Redskins Eagles post game thread

[Countertrey]

Well it is indeed a fact that cousins played against second and third stringers in the preseason. So he can play well against starters for large parts of a game. Great. I'll get excited when he wins more than one game as a starter and learns how to finish. Until then, he's JAG.

This is just weak. Cousins is CLEARLY playing a superior game, with mastery of Gruden's game. He will only get better.

[grampi]

WOW - missed the game and had to watch on replay ...
it's now 8pm - I am very pleased - we are looking like a team again

disappointing result but the team showed a lot - Cousins played well and the defense held up against a really good offense

hated to lose but loved seeing the progress this team has made

Cousins is OK - we'll be fine with him at QB until Griffin can get back

Cousins throws for 427 yards and he's just OK? Lol! He's better than Griff...

[grampi]

Well it is indeed a fact that cousins played against second and third stringers in the preseason. So he can play well against starters for large parts of a game. Great. I'll get excited when he wins more than one game as a starter and learns how to finish. Until then, he's JAG.

This is just weak. Cousins is CLEARLY playing a superior game, with mastery of Gruden's game. He will only get better.

That's because those looking through RG3 colored glasses can't see that Cousins is the better of the two QBs...

[grampi]

I don't know how long it will take or what the circumstances are going to be - I agree it's going to take time for Griffin to show that he's the better option at QB - however, he will do that - Cousins also knows this and he needs to make the most of his time on the field

see? simple really

I don't know why you're so convinced that RG3 is the better QB...he clearly hasn't been since his knee injury...and when was the last time RG3 threw for 427 yards in a game?

[FLWSkin]

I really don't need you to tell me how I think. But if is a fact that Cousins played against 2nd and 3rd stringers in the preseason. It is a fact that in most of his starts, he has come out strong and fades at the end when defenses adjust to him. It is a fact that he is 1-4 as a starter. It's funny how you say I'm looking through RGIII colored glasses (which I'm not, I don't care who starts as long as they win) when your Captain Kirk glasses are so far in to overdrive it's not even funny. But hey, keep on thinking you are smart just because you think you are sooo cool going against the grain. Sorry, that doesn't impress me and neither do your 3rd grade arguments and attempt at debate.

[grampi]

I really don't need you to tell me how I think. But if is a fact that Cousins played against 2nd and 3rd stringers in the preseason. It is a fact that in most of his starts, he has come out strong and fades at the end when defenses adjust to him. It is a fact that he is 1-4 as a starter. It's funny how you say I'm looking through RGIII colored glasses (which I'm not, I don't care who starts as long as they win) when your Captain Kirk glasses are so far in to overdrive it's not even funny. But hey, keep on thinking you are smart just because you think you are sooo cool going against the grain. Sorry, that doesn't impress me and neither do your 3rd grade arguments and attempt at debate.

Keep toting that RG3 line if you wish, but he's a bust....

[FLWSkin]

It would be helpful if you learned how to read. I state I don't care who is QB. You're the one toting a line and ignoring facts. The fact is you say RGIII has accomplished nothing, but refuse to admit that neither has Kirk. You are a moron, so I am out. Good day.

[markshark84]

Did Kirk Cousins and the Redskins win the superbowl on Sunday and I missed it? Did they win the NFC East? How about the game?
I'll wait.
No?
So why are some on THIS board acting as if he's Joe Montana?
I'll wait.

I agree with this. I takes much more than 2 games to determine a player's ability. Granted, we have seen Cousins play well (and poorly) in the past --- but this is also the first time we have seen him play in Gruden's offense. It's hard not to be excited over what Cousins has done.

In the past 2 games, Cousins has put up VERY good numbers. Over those 2 weeks, his performance has arguably been in the top 5 in the entire NFL and is #4 in the NFL in QBR this season. Now, is that because he played 2 of the worst defenses in the NFL or is it because he is a perfect fit for Gruden's offense? Only time will tell.

At this point, I would say it's unfair to not give Cousins credit where it is due. And it would also be unreasonable to say that if he continues putting up these numbers and centerpiecing an offense that is averaging an INCREDIBLE 37.5 ppg --- Gruden will most likely keep Cousins as the starter for at least the remainder of the season before opening it up to a competition over the summer. Players have and will continue to lose their positions to injury in the NFL. That is one of the reasons players don't want to be taken out; the talent pool is deep.

I also think it is reasonable to question whether Cousins can continue at this pace. He has played 2 of the worst DEFs in the NFL. We will get a better idea of what he is fully capable of in this offense on Oct. 6th.

This all being said, if Cousins' #s dip (which is almost certain to happen as most QBs can't keep up this pace), he has to understand this is RGIII's team. RGIII is a dynamic, incredibly talented, good leader, smart, and hard working QB. He is the franchise QB. It will take a lot to bench him without at least some sort of competition for the position..... but if Cousins continues to average 350 yards and 2.5 TDs a game passing, Gruden will have a very difficult decision on his hands.

[FLWSkin]

Well it is indeed a fact that cousins played against second and third stringers in the preseason. So he can play well against starters for large parts of a game. Great. I'll get excited when he wins more than one game as a starter and learns how to finish. Until then, he's JAG.

This is just weak. Cousins is CLEARLY playing a superior game, with mastery of Gruden's game. He will only get better.

You can't state it as a fact that he will get better. You ASSUME he will but you don't know that. And since the anit-RGIII people spout everyday that it is impossible for RGIII to get any better, I will not let people get away with just saying "oh we know Kirk will get better" when you have no way of knowing that. You can't have it both ways.

[Countertrey]

Well it is indeed a fact that cousins played against second and third stringers in the preseason. So he can play well against starters for large parts of a game. Great. I'll get excited when he wins more than one game as a starter and learns how to finish. Until then, he's JAG.

This is just weak. Cousins is CLEARLY playing a superior game, with mastery of Gruden's game. He will only get better.

You can't state it as a fact that he will get better. You ASSUME he will but you don't know that. And since the anit-RGIII people spout everyday that it is impossible for RGIII to get any better, I will not let people get away with just saying "oh we know Kirk will get better" when you have no way of knowing that. You can't have it both ways.

You may just want to check fire, Mr Man. Before you try lumping me as "anti-RG3" I encourage you to do some research... There are one or two folks here who remember who started the Bob Bus in the fall of 2011. Second... I am a fan of Cousins. He is just a sound pocket quarterback, who understands the game. It doesn't take a genius to see that he still has more upside. Get over your "bad" self. Apparently, ther is some bizarre rule around here that reason is no longer permitted, that it is not possible to like and cheer for two quarterbacks who happen to have different sets of effective talents.

DO NOT put me into that box.

[FLWSkin]

Just because you are on the staff of the board doesn't mean you are immune from criticism. I'm sorry, you cannot state that you KNOW Kirk will get better. You have no way of knowing that. For all you know, what you are seeing out of him right now is as good as he will get. I have stated in several post that I don't care who the QB is. So get over your own bad self.

[markshark84]

Just because you are on the staff of the board doesn't mean you are immune from criticism. I'm sorry, you cannot state that you KNOW Kirk will get better. You have no way of knowing that. For all you know, what you are seeing out of him right now is as good as he will get. I have stated in several post that I don't care who the QB is. So get over your own bad self.

FLW --- I tend to step in when non-staff argue with staff because staff tend to gang up on non-staff posters, but Countertrey never said Cousins getting better was a fact. I read it as him believing he'll only get better. No one on earth knows with certainty that any particular player will or will not improve. He also is not anti-RGIII.

That being said, how much better can Cousins get --- judging based on the last 2 games???? He is top 5 in the league based on the past 2 weeks.

[Deadskins]

staff tend to gang up on non-staff posters

[grampi]

It would be helpful if you learned how to read. I state I don't care who is QB. You're the one toting a line and ignoring facts. The fact is you say RGIII has accomplished nothing, but refuse to admit that neither has Kirk. You are a moron, so I am out. Good day.

Why can't you guys discuss anything without resorting to name calling? The difference between the two is that RG3 had an entire season after the knee injury to show his stuff and he played like crap...in the games KC has played, he has outplayed RG3...

[grampi]

Just because you are on the staff of the board doesn't mean you are immune from criticism. I'm sorry, you cannot state that you KNOW Kirk will get better. You have no way of knowing that. For all you know, what you are seeing out of him right now is as good as he will get. I have stated in several post that I don't care who the QB is. So get over your own bad self.

FLW --- I tend to step in when non-staff argue with staff because staff tend to gang up on non-staff posters, but Countertrey never said Cousins getting better was a fact. I read it as him believing he'll only get better. No one on earth knows with certainty that any particular player will or will not improve. He also is not anti-RGIII.

That being said, how much better can Cousins get --- judging based on the last 2 games???? He is top 5 in the league based on the past 2 weeks.

Not only this, but also the ardent RG3 fans always resort to name calling if anyone says anything remotely close to "Cousins is better then RG3"...say that and you're immediately called an idiot or a moron...

[markshark84]

staff tend to gang up on non-staff posters

[SkinsJock]

I don't know how long it will take or what the circumstances are going to be - I agree it's going to take time for Griffin to show that he's the better option at QB - however, he will do that - Cousins also knows this and he needs to make the most of his time on the field

see? simple really

I don't know why you're so convinced that RG3 is the better QB ... he clearly hasn't been since his knee injury...and when was the last time RG3 threw for 427 yards in a game?

Let me be clear - you are so sloooow at seeing things and you have selective memory ...

Cousins is CLEARLY the BETTER QB AT THIS TIME

Griffin needs time to become as good as Cousins - he is CLEARLY NOT AS GOOD AT RUNNING THIS STYLE OF OFFENSE

Griffin has the talent, ability and drive to become a great QB - IT WILL TAKE TIME

Cousins will be a very good QB - I doubt that he becomes a great QB

[emoses14]

Did Kirk Cousins and the Redskins win the superbowl on Sunday and I missed it? Did they win the NFC East? How about the game?
I'll wait.
No?
So why are some on THIS board acting as if he's Joe Montana?
I'll wait.

I agree with this. I takes much more than 2 games to determine a player's ability. Granted, we have seen Cousins play well (and poorly) in the past --- but this is also the first time we have seen him play in Gruden's offense. It's hard not to be excited over what Cousins has done.

In the past 2 games, Cousins has put up VERY good numbers. Over those 2 weeks, his performance has arguably been in the top 5 in the entire NFL and is #4 in the NFL in QBR this season. Now, is that because he played 2 of the worst defenses in the NFL or is it because he is a perfect fit for Gruden's offense? Only time will tell.

At this point, I would say it's unfair to not give Cousins credit where it is due. And it would also be unreasonable to say that if he continues putting up these numbers and centerpiecing an offense that is averaging an INCREDIBLE 37.5 ppg --- Gruden will most likely keep Cousins as the starter for at least the remainder of the season before opening it up to a competition over the summer. Players have and will continue to lose their positions to injury in the NFL. That is one of the reasons players don't want to be taken out; the talent pool is deep.

I also think it is reasonable to question whether Cousins can continue at this pace. He has played 2 of the worst DEFs in the NFL. We will get a better idea of what he is fully capable of in this offense on Oct. 6th.

This all being said, if Cousins' #s dip (which is almost certain to happen as most QBs can't keep up this pace), he has to understand this is RGIII's team. RGIII is a dynamic, incredibly talented, good leader, smart, and hard working QB. He is the franchise QB. It will take a lot to bench him without at least some sort of competition for the position..... but if Cousins continues to average 350 yards and 2.5 TDs a game passing, Gruden will have a very difficult decision on his hands.

Not only do I have no disagreement with this, I applaud this take.

Attention: I'm nOt naming any names, but this is what a baLanceD perSpeCtive sHOuld sOund Like.

[DarthMonk]

The offense was clearly very good to excellent. Cousins makes quick decisions. That is his strength. Sometimes he's actually too quick and puts it on a guy's hands AS THE GUY IS TURNING before he can be ready but that was the exception, not the rule. There was a throw where he seemed to have already considered a possible blitzer coming free. When Kirk turned the blitzer was free and in his face but Kirk already knew where he was gonna go with it and did. I saw Griff do that too - as a rookie - but not lately - except early against J-ville.

For all the things Kirk does well he can still be pretty inaccurate at times. He sailed a few that could've easiy been picked and missed Garcon by a mile from close range on the last play. I couldn't tell if Garcon should've hooked up instead of cutting in or if Kirk missed him but I later heard Gruden say Garcon ran a perfect route, was wide open, and Kirk just threw a bad one.

Kirk gets an A- and so does the offense.

The defense was pretty darn good - especially in the 2nd half. There were FGs and punts. How many times did we stop them on 3rd down but get flagged. The terrible one was a PI call on a linebacker on a deep ball. I guess they called face guarding but he was too far away and couldn't reach high enough to block the guys view. All he did was tackle him after the ball got there. Game changer.

I can live with Baker getting flagged - barely - but the ejection was overly harsh.

I give the defense an A- too. We made Foles beat us and he did - kinda.

The specials were horrendous. If we are keeping Kai cuz he's clutch (and he doesn’t even kick off) then the bitch has to be clutch. We actually could've considered a 59 yarder at the end with Hocker. Also, there is no return for a TD with Hocker. I'm actually pissed.

I give specials an F-.

With merely adequate specials we are 2-1 and maybe 3-0. WE MUST FIX SPECIALS. In spite of our injuries, we will field a good team Thursday.

One final thought - we outplayed the Eagle at the line of scrimmage. Too frickin' bad we found a way to lose.

[Countertrey]

Just because you are on the staff of the board doesn't mean you are immune from criticism. I'm sorry, you cannot state that you KNOW Kirk will get better. You have no way of knowing that. For all you know, what you are seeing out of him right now is as good as he will get. I have stated in several post that I don't care who the QB is. So get over your own bad self.

Are you actually reading anything that's being written??? You need to get a handle on some context, here.

[grampi]

I don't know how long it will take or what the circumstances are going to be - I agree it's going to take time for Griffin to show that he's the better option at QB - however, he will do that - Cousins also knows this and he needs to make the most of his time on the field

see? simple really

I don't know why you're so convinced that RG3 is the better QB ... he clearly hasn't been since his knee injury...and when was the last time RG3 threw for 427 yards in a game?

Let me be clear - you are so sloooow at seeing things and you have selective memory ...

Cousins is CLEARLY the BETTER QB AT THIS TIME

Griffin needs time to become as good as Cousins - he is CLEARLY NOT AS GOOD AT RUNNING THIS STYLE OF OFFENSE

Griffin has the talent, ability and drive to become a great QB - IT WILL TAKE TIME

Cousins will be a very good QB - I doubt that he becomes a great QB

Again, you're predicting things you can't possibly know...you say I'm slow at seeing things, but you're claiming to see things in the future which isn't possible...

[SkinsJock]

... Apparently, there is some bizarre rule around here that reason is no longer permitted, that it is not possible to like and cheer for two quarterbacks who happen to have different sets of effective talents.

both these observations are spot on ...

and I'm at fault with both some of the time ... out of frustration I guess

I do like that we have Cousins and I hope he can continue to play at a high level ...

Cousins was not the reason we lost and he was part of the reason we were close at the end

[emoses14]

The offense was clearly very good to excellent. Cousins makes quick decisions. That is his strength. Sometimes he's actually too quick and puts it on a guy's hands AS THE GUY IS TURNING before he can be ready but that was the exception, not the rule. There was a throw where he seemed to have already considered a possible blitzer coming free. When Kirk turned the blitzer was free and in his face but Kirk already knew where he was gonna go with it and did. I saw Griff do that too - as a rookie - but not lately - except early against J-ville.

For all the things Kirk does well he can still be pretty inaccurate at times. He sailed a few that could've easiy been picked and missed Garcon by a mile from close range on the last play. I couldn't tell if Garcon should've hooked up instead of cutting in or if Kirk missed him but I later heard Gruden say Garcon ran a perfect route, was wide open, and Kirk just threw a bad one.

Kirk gets an A- and so does the offense.

The defense was pretty darn good - especially in the 2nd half. There were FGs and punts. How many times did we stop them on 3rd down but get flagged. The terrible one was a PI call on a linebacker on a deep ball. I guess they called face guarding but he was too far away and couldn't reach high enough to block the guys view. All he did was tackle him after the ball got there. Game changer.

I can live with Baker getting flagged - barely - but the ejection was overly harsh.

I give the defense an A- too. We made Foles beat us and he did - kinda.

The specials were horrendous. If we are keeping Kai cuz he's clutch (and he doesn’t even kick off) then the bitch has to be clutch. We actually could've considered a 59 yarder at the end with Hocker. Also, there is no return for a TD with Hocker. I'm actually pissed.

I give specials an F-.

With merely adequate specials we are 2-1 and maybe 3-0. WE MUST FIX SPECIALS. In spite of our injuries, we will field a good team Thursday.

One final thought - we outplayed the Eagle at the line of scrimmage. Too frickin' bad we found a way to lose.

Didn't Baker get flagged for the fight, not the hit on Foles? I think the flag came during the fight/when he grabbed Peters' face mask after Peters got rowdy and then ejected for that.

[DarthMonk]

Didn't Baker get flagged for the fight, not the hit on Foles? I think the flag came during the fight/when he grabbed Peters' face mask after Peters got rowdy and then ejected for that.

... officials called a penalty on Baker for the hit during the game ...

I think the EJECTION was for the "fight."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... was-legal/

[riggofan]

I think the EJECTION was for the "fight."

This is true. I misunderstood that myself earlier this week in all of the confused talk about how Baker's "cheap shot".

Its kind of extra-BS that Baker was ejected in that case though, isn't it? Jason Peters comes running in swinging at him. What was Chris Baker supposed to do in that case?