Friday night draft discussion

[funbuncher]

bad value, ignored need, typical

[Kilmer72]

Any chance he could be an ILB?

[44diesel]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/ ... id=2543503

Don't know much about him. I liked his highlights reel and the remarks about his high motor. He led the country in sacks last year (15).
I'm curious to see how they spend that extra 3rd rounder.

[Countertrey]

Not excited about the Murphy pick. Likely would have been able to pick him up in the third. Don't know why they felt the need to pick him up here. Hopefully he turns out to be a player.

We do love to reach for players. Remember the Lerebus pick?

Not a reach... several projections had him going at around 50... so this is about right.

[Countertrey]

Any chance he could be an ILB?

He was used as a joker, so he can play inside... smart player, understands the game, high motor... a lot like Fletcher... only bigger.

[Neo]

Any chance he could be an ILB?

I think he's versatile enough to be. Not sure how much he's been used on special teams but he could probably contribute there too.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Kind of underwhelmed about this pick... we have rob Jackson to replace know of the starters and.. Ya don't really see the need nor the SPA being fulfilled here

[Neo]

Kind of underwhelmed about this pick... we have rob Jackson to replace know of the starters and.. Ya don't really see the need nor the SPA being fulfilled here

If we get Morgan Moses in the 3rd I'd be feeling pretty good about our draft thus far. Unless I'm overlooking a better lineman.

[Kilmer72]

These are the same guys that picked Morris... That was not a Mike pick according to WAPO.... If they like him at Inside then this was a good pick. That was a need and BPA for their needs. We don't have the luxury of taking BPA OVERALL. Excellent choice at filling a spot.

[The Hogster]

Buffalo takes Kouandjio at 44.

Why, healthwise his knees were at the first jam session of The Grateful Dead. Bill Kruetzmann........He's got Bill Kruetzmann's knees

Do you know something about Billy's knees that I don't?

Just that they're 68 years old.

Per at least one report, the ACL tear he suffered isn't the issue, nor is his short term prognosis. But, he has a degenerative knee condition. Was said on SportsTalk 980 in DC that he has the knees of an old man.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Is round 3 tonight too??

[Neo]

Is round 3 tonight too??

Yes sir!

[Countertrey]

Just that they're 68 years old.

Per at least one report, the ACL tear he suffered isn't the issue, nor is his short term prognosis. But, he has a degenerative knee condition. Was said on SportsTalk 980 in DC that he has the knees of an old man.

... so, Doc Andrews says his knees are fine... but the anonymous radio expert is dead on?

[Deadskins]

Just that they're 68 years old.

Per at least one report, the ACL tear he suffered isn't the issue, nor is his short term prognosis. But, he has a degenerative knee condition. Was said on SportsTalk 980 in DC that he has the knees of an old man.

... so, Doc Andrews says his knees are fine... but the anonymous radio expert is dead on?

I see what you did there.

[The Hogster]

Just that they're 68 years old.

Per at least one report, the ACL tear he suffered isn't the issue, nor is his short term prognosis. But, he has a degenerative knee condition. Was said on SportsTalk 980 in DC that he has the knees of an old man.

... so, Doc Andrews says his knees are fine... but the anonymous radio expert is dead on?

Doc Andrews also called RGIII superhuman. He also didn't do the initial surgery that wrecked his knee. He looked at his MRI at the request of University of Alabama. Ever heard of a paycheck? Andrews is based in --- you guessed it--Alabama. He failed several physicals at the combine as well which is why he fell to the 2nd round. Research much?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24470778/dr-james-andrews-says-no-issues-with-cyrus-kouandjios-knee

[The Hogster]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24470778/dr-james-andrews-says-no-issues-with-cyrus-kouandjios-knee

Dr. James Andrews is sending a medical update to every NFL team to clear up what he calls misinformation about the health of Alabama tackle Cyrus Kouandjio.

A report during the NFL combine indicated that Kouandjio, a potential first-round pick, had failed several physicals in Indianapolis as a result of a "failed" surgery on his knee in college.

Andrews, who did not perform Kouandjio's surgery, dismissed the notion that the surgery was botched and has continued to evaluate the player regularly as he continues his training for Alabama's pro day (Andrews works closely with the Alabama program and has been abreast of the tackle's knee since he arrived on campus).

Kouandjio's performance at the combine was poor -- something he has acknowledged to those close to him and that he is aiming to overcome as he works out for teams in the future. But the tackle's showing was unrelated to his knee, according to Andrews as well as Alabama team doctor Lyle Cain, who performed the surgery. Both doctors stated that since completing his rehab for the ACL/MCL surgery in his freshman year there have been no setbacks, no issues with swelling and that Kouandjio not only played in every game but did not miss a single practice and did not have to spend time in the training room for additional treatment since being cleared to return to practice in the spring of 2012.

During the combine NFL Network reported that the junior was failing physicals and referred to the surgery and the status of his knee subsequent to it as "ugly."

"I wrote a letter to send to every team about his true medical history," Andrews told CBSSports.com. "I'm trying to put out fires that aren't even justified and to clear the record, I guess, is the best way to put it. It came out he had a failed ACL surgery -- that's not even close to the truth. His performance at the combine had nothing to do with his knee situation, and that was blown way out of proportion and that's not fair to the kid.

"First of all, at the combine, there are 36 independent doctors and trainers making their own conclusions in a numerical system about how they rate each player relative to their previous injuries and concerns. There is no way in the world someone could say Cyrus failed the physical. He has some wear patterns on the knee that are consistent with someone who is that big, and who plays that position and who had the procedure Cyrus underwent. That surgical procedure was anything but a failure. I examined him again this week after he was working out and he's able to do all the work outs and everything since the bowl game and he's had no trouble with his knee."

Andrews said the "wear patterns" on the knee are similar to what was shown on X-rays of Kouandjio's knee upon his arrival at Alabama, even before the surgery performed in his freshman year.

"He has pretty much the same wear patterns he had the whole time at Alabama," Andrews said. "This is now his junior year, and there hasn't been any changes with his knee. He had a fresh injury to the ACL and MCL as a freshman and that had to be operated on, and that surgery has been perfectly fine and played two years at Alabama, every game and every practice with no problems whatsoever.

"These types of patterns are real common on those big guys, real common. We see it out of high school, already, with all the lifting and impact work they do. It's unfortunate, but that's what's happening out there and this kid really had no trouble with it the whole time he was at Alabama."

Cain said he was "shocked" by the NFL Network report, and, when he first heard of it, was immediately fearful because he assumed Kouandjio must have suffered a new injury to his knee while working out in Indianapolis. Obviously, that was not the case, and while some teams have some apprehension about the potential for arthritic conditions to eventually set in on the tackle, which can lead to a lower grade on the scale of 1-5 that teams apply to prospects at the combine, Cain said that no teams "failed" Kouandjio and would have no reason to.

"He hasn't had any problems with his knee," Cain said. "And from a functional standpoint, all the people there and who have seen Cyrus play -- although he may not have had the workout there at the combine he hoped to have -- it's not a knee issue. He really hasn't had any treatment on it, because there haven't been any issues.

"He has a little bit of cartilage wear in his knee, but that's such a common finding in an NFL draft-able player, it's really a non-story, but with him having not an optimal workout I guess that's why this misinformation is out there. He tore it in the fall of his freshman year -- the fall of 2011 -- and by the spring of 2012 he was cleared for spring practice and pretty well completely functional and we really haven't had a problem or a diagnostic issue since 2012. It's been almost two years.

"He's had no swelling, no pain, and if you talk to Cyrus he'll tell you he feels better than he has in two or three years. He's never had to have his knee drained. He's never had to have treatment. He's really been asymptomatic."

Kouandjio was projected as a first-round pick prior to his combine showing, and, given his performance at Alabama against big-time competition and his combination of size (6-foot-6, 311 pounds), his stock could still rise between now and the draft based on his meetings and workouts. Several teams have a glaring need at his position, and the run on tackles will start early, led by Auburn's Greg Robinson, who had an outstanding showing at the combine.

[Countertrey]

Moses

[Deadskins]

Morgan Moses

[DarthMonk]

Moses! I'm so happy!

[Deadskins]

Just that they're 68 years old.

Per at least one report, the ACL tear he suffered isn't the issue, nor is his short term prognosis. But, he has a degenerative knee condition. Was said on SportsTalk 980 in DC that he has the knees of an old man.

... so, Doc Andrews says his knees are fine... but the anonymous radio expert is dead on?

Doc Andrews also called RGIII superhuman. He also didn't do the initial surgery that wrecked his knee. He looked at his MRI at the request of University of Alabama. Ever heard of a paycheck? Andrews is based in --- you guessed it--Alabama. He failed several physicals at the combine as well which is why he fell to the 2nd round. Research much?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24470778/dr-james-andrews-says-no-issues-with-cyrus-kouandjios-knee

What in that article disagrees with CT's point?

[The Hogster]

And that folks is why fans aren't GMs. Fans complained about the trade down because they wanted Moses at the top of the 2nd. We got the NCAA sack leader another 3rd round pick....and still got Morgan Moses.

[Countertrey]

Hogster... you realize that article doesn't support your assertions, don't you?

[Countertrey]

Moses! I'm so happy!

Yeah... this is a good deal... Doesn't hurt that he's a Redskins fan...

[The Hogster]

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What in that article disagrees with CT's point?[/quote]

If you R E A D it, Dr. Andrews plainly admits that Cyrus' knee is worn down, but he says it's common for men of his size to have worn down knees due to the amount of force, weight etc. Dr. Andrews is refuting Ian Rappaport's report that Cyrus failed physicals at the combine due to a botched surgery to repair a torn ACL and MCL. Which isn't true. He's fine from that. But, he has worn down knees. The kind of wear you see in old people.

[The Hogster]

Hogster... you realize that article doesn't support your assertions, don't you?

Reading is fundamental for most of us. Dr. Andrews admits in the article that he has visible wear on his knees and that his poor combine physicals on a numerical scale were due to the degenerative deterioration on his knees. Not the blown surgery as reported. Read first. Talk second. Or do you want me to put crayon around where he says it. I highlighted it in yellow. But magic marker might work better. Let me know.