the other day and had the same reaction. Sounded like massive B.S. to me. Tandler just put up a really good side by side comparison of the teams though that is worth checking out. I wouldn't say the Redskins are WAY better than SF was when he took over, but it wasn't an unfair statement. Its easy to forget how bad SF was over that stretch. And weirdly I think we probably have slightly better QBs. lol.

How do these Redskins compare to the 49ers that McCloughan took over?
http://realredskins.com/2015/01/11/how- ... took-over/

The first glance tells you that these are two pretty bad football teams. Neither ranked in the top 10 in anything listed here. Mostly they were well below average. We don’t want to get too much into the weeds on analyzing the numbers here but they do show that the ’14 Redskins were probably a bit better than the ’04 Niners but both had well-deserved poor records.

How about the players? Tim Rattay and Ken Dorsey split the snaps at quarterback. They combined for a sub-mediocre passer rating of 69.9. Last year Kirk Cousins, Robert Griffin III, and Colt McCoy combined for an 88.8 passer rating. While the futures of all three of the Redskins QB’s are up in the air, they are probably will have better careers than Dorsey and Rattay.

At running back, Alfred Morris is better than Kevan Barlow. On their worst days, ’14 Redskins wide receivers Pierre Garçon and DeSean Jackson can run circles around Cedrick Wilson and Brandon Lloyd, the leading wide receivers for those 49ers. Neither offensive line was anything to write home about but that 49ers team didn’t have anyone as good as Trent Williams, who has been named to three straight Pro Bowls.

49ers defensive tackle Bryant Young was still starting but past his prime while future Redskins defensive end Andre Carter was injured for about half of the season. Nobody came close to matching the 13.5 sacks that Ryan Kerrigan posted this year; end John Engelberger led the ’04 49ers in sacks with six. Neither secondary had a standout player.

I’m not sure that this Redskins team is “much” better than that 49ers team, as McCloughan said but it does appear that the ’14 Redskins are a bit further away than rock bottom than the ’04 49ers were. McCloughan probably does have a few more effective players to work with than he did 10 years ago.. But he still has his work cut out for him.

It doesn't mean a lot. We all know our organization is as much of a problem or more than our players. But for those of us feeling hopeless or wondering how long it might take to get this team to respectability, looking at where SM started with the 49ers is encouraging at least.

[DEHog]

Reguardless of the players the 9ers didn't win until Harbaugh got there....Is Gruden our Harboaugh??

[SkinsJock]

DE Hog - we are a mess and in all honesty, it's going to take a lot of time to make well again

I just think that this kid has to be better for this franchise than continuing in the direction we've been heading

hopefully they let him do his thing for a few years - IMO it would be hard not to make a lot of things better here and he'll look like a hero

[DEHog]

DE Hog - we are a mess and in all honesty, it's going to take a lot of time to make well again

I just think that this kid has to be better for this franchise than continuing in the direction we've been heading

hopefully they let him do his thing for a few years - IMO it would be hard not to make a lot of things better here and he'll look like a hero

Agreed and this is what the fan base, media and every football pundit has wanted/suggested, so we should be slow to criticize and patient with the results.

[SkinsJock]

^^ true dat - hopefully 'the new guy' is given the time and authority to both get a feeling for what he needs to do and then to bring in the staff, coaches and players to help accomplish what we all want here

I agree that there are concerns but we need to head in a different direction and I'm sure that there will be an undue amount of scrutiny for this guy to handle let alone just do his job

it's going to take time and I'm not sure anyone in the DC area has much patience anyway or is willing to wait for things to get better, PLUS there are so many examples of franchises that turned it around quickly ....

[OldSchool]

I am sure we ALL agree we want Snyder to totally stay away from football operations. To have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with drafting, trading and retaining players, who starts, what plays get called or any other part of the management of the roster. We'd all like Scot and Allen to handle it for him. The question is will he or can he stay out of it? On a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being Snyder is briefed after the fact but REALLY has nothing to do with football operations and 10 Snyder uses Allen and Scot like sock puppets while he micro managements the team I think the lowest degree of involvement Snyder can maintain for any length of time is 8, it was probably 9 when he fired Marty for taking charge. He might be able to suppress the urge for awhile and force himself down to 7 or maybe 6 for a while the first year but the Redskins are his fantasy team and it seems to me that Snyder would rather fail while at the wheel than succeed sitting in the backseat reading the paper. What do you really think, not hope, really think it will be going forward now that Scot is on board 1-10?

[DEHog]

I think riggofan put it best..LOL

In September we'll be calling for RGIII to be benched. In October we'll be demanding that Gruden is fired. In late November, fans will be suggesting Scot McGloughan is back on the sauce and has to go. And in December, it will all be Snyder's fault again.

Life as a modern Redskins fan.

[riggofan]

What do you really think, not hope, really think it will be going forward now that Scot is on board 1-10?

I've never bought this idea that Snyder is just going to kick back and count his dollars leaving other guys to completely run the team. (And I don't believe that EVERY successful team in the NFL operates that way.) Its his team, he bought it, what's the fun in that anyway?

I think/hope Snyder's involvement would be at like a 3 or 4 on your scale. Maybe he's sitting in meetings with the football guys, aware of what's going on but he's not casting a vote on players. They're spending his money, after all, so he should want to feel comfortable the GM knows what he is doing and has a good plan. He has a knack for closing the deal with free agents, so maybe he's involved sometimes with meeting those players, pitching them on coming to play.

I don't know. I'm sure some people want less involvement than what I've described, but that feels like a realistic guess to me.

[riggofan]

I think riggofan put it best..LOL

In September we'll be calling for RGIII to be benched. In October we'll be demanding that Gruden is fired. In late November, fans will be suggesting Scot McGloughan is back on the sauce and has to go. And in December, it will all be Snyder's fault again.

Life as a modern Redskins fan.

LOL. Man I am so ready to be proven wrong!

[Irn-Bru]

I'm all for McCloughan being here but I doubt he's going to say the team completely blows, from head to toe and it'll take at least half a decade (if were lucky) to fix. But I could be wrong and in two years time The Redskins are in the playoffs.

Half a decade? That's way too conservative. Five seasons ago, the Seahawks were 5-11 and a total mess. McCloughan, who built the team that's dominated the last two years (and looked scary the year before that) hadn't even been hired. A lot happens in five NFL seasons.

Plus, I think he's right that this team is nowhere near the situation the '05 49ers were in, talent-wise. The Niners were undoubtedly the worst team in the league the year before—historically bad, really. We've got a lot more to work with in terms of a foundation.

[SkinsJock]

To a certain extent Scot's description of this roster have to be taken with a grain of salt ...

I'd agree with FFA in that I think that there's likely a good number of young players here that they can build around and while the most important thing is to find a good QB we really don't need to have that guy on board right now and we can build an offensive line

I don't expect it to take a lot of years but I think that we should see a lot better product on the field in 2017 if this kid is allowed to make a plan and follow it - I know that Dan is going to want to be a part of the process and while Scot IMO is not a 'yes man' he does work for Dan Snyder and has to give him some respect - I just hope that Dan realizes he knows nothing and try to stay away from the player acquisition as much as he can

Dan can help this organization best by doing absolutely nothing - he will not be able to do that - we all know that

I'm excited about the possibility of this kid over time, putting a better FO together and Dan Snyder hopefully minimizing his involvement

[OldSchool]

What do you really think, not hope, really think it will be going forward now that Scot is on board 1-10?

I've never bought this idea that Snyder is just going to kick back and count his dollars leaving other guys to completely run the team. (And I don't believe that EVERY successful team in the NFL operates that way.) Its his team, he bought it, what's the fun in that anyway?

I think/hope Snyder's involvement would be at like a 3 or 4 on your scale. Maybe he's sitting in meetings with the football guys, aware of what's going on but he's not casting a vote on players. They're spending his money, after all, so he should want to feel comfortable the GM knows what he is doing and has a good plan. He has a knack for closing the deal with free agents, so maybe he's involved sometimes with meeting those players, pitching them on coming to play.

I don't know. I'm sure some people want less involvement than what I've described, but that feels like a realistic guess to me.

I would love it if Snyder could keep it down to a 3 or a 4 I just think he's wired to be a 9-10 and it would take a real energy to restrain himself and than he wouldn't enjoy himself.

[DarthMonk]

What do you really think, not hope, really think it will be going forward now that Scot is on board 1-10?

I honestly think that ON DRAFT DAY he will be a 1.

He will almost have to be more involved when it comes to signing people.