Offensive scheme, Gruden, or oline

[riggofan]

Who do you blame for Gruden NOT running D Young on short and goal situations??? He didnt get the fn memo???

lol. I don't. We've been so bad overall, I just haven't found it necessary to get irate over what play Gruden called at the goal line that one time.

Misplaced? Na. I know our players short comings as do you.. seems that Gruden might not know what us armchair coaches do is whats troubling. AlAfred should be a BIG part of our game plan. They couldnt stop AP when they knew he was getting it.. cant stop Demarco..

I don't know man. I watched the Rams game the other day and it looked like they were trying to get Alf going, but the Rams were shutting him down. I don't know how many times we were facing second and 10+ after Morris got stuffed at the line or blown up in the backfield.

[emoses14]

Actually not trying to be flip, but the answer is "yes."

[SkinsJock]

Like others have pointed out - we're a 3 win team - everything and everyone is at fault

I think that Jay Gruden will be back and do well here - he just needs some help from his players and his coaching staff

hopefully the people that make the decisions on the coaches and players can start putting things together here

recent history points to a failure to make good decisions - we need to change the way we do things and who does those things

[yupchagee]

Like others have pointed out - we're a 3 win team - everything and everyone is at fault

I think that Jay Gruden will be back and do well here - he just needs some help from his players and his coaching staff

hopefully the people that make the decisions on the coaches and players can start putting things together here

recent history points to a failure to make good decisions - we need to change the way we do things and who does those things

I think that person is the HC.

[SkinsJock]

Like others have pointed out - we're a 3 win team - everything and everyone is at fault

I think that Jay Gruden will be back and do well here - he just needs some help from his players and his coaching staff

hopefully the people that make the decisions on the coaches and players can start putting things together here

recent history points to a failure to make good decisions - we need to change the way we do things and who does those things

I think that person is the HC.

well, not exactly ... If we were to get a new GM that has the power to be a real GM, he would be in charge of all hires - he might decide that Jay Gruden should stay and he would then work with Jay in putting together a coaching staff - Jay would certainly indicate who he wants and the GM would most likely go along with that .. but ... normally the GM has the final say, not the HC

the thing here is that we have a guy in Bruce Allen that is not a really good personnel guy, that is not his strong suit

Bruce Allen is not standing up against Dan Snyder, he helps but he is not doing what a real GM with full authority should do

one of the 'issues' we have is that we do not know what Jay Gruden thinks is the possibility of Griffin becoming a good NFL QB here - if Jay Gruden does not really want to keep RG3, then we should cut him - If we get a real GM, he would/could make that happen OR he could decide he needs a different HC and that guy may also not want to keep Griffin, but that is how it should be

If we keep Bruce Allen, he (and Snyder) look like they may decide to keep RG3 and that is not good for either Gruden or RG3

This franchise needs a GM with full authority - unfortunately, that is not likely = more of the same BS

[brad7686]

Teams aren't going to respect us as a pocket passing team since we don't have the personnel to run it. We were a playoff team a few years ago with relatively similar people, because these guys are mostly undersized retreads made to fit Shanny's system. If they know we can't pass block, they are going to stack the box and take away the run. Therefore, we can't run or pass the way things are currently set up. In order to utilize a pocket qb, there has to be a pocket. The only offense we have is when we occasionally block for 3 seconds and can take advantage of Desean facing one on one matchups. Nothing Gruden or any of the qb's do can help this offense right now, it is what it is. Blame is useless, since the situation can't be improved. The only thing we can do is take advantage of teams that can't pass rush. I don't think Bob is electric enough anymore to pull off the zone read, which would be our only recourse.

[SkinsJock]

Thanks brad - as stupid as I am, I think that I and some others here already knew most of this ...

what we have and what we are as a team is 3-10 - no matter what the make up is of the franchise right now with coaching and with the players, it does not get any better unless we have a GM with a plan and the authority to make the moves needed to make that plan work

we are in a huge mess and we will continue to be, no matter who the coaches or players are - IF WE DON'T GET A REAL GM

we can hypothesize all we want - it means nothing if we don't change the way we do things here

[SkinsJock]

I love posting things over and over like a broken record ...

[SkinsJock]

I saw something on BR - Bleecher Report - where some idiot said there are only 3 things we need to do ...

1 - get rid of RG3

2 - find a good SS

3 - solidify the O line

now that makes me feel pretty good - I mean these people are idiots ... anyone that thinks we are that close to making things better here without getting a new GM is just not very in touch with what is going on here

it does not matter what players we add or who the coaches are here - the first thing that needs to happen is to bring in someone with a plan and the authority to make that plan work

we don't need a QB, we don't need a SS, we don't need a great O line - we need a plan and a man to implement that plan

[yupchagee]

Thanks brad - as stupid as I am, I think that I and some others here already knew most of this ...

what we have and what we are as a team is 3-10 - no matter what the make up is of the franchise right now with coaching and with the players, it does not get any better unless we have a GM with a plan and the authority to make the moves needed to make that plan work

we are in a huge mess and we will continue to be, no matter who the coaches or players are - IF WE DON'T GET A REAL GM

we can hypothesize all we want - it means nothing if we don't change the way we do things here

We've had several GM's as well as coaches, QB's etc. there has been only 1 constant through this misery, & we all know who that is.

[riggofan]

we don't need a QB, we don't need a SS, we don't need a great O line - we need a plan and a man to implement that plan

I'll happily keep Bruce Allen if we can get a QB, a SS and a great o line.

[riggofan]

The only thing we can do is take advantage of teams that can't pass rush. I don't think Bob is electric enough anymore to pull off the zone read, which would be our only recourse.

I don't know if RGIII is electric or not, but defenses have figured out the zone read for the most part. Gruden was asked in his press conference the other day if Griffin would be playing better in a different offense. His response was something like, "What offense is that?" I think his point is that nobody is running that 2012 Kyle offense anymore successfully. QB has to be able to stand in the pocket and make throws.

[SkinsJock]

Teams aren't going to respect us as a pocket passing team since we don't have the personnel to run it. We were a playoff team a few years ago with relatively similar people, because these guys are mostly undersized retreads made to fit Shanny's system. If they know we can't pass block, they are going to stack the box and take away the run. Therefore, we can't run or pass the way things are currently set up. In order to utilize a pocket qb, there has to be a pocket. The only offense we have is when we occasionally block for 3 seconds and can take advantage of Desean facing one on one matchups. Nothing Gruden or any of the qb's do can help this offense right now, it is what it is. Blame is useless, since the situation can't be improved. The only thing we can do is take advantage of teams that can't pass rush. I don't think Bob is electric enough anymore to pull off the zone read, which would be our only recourse.

Exactly - what we need is for Snyder to let Bruce and the FO guys find a GM and give him the authority to manage the franchise ...
next - we need the GM and all these FO guys to make a complete evaluation of players & coaches and how best to proceed

IMO Gruden could become a good HC here if he's given the support from the 'new' FO and gets players to suit his needs

We really cannot trust any of the information about Gruden & Griffin except to hope that Gruden can point him in the right direction this off season and help him become an NFL QB - Griffin needs better mechanics, you can coach that up, you can't coach speed or arm strength

If Griffin is 'impossible' for Gruden to work with, the new GM will have to determine what's in the best interest of a franchise that is going through a complete makeover - we do not need Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder making that determination



While I'd love for Snyder to relinquish control, I'm not at all confident that he can and with him making choices about what or who, there is very little to be hopeful about - we could bring in great players or coaches and Snyder will find a way, as he always has, to screw it all up

[riggofan]

Teams aren't going to respect us as a pocket passing team since we don't have the personnel to run it. We were a playoff team a few years ago with relatively similar people, because these guys are mostly undersized retreads made to fit Shanny's system. If they know we can't pass block, they are going to stack the box and take away the run. Therefore, we can't run or pass the way things are currently set up. In order to utilize a pocket qb, there has to be a pocket. The only offense we have is when we occasionally block for 3 seconds and can take advantage of Desean facing one on one matchups. Nothing Gruden or any of the qb's do can help this offense right now, it is what it is. Blame is useless, since the situation can't be improved. The only thing we can do is take advantage of teams that can't pass rush. I don't think Bob is electric enough anymore to pull off the zone read, which would be our only recourse.

Exactly - what we need is for Snyder to let Bruce and the FO guys find a GM and give him the authority to manage the franchise ...
next - we need the GM and all these FO guys to make a complete evaluation of players & coaches and how best to proceed

Exactly??? He didn't write anything about the FO or the GM at all. He wrote that we don't have the offensive linemen we need to protect the pocket passer right now. The way to fix that is to sign or draft bigger, capable offensive linemen.

We really cannot trust any of the information about Gruden & Griffin except to hope that Gruden can point him in the right direction this off season and help him become an NFL QB - Griffin needs better mechanics, you can coach that up, you can't coach speed or arm strength

Gruden is planning to start his injured third string QB over Griffin this weekend. I don't know what more validation you need.

[StorminMormon86]

Gruden is planning to start his injured third string QB over Griffin this weekend. I don't know what more validation you need.

I think this is a stronger indication that Gruden hates Cousins as opposed to Griffin. Gruden said if McCoy isn't cleared, Griffin would start. Gruden isn't making any sense at all.

[riggofan]

Gruden is planning to start his injured third string QB over Griffin this weekend. I don't know what more validation you need.

I think this is a stronger indication that Gruden hates Cousins as opposed to Griffin. Gruden said if McCoy isn't cleared, Griffin would start. Gruden isn't making any sense at all.

Doesn't look good for Cousins either, that's for sure.

[StorminMormon86]

Doesn't look good for Cousins either, that's for sure.

Several reporters noted that Gruden "perked up" when asked about Cousins in his presser. Said that was the only time he didn't look down. Most were expecting him to get the nod. Now today he says McCoy looks like he's ok, and if he isn't, Robert will start...

[Chris Luva Luva]

Being a good OC doesn't make you a good HC, see Norv Turner.

Additionally, the Bengals haven't skipped a beat without Gruden. So their success wasn't solely tied him but evident that their entire system works. Ownership, scouting, coaches, players.

Gruden will fail because the layers above him will/have/always fail.

[mastdark81]

In the rams game we were stuffed because we were predictable. They run on first down 90% of the time. You would think that they would run misdirections, have wrs motion for fake handoffs, etc to combat a heavy penetrating team. No rb screens (1 actually). Gruden never set up a team or attack a teams weakness....its lime that Garcon pass weeks ago. He never set it up in prior weeks. So the safety never bit. I remember we did a pitch to Helu on a short yardage play a few weeks ago...He never set it up. When the last time one of our qbs had a pump fake? Coaching is at an all time low. When is the last time our dl/lbs had a batted or tipped ball. Coaching is bad...the discipline is bad.

[StorminMormon86]

What is Gruden supposed to do when an ineffective QB (McCoy in this case) cannot get into a rhythm, is constantly throwing behind receivers, cannot complete any pass except check downs and slants, the run game is getting stuffed, we didn't have our best receiver, and our defense is a complete mess?

[SkinsJock]

Gruden's biggest problem and the main reason for our 3-10 record is RG3 - Gruden is out of sorts because he has this QB on the sidelines that is causing the offensive breakdowns, defensive lapses and overall bad discipline

it'll all be over in 3 weeks and Gruden will be able to get rid of Griffin and the FO will restock the O line and defensive secondary and whatever else we need here and the Redskins will be back in contention again

TGIF

btw - I predict Colt will start this Sunday because he's not injured and that's a good enough reason

what a mess

[SkinsJock]

Being a good OC doesn't make you a good HC, see Norv Turner.
Additionally, the Bengals haven't skipped a beat without Gruden. So their success wasn't solely tied him but evident that their entire system works. Ownership, scouting, coaches, players.
Gruden will fail because the layers above him will/have/always fail.

+1 - Admittedly, this has not been a good season for Gruden - the QB situation has not helped but this team is not at 3-10 because we don't have a capable NFL QB - we would be here with Tom Brady at QB

we all were blind to the obvious weaknesses - Haslett, the secondary, the pass rush, the O line, the QB, the HC, the play calling, the attitude - you can go on and on - this franchise is in a mess and until they change the way they manage and get someone in here like an Ozzie Newsome and most importantly, stop the owner from being involved, the problems will continue

they can add great players and add great coaching, it will mean nothing if they don't play together as a team and that is impossible with Dan Snyder continuing to try and make this franchise well again - DAN SNYDER DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE

[riggofan]

they can add great players and add great coaching, it will mean nothing if they don't play together as a team and that is impossible with Dan Snyder continuing to try and make this franchise well again - DAN SNYDER DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE

Sooooo... we can't play together as a team because Dan Snyder.

[SkinsJock]

I think it's a little bit of everything. We kept our run game and blocking schemes the same but the problem is we've learned we're not a good running team. Our run game two years ago thrived on putting the defense in hesitation with the read option, that read option no longer exists with or without Griffin. Without that hesitation this line just doesn't create running lanes so now defenses make us one dimensional and our O-line is now relegated to what they do even worse than run blocking and that's pass pro. Gruden gets some blame IMO because we have an identity crisis, he's a coach that loves the passing game and the quick timing routes but without a running game and without competent QB play and weak pass pro this quick timing WC offense can't work. Everything is a mess, we need quality O-line help this offseason. They better address O-line this offseason in the form of 3 new starters at least.

just adding players or coaches is not the answer - we need people in charge that know which guys will help this group become a team

There's issues all over here - we have a guy at the top that is not a good personnel guy, so you are not adding the right people for whatever plan exists, if there really is a plan - then you add a HC that decides to keep Haslett because (according to Gruden) he knows the players and Gruden wants to give him a year - then you have a QB that you are not able to coach up or that refuses to be coached up - then you have an O line that wasn't put together to help run the offense the way the OC and the HC want it run - then you have a secondary ... well, we don't have a secondary, that will be added later - then you have no pass rush to speak of ... HUGE MESS

we don't have a GM that can take control and make the right decisions on who to add to the franchise and who should leave

[Chris Luva Luva]

they can add great players and add great coaching, it will mean nothing if they don't play together as a team and that is impossible with Dan Snyder continuing to try and make this franchise well again - DAN SNYDER DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE

Sooooo... we can't play together as a team because Dan Snyder.

Yes. Very much so. The owner of an organization sets the tone. He sets the precedent. And that intangible ideal permeates throughout the rest of the organization.


Think of it this way. Have you ever troubleshot a computer before? What's the process that you abide by? Your answer should be the process of elimination.

~~Computer won't turn on?~~
1. Check to see that the power cable is plugged in.
2. Check to see that the surge protector is turned on.
3. (To keep this short) Check all physical connection.
4. So on and So on...

You start with the obvious and you work your up the ladder to the most complicated reason that could be the source of the malfunction. So let's equate that to the Redskins.

~~The Redskins can't win games, why?~~
1. Change players?
2. Change coaches?
3. Change scouting dept?
4. Change front office?
5. Update player facilities?
6. Build new facilities?
7. Change ownership?

My point is that. We've changed EVERYTHING. Everything has changed, multiple times and some more often than others. But there's one constant in this situation. Dan Snyder. So if we were to troubleshoot this issue, he'd be the source of the problem.