Vikings vs Redskins Game Day Thread

[riggofan]

This just kills me:

The Redskins did pretty well on third down when they had the ball, converting 6 of 13, 46 percent. That’s their second-highest conversion rate of the season. The Washington defense, however, gave it right back, allowing 8 of 15, 53 percent. That’s their second-worst performance in that area this season.

[StorminMormon86]

If you think the zebras didnt help the vikes then u missed a disappointing game.

You can't be serious. We got a gimme touchdown on that BS roughing the passer call. That was 4th down, and should have been a field goal.

[SkinsJock]

agree riggofan - this has been the biggest disappointment this season, our 3rd down play on both defense and offense

there is no way Haslett survives if that continues - not that I think it's all his fault ... a change is needed

[Skins Fan in Indy]

My keys were keep Patterson in check on special teams "CHECK". Get the running game going "CHECK". Play team defense "FAILED". There was no reason why the Skins could not have won that game. They beat the ones they should not beat and they lose to the teams they should beat until that changes we will always be just another football team. Here is my question?. Is it possible to attract quailty free agents to the Skins because there history of draft picks is not boding well for them.

[SkinsJock]

The franchise is now managed differently than it was a few season ago ...

we can look back at how we were managed 2000 - 2012 and say that we don't have a prayer of getting anywhere because the FO and owner don't have a clue or we can hope that the guys in charge now will help the franchise by better use of the draft and free agent signings

hopefully we support giving the new guys a chance because I have ZERO faith in going back to the way things were run a few years ago

[riggofan]

If you think the zebras didnt help the vikes then u missed a disappointing game.

You can't be serious. We got a gimme touchdown on that BS roughing the passer call. That was 4th down, and should have been a field goal.

I agree - the Vikings got killed with penalties yesterday. We definitely had the advantage on that.

That roughing call was BS, but I don't think it was unusual at all. I watched a couple games yesterday and that kind of penalty gets called constantly. You just can't touch the QB.

And to be fair to the refs, when that guy hit RGIII on that play I immediately thought it was a penalty. (I was even worried RGIII was going to be hurt on it.) He was sliding and the defender went down and drilled him. At least that's how it looked. You really had to slow down the replay to see that he tried to pull back at the last minute.

[SkinsJock]

Seems the coach was really, really disappointed ...

MINNEAPOLIS -- The Washington Redskins' defense didn’t cause a turnover, didn’t stop the Vikings when needed and couldn’t protect a lead. In other words, it was the opposite performance from their outing six days earlier.

Last Monday against the Cowboys, they slowed a potent attack, allowed the offense to find its rhythm and performed well in clutch moments. Sunday, in a 29-26 loss to Minnesota, the Redskins failed defensively. They allowed big plays, were fortunate some other open receivers downfield were overthrown and couldn’t slow rookie quarterback Teddy Bridgewater.

Redskins coach Jay Gruden was not happy after the game, especially considering the offense took the lead twice in the final 23 minutes of the game -- and the Vikings grabbed it right back.

“We had a lead, we got down, we came back to get the lead, let them drive 80 yards right down the field, take the lead,” Gruden said. “We take the lead and they come right back down and go 80 yards again and take the lead again. Very, very, very, very sickened by that. I’m disappointed. I thought our defense played a lot better than that. No turnovers again. It’s just not good enough by any stretch.”

Bridgewater completed 26-of-42 passes for 268 yards, one touchdown and no interceptions. He was sacked twice. The Redskins sent an extra rusher on 17 pass attempts and he completed nine of those. A week ago, the Redskins blitzed Dallas on 60 percent of its dropbacks. Sunday was more in line with what the Redskins have done for the season. They couldn’t get to the quarterback enough. The Vikings also had more success in the run game with Jerick McKinnon's cutback runs -- sometimes helped by zone read and other times by alignment, with an outside linebacker forced into coverage in a base front.

Gruden qualified himself by saying he needed to watch the film to figure out why they couldn’t get pressure. But that doesn’t mean he was going to let it go.

“Got into some third-and-longs, their guy standing back there for 10 minutes and he throws a deep out and gets the first down,” Gruden said. “They run inside zone and it’s like we don’t have anybody there. We’ve got to look at film and find out what’s going on, if it’s schematic or they just out-physicaled us, outworked us, out-prepared us, I don’t know. We’ve got to find out because that was unacceptable football.”

Sometimes the lack of pressure was because of play-action. Another time, Bridgewater rolled right, the tight end on that side sold a run by blocking down, then the quarterback set up and threw back to the other side to him -- wide open -- for 13 yards. One time the Vikings ran a zone-read action that froze end Jason Hatcher on his rush. He realized it was a fake, proceeded -- and hit Bridgewater right after he completed a 13-yard pass.

“They did a lot of play-action and max protection,” Redskins nose tackle Chris Baker said. “It’s hard to get a lot of pass rush and they had guys running open downfield, but it’s up to us to get pressure and make him get the ball out quick.”

That didn’t happen, leading to open receivers.

“I don’t know how many routes were necessarily free in the normal timing of the play,” Redskins safety Ryan Clark said. “A lot of it wasn’t, 'Hit my fifth step and get the ball out.' It was getting outside the tackle box and allowing guys to go upfield.”

Sometimes it was blown coverage or the dreaded not-on-the-same-page issue. Regardless, it led to big plays. On Minnesota’s second series, receiver Cordarrelle Patterson was wide open, by a good 15 yards, but was overthrown. Corner David Amerson was in a zone on that side but played it as if he expected safety help -- and could be seen waving to Clark, who was racing up. They were not in sync.

Another time, Amerson in a cover-3 took the outside receiver as he ran a post route, jumping the route. But that left the deep outside open for tight end Chase Ford for a 20-yard touchdown catch. The Vikings ran a scissors route -- Ford and receiver Adam Thielen aligned on the same side crossed downfield. In the end, safety Brandon Meriweather and Amerson both were on one man while another was free.

“It’s hard in that coverage and it’s something you have to know what’s coming and be on top of,” Amerson said. “If I don’t take the receiver and Brandon is thinking something else, then it’s a touchdown because no one’s there. For that coverage it’s a hard route. That’s the hardest route you can get in that coverage.

“[Minnesota’s offense] wasn’t confusing. A lot of plays were getting extended and they were running the right play at the right time.”

[StorminMormon86]

Again our entire team cannot play 4 quality quarters of football. Defense held the Vikings to zero points right up until Griffin gifted them the 7 points at the end of the 2nd quarter. Then the defense looked completely lost when our offense fought back and gained the lead twice. It's so damn frustrating.

[riggofan]

Again our entire team cannot play 4 quality quarters of football. Defense held the Vikings to zero points right up until Griffin gifted them the 7 points at the end of the 2nd quarter. Then the defense looked completely lost when our offense fought back and gained the lead twice. It's so damn frustrating.

1) That interception was horrible, but giving the rookie QB the ball at the 50 yard line with 40 seconds left isn't exactly "gifting them the 7 points". Good grief, play prevent for half a minute and hold them to a FG.

2) The defense was incredibly lucky about keeping the Vikings to zero points in the first part of the game. Cordarelle Patterson completely torched Amerson and should have had an easy TD.

I honestly don't know what the problem is with the defense. Players, scheme, coaching or whatever. But they were freaking atrocious yesterday.

[hanburgerheel]

My fear is the defense plays a string of decent games at the end of the season and Haslett gets another extension! Nothing personal, Jim, but, we need consistency.

[Skins Fan in Indy]

Haslett needs to go and for some reason if Todd Bowles doesnt get a HC position I think Gruden needs to give him a ring about a DC job.

[Kilmer72]

Haslett needs to go and for some reason if Todd Bowles doesnt get a HC position I think Gruden needs to give him a ring about a DC job.

I could be wrong but Todd Bowles doesn't like the Redskin name at all. I thought I read somewhere just what he thought about it.

[Kilmer72]

If you think the zebras didnt help the vikes then u missed a disappointing game.

You can't be serious. We got a gimme touchdown on that BS roughing the passer call. That was 4th down, and should have been a field goal.

We did get that call Stormin and I agree but Vikings got 2 bad calls go their way. I knew it would get into a "did he have control of it" type thing but
the evidence is there he caught it. The game is much different after that. That was the beginning of the end. The interception just captured the whole day.
We did get a gimme touch down but they took away 2 chances. It was a make up call.

[StorminMormon86]

1) That interception was horrible, but giving the rookie QB the ball at the 50 yard line with 40 seconds left isn't exactly "gifting them the 7 points". Good grief, play prevent for half a minute and hold them to a FG.

They were getting points regardless. We could have went into half with at least a 10-0 lead.

2) The defense was incredibly lucky about keeping the Vikings to zero points in the first part of the game. Cordarelle Patterson completely torched Amerson and should have had an easy TD.

I wouldn't call it luck. Bridgewater started out shaky, and we did have some key blocks and good coverage in the first half.

[StorminMormon86]

We did get that call Stormin and I agree but Vikings got 2 bad calls go their way. I knew it would get into a "did he have control of it" type thing but the evidence is there he caught it. The game is much different after that. That was the beginning of the end. The interception just captured the whole day. We did get a gimme touch down but they took away 2 chances. It was a make up call.

I don't know about that interception. To me it wasn't definitive enough as to whether or not he had control, so I think that it was the correct call as much as I hate to say it.

[Kilmer72]

We did get that call Stormin and I agree but Vikings got 2 bad calls go their way. I knew it would get into a "did he have control of it" type thing but the evidence is there he caught it. The game is much different after that. That was the beginning of the end. The interception just captured the whole day. We did get a gimme touch down but they took away 2 chances. It was a make up call.

I don't know about that interception. To me it wasn't definitive enough as to whether or not he had control, so I think that it was the correct call as much as I hate to say it.

The control part is debatable. I thought the call was he wasn't in bounds before they said he didn't have control. So it is debatable at best but not the reason for the replay. Maybe I'm wrong and no one else saw it that way.

[riggofan]

1) That interception was horrible, but giving the rookie QB the ball at the 50 yard line with 40 seconds left isn't exactly "gifting them the 7 points". Good grief, play prevent for half a minute and hold them to a FG.

They were getting points regardless. We could have went into half with at least a 10-0 lead.

I don't disagree. But you don't think the defense should have been capable of holding them to 3 points instead of 7 at that point? It was a terrible INT from Griffin either way. That's just a point in the game where the defense could have bailed him out which is my point. At Dallas when McCoy had his INT or the team went three and out or whatever, the defense helped keep them in the game. We got nothing from them yesterday.

2) The defense was incredibly lucky about keeping the Vikings to zero points in the first part of the game. Cordarelle Patterson completely torched Amerson and should have had an easy TD.

I wouldn't call it luck. Bridgewater started out shaky, and we did have some key blocks and good coverage in the first half.

You can call it whatever you want. I'm glad we had some key blocks and good coverage in the first half but Patterson was 20 yards past Amerson, completely wide open on that play. It should have been an easy score for the Vikings. We were extremely fortunate that the game wasn't 7-7 at that point.

[Kilmer72]

1) That interception was horrible, but giving the rookie QB the ball at the 50 yard line with 40 seconds left isn't exactly "gifting them the 7 points". Good grief, play prevent for half a minute and hold them to a FG.

They were getting points regardless. We could have went into half with at least a 10-0 lead.

I don't disagree. But you don't think the defense should have been capable of holding them to 3 points instead of 7 at that point? It was a terrible INT from Griffin either way. That's just a point in the game where the defense could have bailed him out which is my point. At Dallas when McCoy had his INT or the team went three and out or whatever, the defense helped keep them in the game. We got nothing from them yesterday.

2) The defense was incredibly lucky about keeping the Vikings to zero points in the first part of the game. Cordarelle Patterson completely torched Amerson and should have had an easy TD.

I wouldn't call it luck. Bridgewater started out shaky, and we did have some key blocks and good coverage in the first half.

You can call it whatever you want. I'm glad we had some key blocks and good coverage in the first half but Patterson was 20 yards past Amerson, completely wide open on that play. It should have been an easy score for the Vikings. We were extremely fortunate that the game wasn't 7-7 at that point.

Yeah, there were many plays there in the first half that a really good veteran QB would have ate us up. I saw it too. The difference was how aggressive we were in the first half to second.

[Kilmer72]

How bout Murphy? I was a bit inebriated at the time so I can't remember ever play. Opinions please. I saw the sack. I don't remember him getting burned. Thoughts?

[riggofan]

How bout Murphy? I was a bit inebriated at the time so I can't remember ever play.

hah. Appreciate your candor! Are these types of losses worse or more bearable when you're watching with beer goggles?

[Kilmer72]

How bout Murphy? I was a bit inebriated at the time so I can't remember ever play.

hah. Appreciate your candor! Are these types of losses worse or more bearable when you're watching with beer goggles?

It's about the same. You should try it though because the uncommon denominator is remembering every play.

[riggofan]

How bout Murphy? I was a bit inebriated at the time so I can't remember ever play.

hah. Appreciate your candor! Are these types of losses worse or more bearable when you're watching with beer goggles?

It's about the same. You should try it though because the uncommon denominator is remembering every play.

lol. Kids around the house, so I can usually only get away with that for the night games.

Like most of the defense, I thought Murphy had a good start to the game then just kind of disappeared in the second half. Anybody else?

[Countertrey]

Haslett needs to go and for some reason if Todd Bowles doesnt get a HC position I think Gruden needs to give him a ring about a DC job.

I could be wrong but Todd Bowles doesn't like the Redskin name at all. I thought I read somewhere just what he thought about it.

I haven't seen that... Todd Bowles WAS a Redskin. Didn't seem to have a problem wearing the uni...

Come home, Todd.

[GoSkins]

Haslett needs to go and for some reason if Todd Bowles doesnt get a HC position I think Gruden needs to give him a ring about a DC job.

I could be wrong but Todd Bowles doesn't like the Redskin name at all. I thought I read somewhere just what he thought about it.

I haven't seen that... Todd Bowles WAS a Redskin. Didn't seem to have a problem wearing the uni...

Come home, Todd.

Agreed. Todd Bowles knows how to win. A Gibbs legacy.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

^ can we put it in writing??
Maybe he just needs a nudge from redskins nation aka thehogs.net!!

I vote to put Jake on the case, sneak in the DC position questions towards then end of the interview, after he butters him up with talk of the glory days. .. seems like a good idea to me?