What if Colt McCoy goes on a 5 game win streak?

[markshark84]

Possible I guess. I would have been more inclined to believe that if Gruden had started him vs. the Colts.

C00ley touched on this in the pregame on the radio. Sheehan interrupted him before he could answer fully, but he was saying that Gruden wants to win now to showcase to Allen and Snyder that his offense works, and it wasn't Griffin. He doesn't have the time to "develop" Cousins for the final 5 games, so he's rolling with McCoy since he gives the team the best chance to win right now. He also said he predicts Cousins to be the starter week 1 in 2015.

Does Gruden really think his job is in jeopardy after 1 season? If that is the case, then Danny boy must REALLY love RGIII.

I personally don't think there are any long term plan implications by what Gruden is doing. His choice was merely because McCoy has played better than Cousins this year ---- hence, McCoy is playing. Gruden is really in crisis lock down mode right now --- he knows his personal brand has been hurt by the combination of our offense's performance this year and CINCY's current OFF improvement compared to when Gruden was the OC (it also doesn't hurt that many in Cincy were happy to see him leave).

If McCoy continues to play as he did against INDY, I don't see Gruden simply demoting McCoy during the offseason.

No matter what, the disfunction of this organization is so depressing it's laughable. If only our fan base weren't so dumb --- just when the fan base starts to realize Danny boy's utter stupidity, the Danny whips out some shiny new toy (whether a coach, player or "president of football operations") everyone gets distracted by and forgets (or ignorantly believes this means Danny boy is willing to change). Then after two years of losing, the fan base remembers --- and like clockwork, Danny does the same thing, distracting our fans yet again.............

[SkinsJock]

Possible I guess. I would have been more inclined to believe that if Gruden had started him vs. the Colts.

C00ley touched on this in the pregame on the radio. Sheehan interrupted him before he could answer fully, but he was saying that Gruden wants to win now to showcase to Allen and Snyder that his offense works, and it wasn't Griffin. He doesn't have the time to "develop" Cousins for the final 5 games, so he's rolling with McCoy since he gives the team the best chance to win right now. He also said he predicts Cousins to be the starter week 1 in 2015.

ey cannot tell us what Gruden thinks or plans. Cousins might start in 2015, or he might not. The assistant coaches might know, and Mrs. Gruden might know, but ey and the public?

Example: during the playoffs leading to SB 26, the Lions run&shoot offense destroyed the Cowboys. Redskins played them the next week in the NFC championship game. People asked Richie Petibon how he planned to stop the Lions. His answer: "Well, I don't know, but I guess we won't try what the Cowboys did". On the first play from scrimmage, Sir Charles Mann slipped a blocker on the right side, Barry Sanders waved at Mann. Mann knocked Erik Kramer about five yards backward, and knocked the ball about five yards farther than Kramer.

Until the off-season and then the pre-season, there is nobody who can predict what Gruden will do or why.

^^ what he said

Nobody at this time can predict what Gruden is going to do after this season is over or even if he's going to be here next season

it's coming to the end of another bad season and so many here, as usual, just want to believe their own BS

[riggofan]

Possible I guess. I would have been more inclined to believe that if Gruden had started him vs. the Colts.

C00ley touched on this in the pregame on the radio. Sheehan interrupted him before he could answer fully, but he was saying that Gruden wants to win now to showcase to Allen and Snyder that his offense works, and it wasn't Griffin. He doesn't have the time to "develop" Cousins for the final 5 games, so he's rolling with McCoy since he gives the team the best chance to win right now. He also said he predicts Cousins to be the starter week 1 in 2015.

Yeah. Like everyone has said, its impossible to predict. I can't blame Gruden for just going with the QB he thinks will suck the least at this point. Its been a brutal season for fans. I have to imagine it hasn't been a lot of fun for the first year head coach.

[HogHeaven1983]

So much for my stupid idea! Looks like the Redskins are heading for a 3-13 season ... maybe we still have a shot at a #1 pick ... but a few teams need a few more wins for us to get there.

[DarthMonk]

As stoopid as it might be to predict, here I go:

There will be a 2 or 3 way competition for QB next year and Cousins will win it.

I'd LOVE to see Griffin win it but I have grave doubts.

[riggofan]

As stoopid as it might be to predict, here I go:

There will be a 2 or 3 way competition for QB next year and Cousins will win it.

haha. That's what we have left at this point in the season - baseless predictions about what will happen next year!

This one seems like as good a bet as any. I'm not sure Cousins is the best of the three QBs, but he did really well in training camp and preseason last year. Wouldn't surprise me to see him win a training camp battle.

It will be interesting to see what happens with McCoy next year. I don't know if you've taken a look at the list of FA QBs for 2015, but its pretty bleak. McCoy might actually be able to land a starting job if he finishes this year well.

[SkinsJock]

DM - I have to agree - I'm not sure what to make of the QB situation ...

Colt is looking like he's going to be it for now but he does not seem to be a QB you'd have a lot of confidence in

Griffin has huge issues to overcome; not the least of which is his confidence let alone getting the mechanics sorted out

Cousins is probably the best bet of the 3 to be the starter for next season

there's not many QBs out there either ...

it's a really big mess if Griffin cannot find a way to remake himself OR they just give up on him


the Jets almost won that game last night - we need to try and keep that 6 spot in the draft ...

I hate to think what Bruce Allen and Danny will do with the #6 pick and all those draft picks to trade away

[Skins Fan in Indy]

I think they are putting Colt on display just like they did Counsins. RGIII is signed sealed and delivered through 2015. Let us mark our calendars for May to see if the Skins pick up the 2016 option on RGIII. This might give an indication of what the thinking is perhaps. Can they get any value for RGIII right now?. I dont see it, so im going with as of right now RGIII to be the starting QB in 2015. I am going to give both RGIII and Gruden the benefit of the doubt only because we gave up the farm for RGIII and this is Grudens first year. I have my calendar circled for May. Show mercy on me Skins faithful just an opinion!. Besides they do have bigger issues then QB.

[riggofan]

I think they are putting Colt on display just like they did Counsins.

But what would be the point of that? Colt is a free agent in March, we're not going to get any trade value for him by showing the rest of the league that he can play. If anything, Colt playing well the next few weeks just makes it harder/more expensive for us to re-sign him if Gruden actually likes him.

That's a part of why I'm so baffled about the Redskins' QB plans right now. Its hard to figure out what they're doing and just looks like they have no real plan.

[riggofan]

DM - I have to agree - I'm not sure what to make of the QB situation ...

Yeah, we get that.

[RayNAustin]

The way I see it, the QB position is the least of the Redskins worries at this point, because the way the rest of the team is playing, it's unlikely that even Aaron Rogers or Tom Brady could make this team a contender. And to be blunt, there are good reasons to explain why this sad state of affairs exist.

First and foremost, when Shanahan arrived, the Redskins had a decent defense, but a very poor offense, yet Mike chose to dismantle and rebuild both, rather than fix what was broken. Miscalculation upon miscalculation later, we didn't see any dramatic improvement in any areas ... but indeed saw a regression in the defense and special teams performance. Some of this was due to the massive cap hit that prevented the team from bringing in free agent talent to fill some big holes. Next up ... the RG3 trade .... 3 first rounders and a 2 .... huge gamble, and in spite of the brief excitement in 2012, it looks now to be one of the biggest debacles ever. Imagine what 3 pro bowl level players would add to this team at the moment? While there is no guarantee that a #1 pick will become a super star, it is an expectation, and should be the result more often than not. 3 game changers could indeed make this team far more competitive than they are now, and cover up some other weaknesses. The harsh reality is that no team could endure losing 3 #1's, take a 36 million cap hit over a 2 year period, and avoid falling on it's face in a league where the margin between success and failure is so small.

The sad truth is, the rebuilding done over the previous 4 years of the Shanahan regime was an abject failure, and this team still needs rebuilding. The RG3 trade looks to be at least a 3 year setback, with the cap hit contributing to an additional 2 year setback, regardless of who the QB will be. And this debate about who is better, McCoy or Cousins only illustrates the huge failure of the RG3 trade, if indeed the RG3 era has ended.

While I have supported Haslett in the past, I think the time has come that change is necessary. And if I were making the decisions, I'd hire Rex Ryan as the DC for next season, as he is likely done in NY after this year. I'd focus on rebuilding this defense first, before doing anything with the offense. I'd not give up on Griffin just yet, and I'd work his rear end off to try and fix him, understanding that we have two alternatives that can step in and play if the RG3 experiment continues to fail. Salvaging RG3 is important enough to give him another year while understanding that rebuilding the defense is going to take time. There is no point in writing off RG3 at this stage, and seeking another savior, given how much work is needed across the board in so many areas.

2015 should be the year to focus the majority of energy and resources on beginning the rebuild of this defense, wile trying to salvage RG3. If Cousins or McCoy continue to outperform Robert in 2015, the question of what to do with Robert in 2016 will have answered itself. But at this point, we are not a QB away from being a solid contender so there is no point in assuming RG3 is unfixable. He may be, but that decision doesn't need to be made this upcoming off season. That's a decision to be made after the finish of next season.

[DarthMonk]

As stoopid as it might be to predict, here I go:

There will be a 2 or 3 way competition for QB next year and Cousins will win it.

haha. That's what we have left at this point in the season - baseless predictions about what will happen next year!

This one seems like as good a bet as any. I'm not sure Cousins is the best of the three QBs, but he did really well in training camp and preseason last year. Wouldn't surprise me to see him win a training camp battle.

It will be interesting to see what happens with McCoy next year. I don't know if you've taken a look at the list of FA QBs for 2015, but its pretty bleak. McCoy might actually be able to land a starting job if he finishes this year well.

I base my prediction on empirical evidence!!!!!!!!!

[riggofan]

I base my prediction on empirical evidence!!!!!!!!!

[riggofan]

2015 should be the year to focus the majority of energy and resources on beginning the rebuild of this defense, wile trying to salvage RG3.

Man I suspect a lot of what you wrote is true, but its pretty demoralizing to read. We could be 3-13 every year for the next four years trying to rebuild, and I'm not sure anybody has much more confidence in Bruce Allen to do a better job than Shanahan.

New def. coordinator is a must. I've heard people suggesting we go back to the 4-3 also. Does that help? Is it even a good idea with the guys we have like Murphy and Kerrigan?

[SkinsJock]

Hopefully this franchise makes the next step and hires a real GM, (move Bruce to President or wherever) and gives him the power to make a plan - every person here, from the HC down needs to be evaluated by the new GM and if they don't fit with what his plan calls for (keeping in mind the contracts we have) then they need to go

we need a GM whose sole responsibility is to get this franchise back on track

we should be done with the wishing and hoping strategy - Snyder needs to finally relinquish the control we thought he'd done when Mike came in

[hanburgerheel]

Daniel Snyder is not relinquishing anything. The only cure for this team/franchise is to somehow get him to sell. If you can get all the fans to stop buying his product, he might be forced to sell. Then we might get a team like we once had! As long as Daniel Snyder is the owner and involved, this team will always struggle. Struggle may even be a term for one of it's good years!

[Skins Fan in Indy]

I would give Bill Polian a call for starters

[riggofan]

Daniel Snyder is not relinquishing anything. The only cure for this team/franchise is to somehow get him to sell. If you can get all the fans to stop buying his product, he might be forced to sell.

This has zero chance of happening, so hopefully we have a Plan B.

[markshark84]

Daniel Snyder is not relinquishing anything. The only cure for this team/franchise is to somehow get him to sell. If you can get all the fans to stop buying his product, he might be forced to sell. Then we might get a team like we once had! As long as Daniel Snyder is the owner and involved, this team will always struggle. Struggle may even be a term for one of it's good years!

This is true.

Dan Snyder is the worst thing that could have happened to the franchise.

[riggofan]

Well we're stuck with that turd for the foreseeable future. I kinda think as long as that is the case, the next best thing we could get is just a competent, raging ***hole of a coach who won't be bullied by Snyder. Schottenheimer fit that bill IMO which is why Snyder got rid of him so quickly.

[StorminMormon86]

Griffin is done here in DC, IMO. Like riggo said, this whole fiasco seems like Gruden doesn't have a plan going into next year. Unless of course he's planning on drafting a QB.

[SkinsJock]

Ray - I'm not sure where you get that we gave up 3 x 1st round picks - in 2012 we picked RG3 with the #2 pick in the 1st round

can you clarify this?

[SkinsJock]

The QB position is only important to this franchise in that at this time we don't have a QB that we can build around

of the 3 QBs, I think Cousins will be 'listed' as the #1 in the Spring and Colt at #2 but they seem to be just good back up QBs to me

we really have no idea what, if any, future Griffin has here

I do hope we have someone in charge that can make a plan and rebuild the franchise around that

I doubt that many playmakers on offense are going to be too enthused going into a season with a back up QB

[Irn-Bru]

As stoopid as it might be to predict, here I go:

There will be a 2 or 3 way competition for QB next year and Cousins will win it.

I'd LOVE to see Griffin win it but I have grave doubts.

I agree. What RGIII needs now is the rest of the season off and a full offseason. He can clear his mind over the next couple of months and will be healthy. And he gets those 8-9 months knowing that his only job is to become a competent pocket passer. If he comes back in August and can't win the starting job, then I'll probably be ready to part ways.

[Skins Fan in Indy]

There is no way RGIII will be a back up on this team next year. He will either be the starter or he will not be on the Skins. The old saying cut your losses usually is a good thing but when you have given up so much for him and he is signed untill 2015 he has to be the starter. RGIII now has the chance to study the game and work on mechanics but they better draft some Hogs soon or no QB will survive.