Start Cousins & Try To Make Playoffs

[DarthMonk]

Have any of us seen any practices? Did the Griffin against New Orleans two years ago look anything like the preseason version before that game?

Didn't Gruden say it would be foolish to take Robert's legs away? Isn't that exactly what he has done this preseason?

How about we take our ROTY and let him play a healthy year with this assembled talent and make the playoffs?

Pump the brakes.

[emoses14]

Have any of us seen any practices? Did the Griffin against New Orleans two years ago look anything like the preseason version before that game?

Didn't Gruden say it would be foolish to take Robert's legs away? Isn't that exactly what he has done this preseason?

How about we take our ROTY and let him play a healthy year with this assembled talent and make the playoffs?

Pump the brakes.

NO! Hot taeks must be had immediately. If you can't dismiss a first round draft pick one year removed from his Roty campaign after 2 bad preseason performances, in a new offense without reservation you are a BLIND SHEEP! Harrumph harrumph harrumph.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I'm not accusing anyone here of not being a Redskins fan. I know we all are and we all want our team to succeed. That should be a given.

However, I just cannot deny what I can clearly see. It's so obvious to me. I don't WANT Griffin to fail, but I cannot deny what I have seen... over and over. Griffin is failing, and will continue to fail and frustrate because he's simply not an NFL-caliber quarterback. To me, it is so blatantly clear. He might maintain a back-up qb role somewhere, but Griffin is no starter and barely an NFL-level QB. Washington had a chance for a perfect new franchise QB with Andrew Luck and Shanny picked the lemon. I just hope and pray they don't make excuses for Griffin staying and playing very long. I already see this season's excuses warming-up. I'm also not insisting that KC is the savior! I actually don't think he is. I do think he's a better potential NFL QB than Griffin. I don't want either if them to perform poorly. Griffin is what he is... a good college running quarterback, not an NFL QB.

Griffin is far from failing...
Even in a preseason perspective other starters havent faired well, but arent throwing in the towel. Im used to the Griff haters aswell as the the back up is better then the starter nonsense. .. Just dont like blatant exaggeration of his play, in meaninglessness games nonetheless.
When he is breaking records (again) and tearing up the division (again) will you pretend like youve stood by him all the while?

Eh, fwiw (like I care) we had no chance at Luck- the colts gave away their perennial probowler and sucked for luck- not even 5 firsts wouldve been enoufg to talk them out of that pick I can assure you that much.

[FLWSkin]

Yeah, I think the whole, we aren't trading the first pick even if someone offers us three whole drafts that the Colts did kinda really put us in a position NOT to get Luck no matter what. Revisionist history at its' finest to say Shanny blew it by not getting Luck.

[StorminMormon86]

Oh God that's the new line, "we should have gotten Luck". We were never getting Luck. Get over it.

[SkinsJock]

thankfully this will not take long - 12 days to go ...

there is no way Gruden would be staying with RG3 as his QB if he and Sean had seen any evidence that Cousins might be the better QB

very soon, we're all going to see that these 2 coaches know a little more than we do about this game

[Irn-Bru]

Oh God that's the new line, "we should have gotten Luck". We were never getting Luck. Get over it.

Yes. Saying we had a chance to pick him is ridiculous. It was either Griffin or Tannehill for us, and Griffin only if we made the trade.

[Irn-Bru]

My opinion on this subject, by the way, is that we should start Griffin and try to make the playoffs. I don't think anyone is preemptively claiming that this season is for Griffin to learn the ropes except for the haters.

[DarthMonk]

I think the Skins might be a playoff team with Cousins, these receivers & running backs, defense & special teams but not with Griffin. They should start Cousins because he can execute the offense and utilize all the weapons they've assembled, Griffin hasn't shown any ability to be effective in this offense.

It would be a shame to waste the opportunity to compete for a division and maybe more with all this talent by using the season to have Griffin repeat Pocket Passing 101, the course he failed last season. Blame instructor Shanny if you want but it was Griffin that failed to learn the material. Thus far Griffin isn't effective for Instructor Gruden, maybe the pupil just doesn't have the mental processing ability to become a pocket passer.


I''d rather see them start Cousins who has the mental part it down, a respectable arm and is ready to go now. Can Cousins be successful? I think a decisive, accurate QB like Cousins could clean up. I don't want to hear about how things went last year because he didn't have these receivers last season, he'd have lots of open targets this time. Nor do I want to hear any BS about some ceiling you imagine this guy has after 4 starts because we've all seen after 28 starts that Griffin doesn't have an acceptable floor running Gruden's pocket passing offense, Griffin sucks. He is confused, indecisive, too slow and makes bad decision, Griffin is a sack machine and drive killer.

If Cousins fails to get them to the playoffs and they are eliminated then start Pocket Passing 101 for Griffin and try once more to teach him how to function in a pocket, but please don't waste a fresh season on this fools errand. The Skins wasted 2013 trying to get him effective in the pocket and the entire off season and he's clearly uncomfortable and ineffective, it might not be within him, I know it's not within me to waste fall Sundays watching a repeat of 2013.

I agree with several points your posts make (and have made) but they tend to go over the top. For example:

Griffin hasn't shown any ability to be effective in this offense.

This is simply not true.

Just sayin'.

Still glad you're on board.

Do you want Griff to show well?

Just askin'.

[riggofan]

I just strained my eyes rolling them. Redskins fans are becoming a parody of themselves.

[Mirttinur]

RG3 had one great season as a rookie, and one awful season while wearing a knee brace and recovering from an ACL tear. That's really not a bad track record, let's not completely overreact because of preseason. Cousins has looked good getting the receivers the ball in space in the preseason, but he's been up and down as a starter in his career. Let's give RG3 a shot to play again healthy and see what he can do.

[Deadskins]

RG3 had one great season as a rookie, and one awful season while wearing a knee brace and recovering from an ACL tear.

The stats beg to differ.

[Mirttinur]

RG3 had one great season as a rookie, and one awful season while wearing a knee brace and recovering from an ACL tear.

The stats beg to differ.

What stats say last season wasn't awful? PFF graded him as one of the worst QBs in the league.

[Kilmer72]

Roberts stats http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/i ... rt-griffin

Andew Luck stats http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/i ... ndrew-luck

Russel Wilson Stats http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/i ... ell-wilson

We seem to forget that Robert was coming off an injury that really should have sidelined him for the year. Yet he did way better than most of the rest in the stats compartment. Who cares? That was last year. Has he played a game that counts this year? That's what I thought. Please have a little couth or pretend you have it.

You haven't put up your quicky Avatar up yet? You should be well rehearsed by now.

[Deadskins]

RG3 had one great season as a rookie, and one awful season while wearing a knee brace and recovering from an ACL tear.

The stats beg to differ.

What stats say last season wasn't awful? PFF graded him as one of the worst QBs in the league.

You got a link to back that up, or did you just pull that PFF reference out of your butt?

[Kilmer72]

Haters and bigots in this world. There are some out there that get a lift from demoralising others. Unfortunately, some of these people do not know that they are harming. I have to walk a fine line when dealing with them because I expect them to have some intellect. Then again I have my own faults. Which are many but I do know right from wrong.

[SKINS#1]

RGIII has proved he is very good at running the read/option offense but not a pocket QB. I am not sure what to expect, unless he improves his pocket QB skills, should the Redskins adjust and run the read/option which seems to better fit his skill set.

[SkinsJock]

RGIII has proved he is very good at running the read/option offense but not a pocket QB. I am not sure what to expect, unless he improves his pocket QB skills, should the Redskins adjust and run the read/option which seems to better fit his skill set.

why not let the people that have a better idea than we do make the decision ... it's fun to discuss the team and the possibilities but for some here to spout forth the BS that is posted and to intimate that nobody has any idea of what is going on is just ludicrous

I am very confident that Jay was brought here to help get the offense going and there is no doubt that he's had a lot of time to see the players he's got and who will best help he and Sean get something going here - we should give them time and give them the benefit of the doubt for a few weeks - if after the first few games we're still looking as terrible as some think we are going to be, we can call for help

until then some of the fans here need to just chill and let these guys do their job

[Cappster]

The 2nd string quarterback is always the most popular guy in town when the starter isn't playing well. I've been critical of Robert for his play, but he is our best option at quarterback! He is being asked to do things mentally that seemingly he has never been asked to do. It will take a little time for him to get the offense down, but starting Cousins is not the answer.

[Kilmer72]

RGIII has proved he is very good at running the read/option offense but not a pocket QB. I am not sure what to expect, unless he improves his pocket QB skills, should the Redskins adjust and run the read/option which seems to better fit his skill set.

why not let the people that have a better idea than we do make the decision ... it's fun to discuss the team and the possibilities but for some here to spout forth the BS that is posted and to intimate that nobody has any idea of what is going on is just ludicrous

I am very confident that Jay was brought here to help get the offense going and there is no doubt that he's had a lot of time to see the players he's got and who will best help he and Sean get something going here - we should give them time and give them the benefit of the doubt for a few weeks - if after the first few games we're still looking as terrible as some think we are going to be, we can call for help

until then some of the fans here need to just chill and let these guys do their job

Give them time? That might make sense. We cant be waiting for results here. We have have to theorize. Speculating is the way to go. Obviously we know more than the pros. What do they know anyway? All is lost. Bet on everyone else please.

[FLWSkin]

How about "give them time in the regular season"? Who here thinks coach is showing ANY of the real playbook? I don't. I read somewhere(sorry, I don't remember where) that Gruden was calling plays that he wanted Griff to work on. Remember all the stuff about using Giff's mobility to stress the D? Seen any of that yet? No. I don't know what's going to happen, and don't pretend to, but I do know that I'm not going to worry until about half way through the season.

[Kilmer72]

How about "give them time in the regular season"? Who here thinks coach is showing ANY of the real playbook? I don't. I read somewhere(sorry, I don't remember where) that Gruden was calling plays that he wanted Griff to work on. Remember all the stuff about using Giff's mobility to stress the D? Seen any of that yet? No. I don't know what's going to happen, and don't pretend to, but I do know that I'm not going to worry until about half way through the season.

You are showing intelligence and that is not allowed. You are supposed to think that the end of the Redskin regime is near and an uprisal is coming soon.

[emoses14]

I'm going to just leave this here:

Kirk Cousins isn't a better QB than Robert Griffin

An old saying demands that statistics not get in the way of a good argument. For the belligerent crowd that agrees, there's rarely anyway to change opinion. For others that look to advanced metrics for guidance, the evidence can paint a clear picture. In the case of the Redskins quarterback, the numbers show Robert Griffin III at a clear advantage over Kirk Cousins.

Of all the signal callers with at least 150 pass attempts in 2013, Cousins ranked dead last in Passer Rating at 58.4. Behind Cousins came the Jets' Geno Smith at 66.5 and the Raiders' Terrelle Pryor at 69.1. Griffin came in at 82.2 . . .

Cousins ranked as the worst for Pass Completion Percentage at 52.2 percent, narrowly edging out Cleveland's Brandon Weeden 52.8.

Yards-per-Pass-Attempt has become a good measure to determine how explosive a quarterback runs his offense. Nick Foles led the NFL. . . On the opposite end of the spectrum? Kirk Cousins.

Read the whole thing, please, then come talk to me about "Start Cousins & Try to Make Playoffs." I can not believe this thread has this many replies.

[FLWSkin]

How about "give them time in the regular season"? Who here thinks coach is showing ANY of the real playbook? I don't. I read somewhere(sorry, I don't remember where) that Gruden was calling plays that he wanted Griff to work on. Remember all the stuff about using Giff's mobility to stress the D? Seen any of that yet? No. I don't know what's going to happen, and don't pretend to, but I do know that I'm not going to worry until about half way through the season.

You are showing intelligence and that is not allowed. You are supposed to think that the end of the Redskin regime is near and an uprisal is coming soon.

It's a flaw....I'll work on it.

[Countertrey]

Washington had a chance for a perfect new franchise QB with Andrew Luck and Shanny picked the lemon.

Ummm... the Bizarro universe just called... they want their reality back.

The Redskins NEVER had a chance at Luck. Are you in Colorado, by any chance?