RGIII health status thread

[StorminMormon86]

I don't think Griffin was hurt last year, but he definitely didn't start the season at 100%.

[riggofan]

I don't think Griffin was hurt last year, but he definitely didn't start the season at 100%.

That's not the point. People are saying the 2013 season proves he was "injury prone" or frail. He was injured in 2012. If anything, the 2013 season should prove that he is tough and resilient. I sure didn't expect to see him out there playing at the start of the season!

[SkinsJock]

Hopefully Griffin can get well and get back on the field as soon as possible

There is no way that anyone is going to let he, Jackson or anyone back on the field before they are ready - we have been down that road

hopefully Cousins can play well & stay healthy - there is no doubt in my mind that Griffin is going to continue to get better as a QB

[AnthonyRRedskin1995]

Hopefully Griffin can get well and get back on the field as soon as possible

There is no way that anyone is going to let he, Jackson or anyone back on the field before they are ready - we have been down that road

hopefully Cousins can play well & stay healthy - there is no doubt in my mind that Griffin is going to continue to get better as a QB

+1. I'm not gonna crown Cousins the starter after one good game......against Jacksonville. I still THINK RG is better than KC. However, I am not 100% sure, hopefully Cousins continues to play well and at least make this a tough decision for Jay Gruden. Competition breeds excellence and lack of it breeds mediocrity.

[emoses14]

I don't think Griffin was hurt last year, but he definitely didn't start the season at 100%.

That's not the point. People are saying the 2013 season proves he was "injury prone" or frail. He was injured in 2012. If anything, the 2013 season should prove that he is tough and resilient. I sure didn't expect to see him out there playing at the start of the season!

As should the fact (excuse the CAPS) that HE COMPLETED A 20 YARD PASS ONE STEP AFTER DISLOCATING HIS DAMN ANKLE!! If anything, this man has proved he's tough as damn nails.

[langleyparkjoe]

Health status? Ever ate that candy called 'payday'?
You know how you get those pieces of loose peanuts in the wrapper?
That's what comes to mind when I think of RG3 now.
Rest my child, rest.

[markshark84]

You all have to agree that RG is brittle beyond belief.

Uh, no we don't.

He's been hurt in all three seasons he's played.

Uh, no he hasn't.

Please share with us the details of how he was hurt in the 2013 season. I must have missed that injury.

Saying he is "brittle beyond belief" may be a bit over the top, but no one on earth can deny RGIII is injury prone. He has been seriously injured in 2 of the 3 seasons he has played in the NFL. He also tore his ACL in college. The only NFL season he wasn't hurt (2013) was basically defined by the coaching staff attempting to limit his exposure to injuries.

As far as your final comment ---- It is very hard to deny that RGIII wasn't 100% in 2013. In fact, he was most likely around 60% (if that) for the vast majority of the season. If you don't agree, I'd love to hear your thoughts on what caused his performance drop in 2013. He may not have sustained an injury in 2013, but there is no denying he was "hurt". The fact it came from one injury is irrelevant; the poster stated that he's been "hurt" in all 3 seasons --- and this is an accurate statement.

I understand you want to defend the team, but facts are facts.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Cant this one thread escape peoples need to constantly bash Griffin? The kids fkn ankle popped out of its socket for cryn out loud!! SO this is to track the injury and his progress. There is already 1.2 billion other threads about why Kirk is better then Griff why Griff wont be any good etc etc. Can people who want to follow his injury and updates have this one damn thread?

Sob people are unreal with their hate!
Newsflash- Cousins IS THE STARTER. Until the qb battle starts gtfo rg3s mfNUTZ!

[DarthMonk]

I don't see much point in bringing Griff back this year regardless of how good Cousins looks.

This is how we got here in the first place - playing Griff when we shouldn't have.

I'm starting to think Griff's athleticism puts him in unusual spots. Maybe 28 other QBs would have simply been tackled or tossed the ball OB. Two or three others would've taken the leap and maybe landed on their side. Griff avoids all the contact but lands awkwardly and the ankle goes out.

BTW -the man has balls of steel. He knew he was toast, jumped off the dislocated ankle, and threw a 15 yard dart back across his body. Might be too ballsy.

Let's play Kirk all year, make him a good offer if he goes 6-3 over the next few months and looks good doing it, and exercise our option on a 5th year from Griff.

Good pick up, LPJ.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

x2
x100 on LPJ!

[Deadskins]

You all have to agree that RG is brittle beyond belief.

Uh, no we don't.

He's been hurt in all three seasons he's played.

Uh, no he hasn't.

Please share with us the details of how he was hurt in the 2013 season. I must have missed that injury.

Saying he is "brittle beyond belief" may be a bit over the top, but no one on earth can deny RGIII is injury prone. He has been seriously injured in 2 of the 3 seasons he has played in the NFL. He also tore his ACL in college. The only NFL season he wasn't hurt (2013) was basically defined by the coaching staff attempting to limit his exposure to injuries.

As far as your final comment ---- It is very hard to deny that RGIII wasn't 100% in 2013. In fact, he was most likely around 60% (if that) for the vast majority of the season. If you don't agree, I'd love to hear your thoughts on what caused his performance drop in 2013. He may not have sustained an injury in 2013, but there is no denying he was "hurt". The fact it came from one injury is irrelevant; the poster stated that he's been "hurt" in all 3 seasons --- and this is an accurate statement.

I understand you want to defend the team, but facts are facts.

Yes they are, and and you are twisting them in an attempt to make a weak argument stronger. No, Robert wasn't hurt in 2013. His performance drop was brought about by a combination of factors. His off-season was spent rehabbing, rather than working on his QB skills. His lack of confidence in the knee, only made worse by the constant reminder of wearing a bulky knee brace, caused his mechanics to suffer, usually using only his arm when making throws. The play calling totally changed due to his lack of explosion (because of said knee brace) and a desire to limit his exposure to defenses taking shots at him. As I said before, so far, he has missed only 1 start due to injury. Obviously, he is about to miss many more, but the injury prone label just does not apply in his case. Not yet, anyway.

[StorminMormon86]

I don't know if he's brittle, but to deny he's injury prone is just ignoring what's happened to him during his career. He's had 3 major injuries to his legs in about 4-5 years. The ankle was a freak injury, but an injur nonetheless.

[riggofan]

I don't know if he's brittle, but to deny he's injury prone is just ignoring what's happened to him during his career. He's had 3 major injuries to his legs in about 4-5 years. The ankle was a freak injury, but an injur nonetheless.

I just think "injury prone" is a BS label. People were saying the same thing about Orakpo for tearing his pec muscle twice. Anybody want to argue that Rak is"brittle"?

These guys are playing professional football where any player on the field is at risk of being injured every single play. Calling a guy "injury prone" is as meaningful as calling him "unlucky".

[markshark84]

Yes they are, and and you are twisting them in an attempt to make a weak argument stronger. No, Robert wasn't hurt in 2013. His performance drop was brought about by a combination of factors. His off-season was spent rehabbing, rather than working on his QB skills. His lack of confidence in the knee, only made worse by the constant reminder of wearing a bulky knee brace, caused his mechanics to suffer, usually using only his arm when making throws. The play calling totally changed due to his lack of explosion (because of said knee brace) and a desire to limit his exposure to defenses taking shots at him. As I said before, so far, he has missed only 1 start due to injury. Obviously, he is about to miss many more, but the injury prone label just does not apply in his case. Not yet, anyway.

I love how you say I am "twisting" FACTS ---- then you proceed to say he has "only" missed one game due to injury in an effort to "support" one of the weaker arguments I have seen on this forum ---- and that is saying A LOT (I was the "lone wolf" anti-Jason Campbell poster back in the day; some of the board's arguments were insanely illogical.....). So what about the other 4 he has had to leave due to injury? Or the ENTIRE season we had to endure in order for him to be rehabilitated? And what about the upcoming 5-14 games he will miss this year? Do any of those count? If he TRULY ONLY missed "1 game", we would barely have any idea what Cousins could do at the QB position.... Talk about hyprocrite.....

Again facts are facts --- Over the past 6 years, RGIII has had a major injury in 3 of them. He has 2 torns ACLs, multiple concussions (I believe, but could be only 1, I forget and don't want to go search it now), and a dislocated ankle. The problem is that the argument is just a really easy one to make right now. And your hypothesis for why he suffered a "lack of explosion" (i.e., being 100% from a knee brace) is just not accurate; there is not way around this one. RGIII went from SMOKING past secondaries in 2012 to getting caught from behind by defensive lineman in 2013 post-injury. That type of "lack of explosion" is NOT simply from a knee brace. Get real. No one on earth believes that ^#% --- especially people (like myself) who have worn similar knee braces; it doesn't limit "explosion" by >50%.

And at least you can agree that the play calling changed to limit exposure to injury --- now why did MS do that? Was it because he wasn't fully recovered? Do you think Gruden would implement the same scheme for the ENTIRE 2014 season given the circumstances?

[SkinsJock]

Opinions are like arses in that everyone has one - mine is that Griffin is not injury prone

we shall see

[Deadskins]

Yes they are, and and you are twisting them in an attempt to make a weak argument stronger. No, Robert wasn't hurt in 2013. His performance drop was brought about by a combination of factors. His off-season was spent rehabbing, rather than working on his QB skills. His lack of confidence in the knee, only made worse by the constant reminder of wearing a bulky knee brace, caused his mechanics to suffer, usually using only his arm when making throws. The play calling totally changed due to his lack of explosion (because of said knee brace) and a desire to limit his exposure to defenses taking shots at him. As I said before, so far, he has missed only 1 start due to injury. Obviously, he is about to miss many more, but the injury prone label just does not apply in his case. Not yet, anyway.

I love how you say I am "twisting" FACTS ---- then you proceed to say he has "only" missed one game due to injury in an effort to "support" one of the weaker arguments I have seen on this forum ---- and that is saying A LOT (I was the "lone wolf" anti-Jason Campbell poster back in the day; some of the board's arguments were insanely illogical.....). So what about the other 4 he has had to leave due to injury? Or the ENTIRE season we had to endure in order for him to be rehabilitated? And what about the upcoming 5-14 games he will miss this year? Do any of those count? If he TRULY ONLY missed "1 game", we would barely have any idea what Cousins could do at the QB position.... Talk about hyprocrite.....

Yes, let's talk about "hyprocrite." [sic] Here, you again have twisted facts (changing what I wrote, making false statements about prior insights, totally ignoring entire passages of my post, and not understanding the definition of words) to suit your argument. First, I said he had missed 1 START, not 1 game. That right there means I did take into account the 4 he has left due to injury. Second, you were in no way the "lone-wolf" in being anti-Jason Campbell here. If anyone deserves that title, it would be Ray-in-Austin, but there were many converts as the seasons piled up. Third, it's obvious that you hold last year's record against RGIII, but that is not only incorrect in that he only played 13 of the games (and was the QB for the only wins of the season), but the defense and STs also played a major role in the outcome. Fourth, the word "explosion" denotes the start of the running process, so yes, the knee brace could effectively kill his explosion by 50% (although if I remember correctly, in the game against Cincinnati, he had a play where he scrambled up the middle for a first down leaving their defense in his dust). Fifth, I clearly stated he was about to miss a bunch of starts, and yet you still act as if I was discounting those. And lastly, we DO barely have any idea what Cousins can do at QB. He has appeared in 8 games for the Redskins, starting 4 of those (1-3 as a starter, and 2-2 in relief). I'm all-in for Cousins right now, just as I was all-in for RGIII when he was playing. Apparently, you cannot say the same.

[SkinsJock]

Griffin has hurt his ankle and at this time it's difficult for anyone to really say how long it's going to take for him to be ready to play

it's fun to speculate on all the possibilities and that's why we're here - TO GIVE OUR OPINION

I think that the team is going to be OK without Griffin as the QB - not any better but not any worse either

we may do well with Cousins but I am confident that the FO will make sure that Griffin is fully healed and ready before he's allowed back on the field and I'm sure that Gruden is going to use the QB that gives the team the best chance at success no matter how well or how badly Cousins plays

I hope that Cousins plays really well because he's the QB for now

I fully expect Griffin to be the starting QB not long after he's cleared to practice and play

[markshark84]

Yes they are, and and you are twisting them in an attempt to make a weak argument stronger. No, Robert wasn't hurt in 2013. His performance drop was brought about by a combination of factors. His off-season was spent rehabbing, rather than working on his QB skills. His lack of confidence in the knee, only made worse by the constant reminder of wearing a bulky knee brace, caused his mechanics to suffer, usually using only his arm when making throws. The play calling totally changed due to his lack of explosion (because of said knee brace) and a desire to limit his exposure to defenses taking shots at him. As I said before, so far, he has missed only 1 start due to injury. Obviously, he is about to miss many more, but the injury prone label just does not apply in his case. Not yet, anyway.

I love how you say I am "twisting" FACTS ---- then you proceed to say he has "only" missed one game due to injury in an effort to "support" one of the weaker arguments I have seen on this forum ---- and that is saying A LOT (I was the "lone wolf" anti-Jason Campbell poster back in the day; some of the board's arguments were insanely illogical.....). So what about the other 4 he has had to leave due to injury? Or the ENTIRE season we had to endure in order for him to be rehabilitated? And what about the upcoming 5-14 games he will miss this year? Do any of those count? If he TRULY ONLY missed "1 game", we would barely have any idea what Cousins could do at the QB position.... Talk about hyprocrite.....

Yes, let's talk about "hyprocrite." [sic] Here, you again have twisted facts (changing what I wrote, making false statements about prior insights, totally ignoring entire passages of my post, and not understanding the definition of words) to suit your argument. First, I said he had missed 1 START, not 1 game. That right there means I did take into account the 4 he has left due to injury. Second, you were in no way the "lone-wolf" in being anti-Jason Campbell here. If anyone deserves that title, it would be Ray-in-Austin, but there were many converts as the seasons piled up. Third, it's obvious that you hold last year's record against RGIII, but that is not only incorrect in that he only played 13 of the games (and was the QB for the only wins of the season), but the defense and STs also played a major role in the outcome. Fourth, the word "explosion" denotes the start of the running process, so yes, the knee brace could effectively kill his explosion by 50% (although if I remember correctly, in the game against Cincinnati, he had a play where he scrambled up the middle for a first down leaving their defense in his dust). Fifth, I clearly stated he was about to miss a bunch of starts, and yet you still act as if I was discounting those. And lastly, we DO barely have any idea what Cousins can do at QB. He has appeared in 8 games for the Redskins, starting 4 of those (1-3 as a starter, and 2-2 in relief). I'm all-in for Cousins right now, just as I was all-in for RGIII when he was playing. Apparently, you cannot say the same.

Look who's got their panties in a bunch.

Contrary to your assumptions, I am actually a big RGIII fan. As it was with Campbell, you'd unequivocally know if I wasn't. That said, I'm a realistic fan --- as I always have been and gotten blasted by this board in the past because of it --- and, in many circumstances, blasted for things I ended up being 100% correct on.

I'm honestly not going to go into the entire hypocrite thing because I don't think you get it. After all, you again call me a hypocrite for something I never actually said I did or didn't do (sort of a prereq to be one) and you literally did it again within your most recent post.

This exchange brings me back to a conversation I had with a Judge early in my career. He said, I've seen jurors that won't convict even when the government shows them video of the defendant commiting the crime. I think you are one of those jurors in this circumstance. The facts are the facts. I'm not twisting them. I'm supplementing yours with MORE facts. The fact RGIII has "only" missed one game means very little when you take into consideration the fact he has missed the majority (or all) of 3 of the past 6 seasons he has played, has had to leave 4 (or more) games due to injury, and played an entire season at less than 100% -- which you still naively believe he was 100% but his lack of productivity was due to a brace (that, if he truly wasn't hurt (like this year) he would have taken off (as he did this year) in 2013 to make him more productive) and a bunch of other excuses that QBs the calibur of a healthy RGIII would have overcome.

I agree that I wasn't exactly a "lone wolf" in that Ray also agreed with my opinions -- and because of the fact it was either him against the forum or me against the forum, I respect his opinions (not only because he's in TX) more than anyone else's on the board and wish he posted more.

And the knee brace couldn't decrease his explosion by 50%. That is literally crazy talk. Like I said, I have been in one and it's not even close to a 50% reduction --- and providing one specific example (Bengals) that you yourself aren't even sure about without any support doesn't really help. Perhaps you also disagree with his #1 WR: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... ly-healthy.

Also, the 4 game comment was RHETORICAL.

If there is one thing I have learned here, it is that you aren't going to let facts get in the way of your opinion......

[Deadskins]

Look who's got their panties in a bunch.

Contrary to your assumptions, I am actually a big RGIII fan. As it was with Campbell, you'd unequivocally know if I wasn't. That said, I'm a realistic fan --- as I always have been and gotten blasted by this board in the past because of it --- and, in many circumstances, blasted for things I ended up being 100% correct on.

I'm honestly not going to go into the entire hypocrite thing because I don't think you get it. After all, you again call me a hypocrite for something I never actually said I did or didn't do (sort of a prereq to be one) and you literally did it again within your most recent post.

This exchange brings me back to a conversation I had with a Judge early in my career. He said, I've seen jurors that won't convict even when the government shows them video of the defendant commiting the crime. I think you are one of those jurors in this circumstance. The facts are the facts. I'm not twisting them. I'm supplementing yours with MORE facts. The fact RGIII has "only" missed one game means very little when you take into consideration the fact he has missed the majority (or all) of 3 of the past 6 seasons he has played, has had to leave 4 (or more) games due to injury, and played an entire season at less than 100% -- which you still naively believe he was 100% but his lack of productivity was due to a brace (that, if he truly wasn't hurt (like this year) he would have taken off (as he did this year) in 2013 to make him more productive) and a bunch of other excuses that QBs the calibur of a healthy RGIII would have overcome.

I agree that I wasn't exactly a "lone wolf" in that Ray also agreed with my opinions -- and because of the fact it was either him against the forum or me against the forum, I respect his opinions (not only because he's in TX) more than anyone else's on the board and wish he posted more.

And the knee brace couldn't decrease his explosion by 50%. That is literally crazy talk. Like I said, I have been in one and it's not even close to a 50% reduction --- and providing one specific example (Bengals) that you yourself aren't even sure about without any support doesn't really help. Perhaps you also disagree with his #1 WR: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... ly-healthy.

Also, the 4 game comment was RHETORICAL.

If there is one thing I have learned here, it is that you aren't going to let facts get in the way of your opinion......

Just because you continue to say the same thing over and over doesn't make it any more true. Read my post carefully, I respond point by point and even highlighted were you went astray, and/or misconstrued what I wrote. You do the exact same thing in this latest post. Nothing to see here. Let me know when you come up with something new.

[StorminMormon86]

It's amazing to me that people can't admit that Griffin has been injury prone during his short NFL career. He was taken out against Atlanta, knocked out against Baltimore, sat out against Cleveland, and injured himself against Seattle in 2012. No sane person can say he was fully 100% healed and ready to go in 2013, and now he's out for who knows how long after 1.1 games this year. And it's not just a bunch of posters on message boards saying these things, it's analysts, radio talking heads, GM's around the league, etc. But that doesn't mean he isn't tough or "brittle". It is what it is. He gets hurt a lot.

[riggofan]

It's amazing to me that people can't admit that Griffin has been injury prone during his short NFL career. He was taken out against Atlanta, knocked out against Baltimore, sat out against Cleveland, and injured himself against Seattle in 2012. No sane person can say he was fully 100% healed and ready to go in 2013, and now he's out for who knows how long after 1.1 games this year. And it's not just a bunch of posters on message boards saying these things, it's analysts, radio talking heads, GM's around the league, etc. But that doesn't mean he isn't tough or "brittle". It is what it is. He gets hurt a lot.

I'm not arguing that he's had a history of injuries, but what does that label "injury prone" even MEAN? Are you saying he was more likely to have dislocated his ankle on that play last weekend because he tore his ACL previously? Or because he had been injured in college? Or because he had been knocked out of the Baltimore game?

This will be Aaron Rodger's tenth year in the NFL. 2006 he was on the IR with a foot. 2007 he was out with a hamstring. 2010 concussion. 2013 out with a collarbone. That's nearly half his NFL career he's had significant injuries. He's played all sixteen games only THREE times. So is he injury prone? Or is he a guy who plays a risky position in a dangerous sport?

I'm not debating whether RGIII is "injury prone" or not. People are just stating it like its a meaningful label. I think its only meaningful if/when the injuries have piled up and affected a player's ability. RGIII is still a young guy, and I don't know if that's the case.

[markshark84]

Look who's got their panties in a bunch.

Contrary to your assumptions, I am actually a big RGIII fan. As it was with Campbell, you'd unequivocally know if I wasn't. That said, I'm a realistic fan --- as I always have been and gotten blasted by this board in the past because of it --- and, in many circumstances, blasted for things I ended up being 100% correct on.

I'm honestly not going to go into the entire hypocrite thing because I don't think you get it. After all, you again call me a hypocrite for something I never actually said I did or didn't do (sort of a prereq to be one) and you literally did it again within your most recent post.

This exchange brings me back to a conversation I had with a Judge early in my career. He said, I've seen jurors that won't convict even when the government shows them video of the defendant commiting the crime. I think you are one of those jurors in this circumstance. The facts are the facts. I'm not twisting them. I'm supplementing yours with MORE facts. The fact RGIII has "only" missed one game means very little when you take into consideration the fact he has missed the majority (or all) of 3 of the past 6 seasons he has played, has had to leave 4 (or more) games due to injury, and played an entire season at less than 100% -- which you still naively believe he was 100% but his lack of productivity was due to a brace (that, if he truly wasn't hurt (like this year) he would have taken off (as he did this year) in 2013 to make him more productive) and a bunch of other excuses that QBs the calibur of a healthy RGIII would have overcome.

I agree that I wasn't exactly a "lone wolf" in that Ray also agreed with my opinions -- and because of the fact it was either him against the forum or me against the forum, I respect his opinions (not only because he's in TX) more than anyone else's on the board and wish he posted more.

And the knee brace couldn't decrease his explosion by 50%. That is literally crazy talk. Like I said, I have been in one and it's not even close to a 50% reduction --- and providing one specific example (Bengals) that you yourself aren't even sure about without any support doesn't really help. Perhaps you also disagree with his #1 WR: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... ly-healthy.

Also, the 4 game comment was RHETORICAL.

If there is one thing I have learned here, it is that you aren't going to let facts get in the way of your opinion......

Just because you continue to say the same thing over and over doesn't make it any more true. Read my post carefully, I respond point by point and even highlighted were you went astray, and/or misconstrued what I wrote. You do the exact same thing in this latest post. Nothing to see here. Let me know when you come up with something new.

When I am correct in something, I don't find it necessary to change my initial points. You did.

The fact you highlight things doesn't mean they are wrong, they just mean you don't want to believe them..... or you don't understand my response.

[EA7649]

It looks like we have a perfect time to have a bye week. He'll have a brace for 10 days and rehab 4-6 weeks. The bet week is in 8 games. 1 week off bc the bye and he can return in 10 weeks, depending how great cousins is playing.

[riggofan]

It looks like we have a perfect time to have a bye week. He'll have a brace for 10 days and rehab 4-6 weeks. The bet week is in 8 games. 1 week off bc the bye and he can return in 10 weeks, depending how great cousins is playing.

hah. I like how you wrote "depending how great cousins is playing". Optimism!

I'll be happy for Griffin if he's able to return this season. No doubt he's feeling the pressure, but I hope he learned the lesson from rushing back last year. Get healthy, man!

[StorminMormon86]

It's amazing to me that people can't admit that Griffin has been injury prone during his short NFL career. He was taken out against Atlanta, knocked out against Baltimore, sat out against Cleveland, and injured himself against Seattle in 2012. No sane person can say he was fully 100% healed and ready to go in 2013, and now he's out for who knows how long after 1.1 games this year. And it's not just a bunch of posters on message boards saying these things, it's analysts, radio talking heads, GM's around the league, etc. But that doesn't mean he isn't tough or "brittle". It is what it is. He gets hurt a lot.

I'm not arguing that he's had a history of injuries, but what does that label "injury prone" even MEAN? Are you saying he was more likely to have dislocated his ankle on that play last weekend because he tore his ACL previously? Or because he had been injured in college? Or because he had been knocked out of the Baltimore game?

This will be Aaron Rodger's tenth year in the NFL. 2006 he was on the IR with a foot. 2007 he was out with a hamstring. 2010 concussion. 2013 out with a collarbone. That's nearly half his NFL career he's had significant injuries. He's played all sixteen games only THREE times. So is he injury prone? Or is he a guy who plays a risky position in a dangerous sport?

I'm not debating whether RGIII is "injury prone" or not. People are just stating it like its a meaningful label. I think its only meaningful if/when the injuries have piled up and affected a player's ability. RGIII is still a young guy, and I don't know if that's the case.

You can't compare Rodgers to Griffin. Griffin hasn't played a full season, and this is ONLY his third year. And you really don't think the injury from 2012 hampered Griffin's play for 2013? And possibly if/when he comes back this year?