Pierre Garcon

[Deadskins]

the Redskins were blitzed more times than any other team last year - the reason being, the O line was horrible

Um, no. We were the least blitzed team the year before with the exact same line. It's the inability of the QB to make defenses pay that was the difference.

[SkinsJock]

the Redskins were blitzed more times than any other team last year - the reason being, the O line was horrible

Um, no. We were the least blitzed team the year before with the exact same line. It's the inability of the QB to make defenses pay that was the difference.

No! - where do you get your information?

and Pierre combined with that same QB to set a franchise record for receptions ...

we need a lot of things and the O line is not the biggest problem but it's a concern, IMO

RG3 will be healthy and the weapons he has will be a lot more effective when we find a way to replace 4 of the starters from last season with players that might have a chance of playing for any other NFL franchise - last season's O line sucked most of the year - offensive stats don't show that we were playing behind almost all year long

we're going to be OK offensively - IMO, it will take more than 1 season to be a top 5 offense

however

I'm a lot more confident in Scott and Jay than I was with Kyle and Mike who won 3 games and went 0-6 in the NFC East

[Deadskins]

the Redskins were blitzed more times than any other team last year - the reason being, the O line was horrible

Um, no. We were the least blitzed team the year before with the exact same line. It's the inability of the QB to make defenses pay that was the difference.

No! - where do you get your information?

So, you don't agree that if defenses aren't made to pay for blitzing, then they won't stop doing it on their own? RGIII's threat as a runner, and getting the ball out ahead of the rush is what stops defenses from blitzing. My guess is that you're going to think this same line has magically returned to their 2012 form by midway through this season.

[SkinsJock]

NO! - I pointed out that the offense last season was blitzed more than any other and you said "Um, no.." ...

[SkinsJock]

it's hard to imagine that even if last year's O line was on the field this season it would be as bad ...

Scott and Jay will not have the same game planning and will have RG3 better prepared to run a pro style offense and not the gimmicky stuff we all saw last season - they will better utilize all of the players on offense - RG3 will get an opportunity to progress as an NFL style QB and not be an extension of his college playing as Mike & Kyle had him playing

I just don't see them being a top 5 offense is all

[riggofan]

the Redskins were blitzed more times than any other team last year - the reason being, the O line was horrible

Um, no. We were the least blitzed team the year before with the exact same line. It's the inability of the QB to make defenses pay that was the difference.

EXACTLY. I don't know if we were the least blitzed team or not in 2012, but its pretty clear that the wounded RGIII in 2013 greatly affected the offensive line. And not just the fact that he wasn't a running threat. He wasn't throwing especially well last year either.

SJ is complaining about stats and is now pointing to RGIII/Garcon's performance last year as evidence that they were somehow good? Huh? The only reason Garcon set a reception record last year is that he was basically the only guy RGIII had to throw it to. Not to mention the number of games we were down three or four TDs and had no choice but to throw the ball all over the place. Good grief, man. We all watched those games.

RG3 will be healthy and the weapons he has will be a lot more effective when we find a way to replace 4 of the starters from last season with players that might have a chance of playing for any other NFL franchise - last season's O line sucked most of the year - offensive stats don't show that we were playing behind almost all year long

We just replaced Will Montgomery. He was immediately signed by the Broncos and competing for a starting job. Weirdly there are a top five defense. Go figure.

Anyway, SJ might be completely right that the o-line isn't up to the job this year. I just think there is a lot more to it than just "we need to replace everybody but Trent". The guys we have can play better and can be put in a position to be successful with better QB play, better WR play, better special teams and defense play.

[SkinsJock]

I'm going to wait and see

I'm not "right" or "wrong" - I'm just concerned because no QB could have done much behind the line we had last year

I'm glad you guys are OK with it - I'm not ...

[DarthMonk]

NO! - I pointed out that the offense last season was blitzed more than any other and you said "Um, no.." ...

The "Um, no" was not about the fact that we were the most blitzed team last year ... it was about your reason. You said it was because the line was horrible. The Deadman is saying that was not the reason. His evidence is that the same line was the least blitzed a year earlier. The Deadman's REASON for the extra blitzing was the inability of the QB to make those defenses pay for their high blitz rate.

Did I read that right, Deadman?

Interestingly, it's not necessarily about mobility. See P. Manning.

Aaron Rogers does not have a very good line.

Chip Kelly says every sack is the QB's fault. We may not agree but that is how one coach sees it.

Having said all that, I'd sure like to see our line get better.

BTW - Jackson is our Z and Garcon is our X.

[riggofan]

I'm going to wait and see

I'm not "right" or "wrong" - I'm just concerned because no QB could have done much behind the line we had last year

Let me fix that statement for you:

"I'm just concerned because no QB could have done much behind the line we had last year except when RGIII did it the year before."

There you go, all better.

[SkinsJock]

like I said - I'm glad that you guys think the O line is going to be OK

based on the effort put forth by the O line last season - I think we need to replace everyone except TW and that will take time

we'll get an early indiction in a couple of weeks

[Deadskins]

NO! - I pointed out that the offense last season was blitzed more than any other and you said "Um, no.." ...

Um, no. I said, "Um, no." to you reasoning that we were the most blitzed due to the O-line being so bad. I then gave you imperical evidence showing your assertion to be unfounded.

[Deadskins]

NO! - I pointed out that the offense last season was blitzed more than any other and you said "Um, no.." ...

The "Um, no" was not about the fact that we were the most blitzed team last year ... it was about your reason. You said it was because the line was horrible. The Deadman is saying that was not the reason. His evidence is that the same line was the least blitzed a year earlier. The Deadman's REASON for the extra blitzing was the inability of the QB to make those defenses pay for their high blitz rate.

Did I read that right, Deadman?

Interestingly, it's not necessarily about mobility. See P. Manning.

Aaron Rogers does not have a very good line.

Chip Kelly says every sack is the QB's fault. We may not agree but that is how one coach sees it.

Having said all that, I'd sure like to see our line get better.

BTW - Jackson is our Z and Garcon is our X.

Yes, you are correct. You are also correct in saying that the QB making the defense pay for blitzing, does not necessarily mean scrambling. It can mean getting the ball out faster, and being accurate in the face of pressure, while making the correct read.

[langleyparkjoe]

OLine was crap in '12 and in '13.. Only difference was that RG3 was beastmode in '12 and made our OLine look "ok".

[SkinsJock]

O Line was crap in '12 and in '13.. Only difference was that RG3 was beastmode in '12 and made our O Line look "ok".

thanks - you can take it from here ...

the good news is that Mike and Kyle are gone - these guys will do a better job

and, IMO - they will shortly replace everyone except Trent ...

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

O Line was crap in '12 and in '13.. Only difference was that RG3 was beastmode in '12 and made our O Line look "ok".

thanks - you can take it from here ...

the good news is that Mike and Kyle are gone - these guys will do a better job

and, IMO - they will shortly replace everyone except Trent ...

Umm.. lpj is saying exactly what we have been.. RG3 makes the line better when he is 100%.. better play from our wr core will help the line as well.
While the unit needs to improve I think we have more to work with then just TW. Hopefully our Rooks can contribute and maybe one of the fa signings fights for a starting spot. At the very least I see our depth being much better then it was 2 years ago

[yupchagee]

the Redskins were blitzed more times than any other team last year - the reason being, the O line was horrible

we had a WR set records for catches and yet we only won 3 games

I want an effective offense not a statistically great offense

stats are for fantasy football not real football

This puts the "non" in non sequiter. There is less need to blitz a really bad OL, a 4 man rush will be plenty.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Common sense is uncommon on the internet guys... lets take it easy

[SkinsJock]

Common sense is uncommon on the internet guys ... lets take it easy

on that we certainly agree - back at ya bro

[riggofan]

O Line was crap in '12 and in '13.. Only difference was that RG3 was beastmode in '12 and made our O Line look "ok".

thanks - you can take it from here ...

the good news is that Mike and Kyle are gone - these guys will do a better job

and, IMO - they will shortly replace everyone except Trent ...

Umm.. lpj is saying exactly what we have been.. RG3 makes the line better when he is 100%..

lol All I can do is shake my head.

When yuchagee wrote: "RGIII's health should help the O-line."

SJ says: "How does that work exactly?"

Now LPJ says: "Only difference was that RG3 was beastmode in '12 and made our O Line look "ok"."

And SJ is in applauding the wisdom of his statement like it just proved everything he has been saying.

Moving on...

[SkinsJock]

O Line was crap in '12 and in '13 .. Only difference was that RG3 was beastmode in '12 and made our O Line look "ok".

I'll agree with that - hopefully the line will be better than "OK" this season + I'm looking forward to it being a lot better in 2015

I have no doubt that RG3 will be great - the O line is a concern (maybe just to me) but it will get better with time