Vikings vs Redskins Game Day Thread

[riggofan]

That guy should be a HC candidate for sure this year, and I'm not sure why he'd leave the DC job for a super bowl contender to be the DC for... Dan Snyder? lol.

Rex Ryan is going to be looking for a job this year. Some of you guys don't like him? Just seems like a guy who knows how to coach a defense. And I still think Wade Phillips is a guy who has had a good defense pretty much everywhere he has gone. Two guys who just couldn't get it done as head coaches for whatever reason.

If they replace Haslett, I'd really like to see one of these guys like a Gregg Williams who has shown he can put together a beast defense no matter what team he is coaching. They're out there.

[Deadskins]

That guy should be a HC candidate for sure this year, and I'm not sure why he'd leave the DC job for a super bowl contender to be the DC for... Dan Snyder? lol.

Rex Ryan is going to be looking for a job this year. Some of you guys don't like him? Just seems like a guy who knows how to coach a defense. And I still think Wade Phillips is a guy who has had a good defense pretty much everywhere he has gone. Two guys who just couldn't get it done as head coaches for whatever reason.

If they replace Haslett, I'd really like to see one of these guys like a Gregg Williams who has shown he can put together a beast defense no matter what team he is coaching. They're out there.

And Phillips coaches a 3-4 too. His son is our TEs coach, though, so if they're ok with the Shanahans, then I don't see why that should be an obstacle.

[DarthMonk]

That guy should be a HC candidate for sure this year, and I'm not sure why he'd leave the DC job for a super bowl contender to be the DC for... Dan Snyder? lol.

Rex Ryan is going to be looking for a job this year. Some of you guys don't like him? Just seems like a guy who knows how to coach a defense. And I still think Wade Phillips is a guy who has had a good defense pretty much everywhere he has gone. Two guys who just couldn't get it done as head coaches for whatever reason.

If they replace Haslett, I'd really like to see one of these guys like a Gregg Williams who has shown he can put together a beast defense no matter what team he is coaching. They're out there.

And Phillips coaches a 3-4 too. His son is our TEs coach, though, so if they're ok with the Shanahans, then I don't see why that should be an obstacle.

I wonder if we were ever interested in Zimmer.

[PAPDOG67]

I've been saying it for years. Haslet is terrible. Letting up 22 points to a rookie QB led offense in the 2nd half is a total disgrace. We can't get this guy out of town quick enough.

[hanburgerheel]

What amazes me the most about Haslett is; in 2012 the defense was stinking it up, too. Then there was that heralded winning streak that allowed the playoff berth. He gets a contract extension out of that! Then, in 2013 the defense was exponentially worse than 2012's worst day, and somehow he REMAINS on the staff after the Shanahan exodus! The guy's record as a DC in the NFL is adequate at best and abysmal at worst, too. I don't get it, never have.

[grampi]

I didn't get to see the game cuz I was in MI and didn't have access to my NFL Ticket...what the hell happened? Makes no sense that this team goes into Dallas and beats a Cowpoke team that was on a major roll, then they lose to the lowly Viqueens...just when I thought maybe the team was onto something with a couple wins in a row they come crashing back down to reality...

[welch]

CT says that the Vikings crushed the middle of the Redskins DL. Need a nose-tackle. I listened, could watch the line play, but the Vikings had to many plays, total, and moved length of the field twice in the last few minutes. Sounds like the defense was worn down. The reverse of a Hog-stomping.

Is the problem:

- Haslett?
- the 3 - 4 in general?
- this set of players?

Gruden seems to have good sense. This should be a season in which he decides which players are core and which are throw-aways. Joe Gibbs did the same in 2004. I expect (hope?) to see several changes in the OL and DL during the off-season.

[SkinsJock]

I agree with welch - this season is not over but Gruden and the FO will be evaluating players AND coaches

it's not as simple as saying the O line needs to be better or that replacing Haslett will make the defense more effective or that we need a better secondary ... we need to do a better job all across the board

1) the FO and scouting department need to locate and add players that fit and that make the other players better

2) the coaches and coordinators need to do their jobs better and game plan better

3) the players need to do improve both physically and mentally


We are a 3-6 franchise but we are not far away from being 5-4 - EVERYBODY needs to do their part better

[PAPDOG67]

The vikings did not crush the middle of our line. I don't know what game whoever said that was watching. They averaged 3.7 per rush......hardly dominating. The problem was that Teddy had too much time to throw on critical 3rd downs which kept their offense on the field for two very long drives in the fourth quarter.

[grampi]

I guess I just don't understand how our D could be so smothering vs a much better offense in Dallas, and then totally suck-ass vs the Viqueens...is that on the players or Haslett?

[StorminMormon86]

I say more on Haslett. Zero pressure dialed up in the 2nd half. Granted I was drunk by then, so I probably might be off with my analysis.

[emoses14]

I say more on Haslett. Zero pressure dialed up in the 2nd half. Granted I was drunk by then, so I probably might be off with my analysis.

This is perfectly understandable. I was tipsy and couldn't even see the game until the end of the 4th quarter.

[PAPDOG67]

Its totally on Haslett. HE is just not a very good Coordinator. If an when we do get rid of him, I would be extremely shocked if he ever got another DC gig in the NFL.

[grampi]

If it is Haslett, then how was he able to "dial it up" against Dallas?

[StorminMormon86]

I think the players were playing with more fire against Dallas being it was their hated rival, and that they were in Dallas. Also calling a *sh$t* ton more blitzes seemed to help.

[SkinsJock]

we lost this game because of 2 things we cannot do well this season ... 3rd down defense and 3rd down offense

Haslett is most likely gone but I do not believe it's all his fault ...

[DarthMonk]

I think the players were playing with more fire against Dallas being it was their hated rival, and that they were in Dallas. Also calling a *sh$t* ton more blitzes seemed to help.

Fever pitch in Dallas.


Vince Lombardi ~

I'm here because we win. You're only here because we win. When we lose, we're gone.

Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all time thing. You don't win once in a while, you don't do things right once in a while, you do them right all the time. Winning is habit.

The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary.

Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all time thing. You don't win once in a while, you don't do things right once in a while, you do them right all the time. Winning is habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Winners never quit and quitters never win.

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.

Hell, I'm an emotional man. I cry. I cried when we won the Super Bowl and I cried when I left Green Bay. I'm not ashamed of crying. Football's an emotional game....If you're going to be involved in it, you got to take your emotions with you, mister.

Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.

[riggofan]

I say more on Haslett. Zero pressure dialed up in the 2nd half. Granted I was drunk by then, so I probably might be off with my analysis.

Yeah I somehow doubt that Haslett's game plan was "zero pressure". lol.

Seriously there were a number of times we blitzed, even in the second half, where we didn't get to Bridgewater or the pressure on him didn't prevent him from completing a pass or whatever. That's probably on the players.

My problem with Haslett is that he wasn't able to adjust in the second half and couldn't figure out how to stop the Vikings and their rookie QB even once when we needed it. That's his job.

Not speaking to your comment directly - and I don't claim to be an expert on how to coach or call plays on defense - but I'm pretty sure there is more to it than just deciding to blitz like crazy like we did at Dallas. If that was all there is to it, wouldn't DCs just do that all the time?

[PAPDOG67]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, that is how I explain Dallas. Haslett hasn't been just bad, he's been historically bad throughout his career. I'm not posting the numbers again, but he hasn't finished in the top 20 (that's Two, Zero) in PPG against in the last 12+ seasons, with an average finish of like 27th.......that's out of 32 teams. At what point is it not on the players people??????

[grampi]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, that is how I explain Dallas. Haslett hasn't been just bad, he's been historically bad throughout his career. I'm not posting the numbers again, but he hasn't finished in the top 20 (that's Two, Zero) in PPG against in the last 12+ seasons, with an average finish of like 27th.......that's out of 32 teams. At what point is it not on the players people??????

Think of how much player turnover the team's had in 12 years...

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

^ Has hasnt been here for 12 years tho...

[PAPDOG67]

I understand he hasn't been here for 12 years, I'm talking about the last 12 years of his coaching resume........They're terrible, with multiple teams, which tells me the guy can't coach. Get him outta here now!!

[SkinsJock]

I understand he hasn't been here for 12 years, I'm talking about the last 12 years of his coaching resume........They're terrible, with multiple teams, which tells me the guy can't coach. Get him outta here now!!

OK - why is Haslett here? You don't like him but why in hell is he here?

I think it's because the FO and HC think he should be here - they outweigh your opinion just a little


it's a little tiring hearing suggestions like 'fire this guy' and 'cut that guy' and 'we need a new owner ...'

GET REAL PEOPLE - IT AIN'T HAPPENING - come up with something real or face facts - we are not able to put a good product on the field

we all want better but some of these suggestions for why we are where we are, are just STUPID

we have a good HC and we have a QB that is trying to be something that he has never been and we have some players to build around ...

BUT

we are not there yet and we are a season or 2 away from that place ...

this is going to take time ...

if you can't handle it, please leave us alone - this is our team - we are Redskins fans - it's going to take a while


for crying out loud - JUST wait until next season

[Kilmer72]

I understand he hasn't been here for 12 years, I'm talking about the last 12 years of his coaching resume........They're terrible, with multiple teams, which tells me the guy can't coach. Get him outta here now!!

Coach Haslett isn't a bad coach but unfortunately he isn't great either.

http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/20 ... head-coach

In his first season with the Saints, he guided the team to a 10-6 regular-season record, their second NFC West division championship, and the first playoff victory in franchise history, defeating the St. Louis Rams. He was named NFL Coach of the Year for guiding the impressive turnaround. It would be all downhill from there as Haslett would lead the Saints to a subpar 45-51 record over six seasons and never make the playoffs again.

Haslett would eventually be fired in 2006 following a 3-13 season during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. He would move on to become defensive coordinator and interim head coach of the St. Louis Rams from 2006 to 2009 followed by a brief stint as head coach of the UFL's Florida Tuskers in 2009.

Haslett has been the defensive coordinator of the Washington Redskins since 2010.

His record at New Orleans is better on average than we have had around here lately. Some things were out of his hands. ( Katrina) He took the job to become 34 DC and convert a fairly reliable 43 defense. He didn't want to but that was what Mike wanted because of Jims experience. Mike envisioned Pittsburgh's 34 long term. Jim probably knew this would take a while once he had Haynesworth figured out..... It goes on and on. So It's kind of hard to really evaluate someone dealing with cap hits and everything else.