SkinsJock wrote:the only good thing to come out of that game is that it really made a lot of posters here very upset
there's work to be done for sure but I don't think it's as bad as some are making out
I guess you never know! I will say I thought it was bizarre for the team to play as relatively well as they did against the Eagles and then look like a completely different team just a few days later. That stuff happens in the NFL though.
Look at the Falcons v Vikings game this weekend. In week 3, the Falcons humiliated the Bucs 56 - 14. A week later they get thrashed 41-28 by the Vikings. Crazy.
Guess we'll see.
KC 41 - NE 14. Happens to the best of teams. Try to keep yer heads up!
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I'll change my tune based on how the team is playing, NOT based on the record ...
I look at things differently than you - I don't judge players or coaches based on the record I look at how they are doing their jobs & how they are playing with the other players
Marino is thought of as a great QB - based on your way of 'judging' his performance he's a loser
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:I'll change my tune based on how the team is playing, NOT based on the record ...
I look at things differently than you - I don't judge players or coaches based on the record I look at how they are doing their jobs & how they are playing with the other players
Marino is thought of as a great QB - based on your way of 'judging' his performance he's a loser
On that same token, name a team that was not considered bad when their record was 1-10 or 2-9...regardless of how well any of it's players were playing at the time...
why do you care what anyone thinks about our team or any other team?
get over it - this is a Redskins fan site - we are trying to get back to where we were - it's going to take time
you have a choice ... grow up or get back on your meds
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
It's tough to imagine a playoff run with the weaknesses the team has but after watching Cousins turn in another good performance I think Washington has found a quality QB they can build around. Tonight when the Skins got behind Cousins stayed within himself avoided turnovers and kept his team in the game against the best NFL team. Cousins finished 21 for 36 for 283 yards, 2 TDs and no INTs, there were 3 or 4 drops the ended drives but he got some good support also.
OldSchool wrote:It's tough to imagine a playoff run with the weaknesses the team has but after watching Cousins turn in another good performance I think Washington has found a quality QB they can build around. Tonight when the Skins got behind Cousins stayed within himself avoided turnovers and kept his team in the game against the best NFL team. Cousins finished 21 for 36 for 283 yards, 2 TDs and no INTs, there were 3 or 4 drops the ended drives but he got some good support also.
Maybe the can win in Phoenix and start a run.
If you want to be honest you have to admit there was lots of bad throws and even wide open receives that he didn't see. Lets be real here. He did as good as I could hope and if the team effort over all would have been a little better we might have stole the game.
OldSchool wrote:It's tough to imagine a playoff run with the weaknesses the team has but after watching Cousins turn in another good performance I think Washington has found a quality QB they can build around. Tonight when the Skins got behind Cousins stayed within himself avoided turnovers and kept his team in the game against the best NFL team. Cousins finished 21 for 36 for 283 yards, 2 TDs and no INTs, there were 3 or 4 drops the ended drives but he got some good support also.
Maybe they can win in Phoenix and start a run.
If you want to be honest you have to admit there was lots of bad throws and even wide open receives that he didn't see. Lets be real here. He did as good as I could hope and if the team effort over all would have been a little better we might have stole the game.
Bad throws? Every QB misses on some throws and overlooks receivers during a game. Cousins played very well and helped his overmatched teammates stay in the game.
Griffin would have taken a beating had he played against this defense because he doesn't think as fast as Kirk and he can't run like he did before his 2012 injury.
^Ignorant post of the year award! Congrats oldskewl add it to your gleaming trophy case of pathetic attempts to paint a picture that doesnt exist!
Robert actually played against a better Seattle Defense in 2012.. not only was his leg injured which he played through, he also was having his way vs the legion of boom. 14-0 if I recall? Gtfoh w your nonsense.
Cousins can do no wrong and Robert can do no right. There your stance is acknowledged and you no longer need to try and convince anyone.
Kirk played like crap until the Seattle D lightened up... the refs tried to keep us in the game and he still fell short.. even the seahawks dropping sure fire ints couldn't rescue him. He stared down recievers put the ball behind em and threw a bunch of uncatchable passes when he needed to move the chains.
Did you even watch the same game?!?!?
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cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:^Ignorant post of the year award! Congrats oldskewl add it to your gleaming trophy case of pathetic attempts to paint a picture that doesnt exist!
Robert actually played against a better Seattle Defense in 2012.. not only was his leg injured which he played through, he also was having his way vs the legion of boom. 14-0 if I recall? Gtfoh w your nonsense.
Cousins can do no wrong and Robert can do no right. There your stance is acknowledged and you no longer need to try and convince anyone.
Kirk played like crap until the Seattle D lightened up... the refs tried to keep us in the game and he still fell short.. even the seahawks dropping sure fire ints couldn't rescue him. He stared down recievers put the ball behind em and threw a bunch of uncatchable passes when he needed to move the chains.
Did you even watch the same game?!?!?
Yeah, I saw Cousins throw 21-36 for 283 and two touchdowns without the benefit of running game and up against bad field position because our special teams stink. Mind you Cousins managed this against the Super Bowl champs and behind the horrible offensive line that can't protect Griffin.
Speaking of 2012 Robert doesn't exist anymore, sorry but the 2013/14 Robert isn't elusive out of the pocket and unfortunately clueless in the pocket. Robert Griffin would have been as helpless as a fawn stranded on the Beltway tonight.
Cousins on the other hand coped in the pocket where he has potential and a future. He thinks quick, has a nice arm and might become really good in time if he can restrain himself from overreach in games like the Giants fiasco. By my count he's turned in to 1 great, 2 good and 1 horrible performance this season, I interested in how he does during the next 11.
emoses14 wrote: Oldschool only posts when Griffin has done something that can be construed negatively (correctly or erroneously) or when Kirk Cousins does something that can be construed as proving that he's better than Griffin (corr... erroneously). You can almost set your watch by it. This is also why he's made 3 posts since Cousins played true to form against the Giants (STOP: "True to form" means wildly inconsistent in his play from one half or one game to the next, being a bit too easily rattled by game situations, and throwing too damn many pics. Nothing more.) and disappeared like Keyser Soze.
I may have to just add this to my signature line.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
OldSchool wrote:It's tough to imagine a playoff run with the weaknesses the team has but after watching Cousins turn in another good performance I think Washington has found a quality QB they can build around. Tonight when the Skins got behind Cousins stayed within himself avoided turnovers and kept his team in the game against the best NFL team. Cousins finished 21 for 36 for 283 yards, 2 TDs and no INTs, there were 3 or 4 drops the ended drives but he got some good support also.
Maybe they can win in Phoenix and start a run.
If you want to be honest you have to admit there was lots of bad throws and even wide open receives that he didn't see. Lets be real here. He did as good as I could hope and if the team effort over all would have been a little better we might have stole the game.
Bad throws? Every QB misses on some throws and overlooks receivers during a game. Cousins played very well and helped his overmatched teammates stay in the game.
Griffin would have taken a beating had he played against this defense because he doesn't think as fast as Kirk and he can't run like he did before his 2012 injury.
That magic eight ball you're using is amazing.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
Why are you guys even responding to that fool? You're messing up my "ignore" settings.
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Avinash_Tyagi wrote:Playoffs? We'll be lucky to be 5-11 when the season is done.
I have nothing against Cousins, but I don't think he's cut out to be a starter for the long haul
he's an excellent backup, but a backup
welcome to the site - the Cousins supporters mistakenly think that the Griffin supporters are anti Cousins - I agree with you, Cousins is a really good back up QB but I cannot wait to see Griffin playing QB again - I'm sure that Gruden will not let that happen until Griffin is both physically ready and has a good grasp on what Gruden and Sean want him to do
Griffin is another weapon on the field - Cousins is just a good QB
this team is not ready to be a playoff contender but the fact is that if they play the NFC East the same way that they played against the defending SB champs, even with the D playing out of position & missing tackles for much of the night, we'll win those games
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:^Ignorant post of the year award! Congrats oldskewl add it to your gleaming trophy case of pathetic attempts to paint a picture that doesnt exist!
Robert actually played against a better Seattle Defense in 2012.. not only was his leg injured which he played through, he also was having his way vs the legion of boom. 14-0 if I recall? Gtfoh w your nonsense.
Cousins can do no wrong and Robert can do no right. There your stance is acknowledged and you no longer need to try and convince anyone.
Kirk played like crap until the Seattle D lightened up... the refs tried to keep us in the game and he still fell short.. even the seahawks dropping sure fire ints couldn't rescue him. He stared down recievers put the ball behind em and threw a bunch of uncatchable passes when he needed to move the chains.
Did you even watch the same game?!?!?
Yeah, I saw Cousins throw 21-36 for 283 and two touchdowns without the benefit of running game and up against bad field position because our special teams stink. Mind you Cousins managed this against the Super Bowl champs and behind the horrible offensive line that can't protect Griffin.
Speaking of 2012 Robert doesn't exist anymore, sorry but the 2013/14 Robert isn't elusive out of the pocket and unfortunately clueless in the pocket. Robert Griffin would have been as helpless as a fawn stranded on the Beltway tonight.
Cousins on the other hand coped in the pocket where he has potential and a future. He thinks quick, has a nice arm and might become really good in time if he can restrain himself from overreach in games like the Giants fiasco. By my count he's turned in to 1 great, 2 good and 1 horrible performance this season, I interested in how he does during the next 11.
From an unbiased observer on the game Cousins played last night and this year:
The Redskins once again failed in a key area that continues to haunt the offense: third downs. Quarterback Kirk Cousins in particular has struggled in this area. Fortunately for the Redskins, they’re playing a team on Sunday that could help them get better in this department. Or, perhaps, their stats are a little misleading -- and not as inviting as they appear.
Let’s start with Cousins. Quarterbacks earn their money in the red zone and on third down. Too often, though, that’s been a troubling down as Cousins ranks last in the NFL among quarterbacks who have appeared in at least three games with a 49.8 passer rating on this down. Cousins has completed 21-of-37 passes for 204 yards, no touchdowns and two interceptions.
In three starts last season, Cousins had a 64.5 passer rating -- that was 25th in the NFL during that stretch. He completed 24 of 39 passes for 224 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions.
So it’s been an issue. Some of it is too many third-and-longs: Of their 12 third downs Monday, eight were for 5 yards or more. The problem is that teams will blitz Washington more on third down. Cousins has faced a blitz on 19 of his 37 third-down throws. He’s completed eight of those 19 passes for 55 yards and an interception.
Which brings us to Arizona. The good news for Washington: The Cardinals allow the opposition to convert on 45.5 percent of third downs. The quarterbacks they’ve faced: Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Colin Kaepernick and Peyton Manning. A pretty good group.
But it’s the pressure on third down that will be worth watching. The Cardinals have blitzed an NFL-high 33 times on third down. It usually works: Quarterbacks have completed 16 of 30 passes for 242 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions on those plays. The yards per attempt (8.37) ranks 21st in the league, so there’s a potential payoff -- but that means Cousins and the rest of the offense must handle this scenario better than they have in the past.
This is not a rip on Cousins. He's a backup QB pressed into the starting role that isn't his and is too much for him. And that's OK. Let's stop trying to make him out to be something he isn't.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
SkinsJock wrote:welcome to the site - the Cousins supporters mistakenly think that the Griffin supporters are anti Cousins - I agree with you, Cousins is a really good back up QB but I cannot wait to see Griffin playing QB again - I'm sure that Gruden will not let that happen until Griffin is both physically ready and has a good grasp on what Gruden and Sean want him to do
Its just funny, man. Griffin supporters. Cousins supporters. Personally I think both of these guys have shown flashes of brilliance and both still have big question marks about their abilities. I'm just glad we have two QBs who might not completely suck. Hopefully we can build a decent team around them before they leave or retire.
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Too much focus on the qb situation. Maybe, just MAYBE if the skins could improve their running game to a serviceable level, Griffin and Cousins could be successful. That display on the ground last night was pathetic.
The OP was implying that we needed Cousins to make the playoffs ... then there were the implications that Griffin might not be able to play QB the way that Gruden wants ...
This team will make the playoffs with Cousins, Griffin or even McCoy as the QB AND the franchise is able to have some good linemen on offense and defense and a decent secondary ...
it's not about the QB ... we need to have better depth along both lines and to replace a large number of players
Griffin is going to be the QB here but he's only going to be as good as the supporting cast around him on both offense and defense Cousins will be a great back up QB if he decides to stay
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
The real shortcomings of the Washington Redskins is NOT at the quarterback position at all.
The Redskins have 2 former Heisman winners and another Big Ten star QB. One of them, or all of them, have enough talent to manage a decent showing if the rest of the team, staff, coaching and ownership is sound.
Cousins and Djax were definitely our best players last night. The real deficiency seemed to be the offensive line. Why we cut Monty is beyond me, Lauvao is just awful and Polumbus is regressing hard from a great year last year. That Seahawks D is legit and Cousins performed solidly. I still like RG3 and hope he develops into an elite QB, but I think Cousins can do the same.
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riggofan wrote:Why are you guys even responding to that fool? You're messing up my "ignore" settings.
don't you just love that setting - there's a bunch of fools here whose posts I am not missing ....
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Avinash_Tyagi wrote:Playoffs? We'll be lucky to be 5-11 when the season is done.
I have nothing against Cousins, but I don't think he's cut out to be a starter for the long haul
he's an excellent backup, but a backup
welcome to the site - the Cousins supporters mistakenly think that the Griffin supporters are anti Cousins - I agree with you, Cousins is a really good back up QB but I cannot wait to see Griffin playing QB again - I'm sure that Gruden will not let that happen until Griffin is both physically ready and has a good grasp on what Gruden and Sean want him to do
Griffin is another weapon on the field - Cousins is just a good QB
this team is not ready to be a playoff contender but the fact is that if they play the NFC East the same way that they played against the defending SB champs, even with the D playing out of position & missing tackles for much of the night, we'll win those games
Thanks, and I agree, this team needs revamped O and D Lines before we are playoff contenders again
