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Man, I am SO ready. I can't wait to see what we do on Friday.

Rich Tandler had a pretty good article this morning with five "surprise" picks the Skins could make. Good stuff:

CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State—This would be a surprise for the Redskins because not many expect him to be here at this point. But he does not seem to be as solidly in the top 25 as he was right after the combine and he could slide to the Redskins at 34.

CB Marcus Roberson, Florida—A few injuries, most notably a knee injury, hampered him last year. If the Redskins have him with a clean medical slate he could be their second-round pick.

WR Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State—Some would view this as a reach, some might view it as a steal. Everyone would be wondering why the Redskins spent their top pick on yet other wide receiver to go with Pierre Garçon and the two free agents they signed. But at 6-5 Benjamin has the size the other receivers lack and Jay Gruden may want that element badly enough to persuade Bruce Allen to pull the trigger here.

DE Dee Ford, Auburn—A lot of people are saying that the Redskins might want to get an edge rusher in case they can’t bring back Brian Orakpo. But I think most of those people would be surprised if it actually happens. You can sub DE Kony Ealy of Missouri or ILB Jeremiah Attaochu of Georgia Tech in this slot as well.

G Billy Turner, North Dakota State—He started for three years at tackle in college but he’s probably best suited to play inside. Turner is the combination of size (6-5, 315) and athletic ability that Gruden is looking for along the line and he might be the best player that no one has ever heard of.


Here's my question for this thread. What do you think we can realistically accomplish in the draft this year?

I'm hoping for a day one starter with the second pick, and a third rounder who contributes this year. Too much? I'll give the second rounder a pass on starting day one if its a WR or CB.
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really don't see them taking a WR with the pick at #34 - they will go with their BPA at either OL, LB or DB ...
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SkinsJock wrote:really don't see them taking a WR with the pick at #34 - they will go with their BPA at either OL, LB or DB ...


Yeah I think most people would agree with you on that. That's why WR is listed here as a "surprise pick".

We do still have a need for a big WR and Kelvin Benjamin is a potential beast who could go in the first round. 6'5" 243 lbs. Freaking hell!

Not saying its the likely, but I wouldn't complain about it either. If Cody Latimer is available in the third or fourth round, might be a more likely possibility of drafting another WR.
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riggofan wrote:Man, I am SO ready. I can't wait to see what we do on Friday.

Rich Tandler had a pretty good article this morning with five "surprise" picks the Skins could make. Good stuff:

CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State—This would be a surprise for the Redskins because not many expect him to be here at this point. But he does not seem to be as solidly in the top 25 as he was right after the combine and he could slide to the Redskins at 34.

CB Marcus Roberson, Florida—A few injuries, most notably a knee injury, hampered him last year. If the Redskins have him with a clean medical slate he could be their second-round pick.

WR Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State—Some would view this as a reach, some might view it as a steal. Everyone would be wondering why the Redskins spent their top pick on yet other wide receiver to go with Pierre Garçon and the two free agents they signed. But at 6-5 Benjamin has the size the other receivers lack and Jay Gruden may want that element badly enough to persuade Bruce Allen to pull the trigger here.

DE Dee Ford, Auburn—A lot of people are saying that the Redskins might want to get an edge rusher in case they can’t bring back Brian Orakpo. But I think most of those people would be surprised if it actually happens. You can sub DE Kony Ealy of Missouri or ILB Jeremiah Attaochu of Georgia Tech in this slot as well.

G Billy Turner, North Dakota State—He started for three years at tackle in college but he’s probably best suited to play inside. Turner is the combination of size (6-5, 315) and athletic ability that Gruden is looking for along the line and he might be the best player that no one has ever heard of.


Here's my question for this thread. What do you think we can realistically accomplish in the draft this year?
I'm hoping for a day one starter with the second pick, and a third rounder who contributes this year. Too much? I'll give the second rounder a pass on starting day one if its a WR or CB.



I'm super pumped as well, I always am at draft time and this year is no different. As for realistic accomplishments, for me I guess it depends on which way they go at 34 (offense or defense). I'd like to think, regardless of side of the ball, realistically we can draft a day 1 starter there or at least someone who can start before the years over. I originally wanted to post a specific position to your question, such as starting slot CB or ILB, however I really don't know which way they'll go. From that list you provided Billy Turner sounds like a good fit although I'd like to know more about him, I liked Dennard from the games I watched.

I really think, with the depth of this draft that we should be able to get guys who can help on special teams immediately with our 3rd,4th,5th round picks and maybe the others too and that we can get a day 1 starter from our 2nd pick. If those happen then my "realistic" expectations would be satisfied. Anything better than that, such as a undrafted free agent or late round steal , would be awesome. Lastly, I just hope we don't reach for a player based on need. Personal opinion but I think we need to draft BPA.
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there's a lot of players that could go in the first round who will certainly make great NFL players and be available at #34

this is a very key pick - we need to take the BPA at OL, LB or DB

we are building - we are not fine tuning here
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oneman56 wrote:I'm super pumped as well, I always am at draft time and this year is no different. As for realistic accomplishments, for me I guess it depends on which way they go at 34 (offense or defense). I'd like to think, regardless of side of the ball, realistically we can draft a day 1 starter there or at least someone who can start before the years over. I originally wanted to post a specific position to your question, such as starting slot CB or ILB, however I really don't know which way they'll go. From that list you provided Billy Turner sounds like a good fit although I'd like to know more about him, I liked Dennard from the games I watched.

I really think, with the depth of this draft that we should be able to get guys who can help on special teams immediately with our 3rd,4th,5th round picks and maybe the others too and that we can get a day 1 starter from our 2nd pick. If those happen then my "realistic" expectations would be satisfied. Anything better than that, such as a undrafted free agent or late round steal , would be awesome. Lastly, I just hope we don't reach for a player based on need. Personal opinion but I think we need to draft BPA.


Me too. I like your expectations, especially the comment on guys who can help with special teams in the later rounds. I'd call that a success.

There shouldn't be any excuse for reaching on a player with that first pick this year. Like SkinsJock is writing, we have plenty of positions that we need to improve. Just take the best guy on the board at #34. I don't care what position he plays, if he's a true play maker he will make the team better and the coaches will figure out how to use him.
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SkinsJock wrote:this is a very key pick - we need to take the BPA at OL, LB or DB

we are building - we are not fine tuning here


If you're only drafting BPA for a specific position, isn't that pretty much the definition of fine tuning?

"OL, LB, and DB" probably covers a lot of positions on the field, so I think what you're saying is that you don't think we should take a QB/WR/TE/RB at 34. True?

There's a fair argument to be made there IMO. No denying that we need to add some legit play makers on defense. It would be hard to see taking a TE or a WR at #34 no matter how incredible the guy is and continue to neglect the defense. I think Gruden would have to LOVE a guy to go that route. Like you said, its a key pick we can't afford to miss on.

Btw I've seen it mentioned in places that the Redskins should consider drafting punter, Kirby Van Der Kamp with one of the late round picks:

5/5/14: In 2013, Van Der Kamp averaged 41.6 yards per punt with a long of 65 yards. He could be the first specialist selected. Van Der Kamp is the consensus top punter in the 2014 NFL Draft.

8/20/13: Van Der Kamp averaged 41 yards per punt in 2012 with 29 punts inside the 20-yard line for Iowa State. He had 10 punts of 50 yards or more. Van Der Kamp averaged 43 yards per punt in 2011 with 15 of 50+ yards and 21 punts placed inside the 20-yard line.


Rocca is gone and that's actually a position of need. Considering how many late round picks actually pan out, would it be crazy to use a sixth or seventh round pick on a punter? Might actually get a day one starter with that pick.
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I am ready for us to draft some starters. We need to come away from this draft with some future pro bowlers. I imagine if we draft OL, ILB or S that they would be able to start right away especially if we get one of those positions in the second round.
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HEROHAMO wrote:I am ready for us to draft some starters. We need to come away from this draft with some future pro bowlers. I imagine if we draft OL, ILB or S that they would be able to start right away especially if we get one of those positions in the second round.


Well, we have no first round pick. So I'd say we would be pretty lucky to come away with ONE future pro bowler. :)
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riggofan wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:this is a very key pick - we need to take the BPA at OL, LB or DB

we are building - we are not fine tuning here


If you're only drafting BPA for a specific position, isn't that pretty much the definition of fine tuning?

"OL, LB, and DB" probably covers a lot of positions on the field, so I think what you're saying is that you don't think we should take a QB/WR/TE/RB at 34. True?

There's a fair argument to be made there IMO. No denying that we need to add some legit play makers on defense. It would be hard to see taking a TE or a WR at #34 no matter how incredible the guy is and continue to neglect the defense. I think Gruden would have to LOVE a guy to go that route. Like you said, its a key pick we can't afford to miss on.

Btw I've seen it mentioned in places that the Redskins should consider drafting punter, Kirby Van Der Kamp with one of the late round picks:

5/5/14: In 2013, Van Der Kamp averaged 41.6 yards per punt with a long of 65 yards. He could be the first specialist selected. Van Der Kamp is the consensus top punter in the 2014 NFL Draft.

8/20/13: Van Der Kamp averaged 41 yards per punt in 2012 with 29 punts inside the 20-yard line for Iowa State. He had 10 punts of 50 yards or more. Van Der Kamp averaged 43 yards per punt in 2011 with 15 of 50+ yards and 21 punts placed inside the 20-yard line.


Rocca is gone and that's actually a position of need. Considering how many late round picks actually pan out, would it be crazy to use a sixth or seventh round pick on a punter? Might actually get a day one starter with that pick.


sorry you're right - I mean't that we should hopefully take a player at the positions of greatest need being the OL and DB but you're also right in that we have many players we need to add for both starting players and depth

I totally agree that the 34th pick really should be a player that can start day 1 - he's a top 50 player - we cannot afford to miss on that pick

I have a lot more faith in our current FO and talent evaluators and being that we're so starved for quality depth here I'm sure this group will bring in a number of players this year both drafted and un-drafted that can help this franchise
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SkinsJock wrote:I have a lot more faith in our current FO and talent evaluators and being that we're so starved for quality depth here I'm sure this group will bring in a number of players this year both drafted and un-drafted that can help this franchise


Yeah, I guess we'll see. I think Allen, Gruden and the whole scouting dept. still have to prove it before I would say I have faith in them exactly. At least I can say I have more faith in them than I did when it was the Dan & Vinny show! (I also personally don't think Shanahan did that bad a job in the draft, would be great if the new staff can do better with the later round picks than he did I guess.)

Totally agree about our needs not just for some play makers but for quality depth. ESPN has been talking for weeks about what a deep draft this is, so if we can't get a few decent players out of it we have a real problem!
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There's increasing noise that there are as many as 8 teams looking to draft a WR in the first round... that would mean that there would be at least a couple of reaches... good for us... Hopefully, there will also be one or two reaches at QB...
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Countertrey wrote:There's increasing noise that there are as many as 8 teams looking to draft a WR in the first round... that would mean that there would be at least a couple of reaches... good for us... Hopefully, there will also be one or two reaches at QB...


Agreed! I'm liking some of this noise on the QBs right now. The more WRs and QBs who go in the first round, could be some surprising players available to us at #34. Could open up the possibility of trading down that pick too.
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riggofan wrote:
Countertrey wrote:There's increasing noise that there are as many as 8 teams looking to draft a WR in the first round... that would mean that there would be at least a couple of reaches... good for us... Hopefully, there will also be one or two reaches at QB...


Agreed! I'm liking some of this noise on the QBs right now. The more WRs and QBs who go in the first round, could be some surprising players available to us at #34. Could open up the possibility of trading down that pick too.


Agree. Having the 2nd pick of the Second Round could leave some teams coveting that pick over night. It could prove very enticing to a few teams. I'm hoping we face two scenarios: 1) with all the WR's, QB's, and possible over reaches in the 1st, it could be possible that a player we never thought we'd have a chance to draft is sitting there at 34. C.J. Moseley? 2) We are able to trade down and we have FIVE possible targets available for Right Tackle -- Morgan Moses, Joel Bitonio, Jake Mewhort, Kwanjio, and my sleeper Antonio Richardson. We could easily trade down more than a dozen spots in the second and have several of these players still available. If trading down allows us to get one of them AND the Center from USC then we're dancin'.
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If cj moseley is available at 34, unless we are trading back two spots and "know" the team behind us isn't picking him , we should run to the podium with his name written in big block letters. If Mosley, dennard, Pryor and one of the upper echelon right tackles is available, ok, maybe trade back, but I'd value getting one of those named players over any RT that would reasonably be available.
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Just a guess but I would bet we TRADE DOWN!!! With the 2nd round being on Friday, other teams will have more time to put a deal together overnight and the Skins need more picks. Move back say 10 spots and pick up a 4th/early 5th rd pick. I'm up for it.
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I agree if there isn't someone we think is an immediate solution at RT or the secondary or inside LB. If there's a quality player we think could start soon at our biggest needs, I don't see how a 4/5 is worth passing on filling that hole.
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:I agree if there isn't someone we think is an immediate solution at RT or the secondary or inside LB. If there's a quality player we think could start soon at our biggest needs, I don't see how a 4/5 is worth passing on filling that hole.


I think Bruce Allen is in agreement with both of you. If you checked out his pre-draft conference, he said he was open to trading down "in theory", but would be less likely if a player they've given a first round grade is available at 34.

Note that he talked about the grade not the "position of need" stuff.

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Allen: Redskins will take best player available in NFL Draft

As he looks over the roster as it stands on the eve of the NFL Draft, Redskins general manager Bruce Allen says he doesn’t see any “gaping holes,” but that the organization has the goal of improving future depth.

Washington during free agency made moves to improve the interior of the offensive line, wide receiver, inside linebacker and defensive back, which ranked among the most pressing needs on the roster. Because of those accomplishments, Allen believes the team will have the freedom to draft the best player available.

“There’s no one position,” Allen said when asked if one position carries a greater priority than the others.

Further assessing the Redskins’ situation, Allen said, “The draft is going to be a great way to add to the team. We’ve been active in free agency, so we feel there are no gaping holes on the roster. But as we look at our team, we really look at where our roster is in 2015 and 2016 as well. It allows us the flexibility to make sure we follow the draft board that’s been set up with everyone’s communication. We’re not looking at a particular position as we address the draft.”

The Redskins must approach the draft with flexibility, because as was the case last season, they enter the draft without a first-round pick. That selection, which would’ve been second overall, now belongs to the St. Louis Rams as the final installment of Washington’s agreement in 2012 to send three first-rounders and a second-rounder to the Rams in exchange for the pick that gave the Redskins rights to draft Robert Griffin III.

Washington first gets on the clock with the 34th overall pick, the second of the second round. Washington then currently has a pick in each of the next five rounds: 66th, 102nd, 142nd, 178th and 217th.

So, a number of dominoes must fall before Washington makes its first selection.

The team does have several areas where long-term depth requires attention, however.

On offense, right tackle is believed to rank high on Washington’s shopping list. The team also could use a big-target wide receiver, and improved tight end depth. On defense, Washington lacks long-term options at inside linebacker, cornerback and safety.

But it remains to be seen which order, and exactly which of those areas Washington will attempt to address in the draft. Allen called it “unlikely” that the Redskins would move up in the draft because they have limited resources to dangle in front of teams in the first round. He said Washington has had “no discussions” regarding packaging backup quarterback Kirk Cousins with a pick, or picks, to move up in the draft. Allen said the Redskins also haven’t had any discussions at all regarding trading Cousins.

Allen said he would listen to inquiries from teams when it comes to moving down in the draft if it meant acquiring more picks, but no deals are imminent.

Allen stressed that Washington must do a better job of not only selecting, but also developing prospects. In the past two offseasons, the Redskins have drafted players with the intention of improving the line, linebacker position and the secondary.

But guards Josh LeRibeus (third-rounder in 2012) and Adam Gettis (fifth-rounder, 2012) and tackle Tom Compton (sixth-rounder, 2012), linebackers Keenan Robinson (fourth-round, 2012) and Brandon Jenkins (fifth round, 2013) and safeties Phillip Thomas (fourth-rounder, 2013) and Bacarri Rambo (sixth-rounder, 2013) have all either scarcely played, or in some cases, haven’t played at all because of injury.

The Redskins in the last four years have hit on tackle Trent Williams, linebacker Perry Riley Jr., quarterback Robert Griffin III and running back Alfred Morris. But Allen admits, that the draft success has not been what it needs to be.

“I don’t think you can say we’ve done well because of our record,” he said referring to three last-place finishes in the NFC East in the past four seasons. “I don’t really believe in grading drafts because we have a record. The Washington Redskins have a lot of flags and hardware up there, but not through the draft, but through other means of player acquisition. We’re looking forward to changing that and developing our players. We still have some young players on our roster who haven’t really played yet, and I think that’s a big task for the coaches, who got to see them at this first minicamp, and have started to develop opinions on them.”

Washington, because it has a new head coach in Jay Gruden, held its first minicamp last week, and that afforded coaches to get a look at the players on the roster in advance of this week’s selections. But Allen said that nothing seen in those practices have dramatically swayed the opinions of where the roster stands, or sentiments on draft needs.

The Redskins on Monday received word that suspended safety Tanard Jackson will be reinstated by the league, and he was at team headquarters Tuesday morning. But Allen described the move as a “conditional reinstatement.” He said the return of Jackson, who was slapped in 2012 with an indefinite suspension for repeatedly violating the league’s substance-abuse policy, will not impact draft plans.

“It won’t affect the draft at all,” Allen said. “When he was suspended, we were aware that he had to comply with a lot of rules and regulations that the league and players association agreed to. It’s a compliment to him, but I have not talked to him yet, because he isn’t really reinstated yet. But it’s a compliment that he has a desire to play. I look forward to talking to him and the coaches look forward to talking to him.”

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Sucks not having a first rounder again (screw it, this is the last year paying for it and I'd still make the RGIII trade), but there are still a lot of reasons to pay attention tonight. Rich Tandler has a great piece on things to watch for:

A run on quarterbacks—If quarterback-needy teams like the Jaguars and Browns go after their guys in the first round and other teams start trading up into the late first to reach for guys like Tom Savage the Redskins should be happy. That would mean that a lot of true first-round talent is getting left on the board as QB’s who are really third-round values are picked. Washington would be looking at a pretty good pool of prospects to choose from at 34.

A QB drought—Yes, not many quarterbacks being taken could work to the Redskins’ advantage as well. If teams wait until the second round for the quarterbacks they could overpay to trade up to get their guy who is still there at 34. The Redskins could move back in the second round and still get a good player plus a fourth- or maybe even a late third-round pick.

Lots of surprises—The first item on this list is a subset of this possibility. If teams are reaching for second-round talent in the first round, the Redskins could end up with a large pool of first-round talent from which to choose when their pick comes up.

Picks in the division—This is pretty obvious, paying attention to the guys who the Redskins will be facing twice a year. Last year the Giants, Cowboys, and Eagles all took offensive linemen so while they probably helped themselves they didn’t land any players who would scare you. This time around names like WR’s Mike Evans, Brandin Cooks and Odell Beckham are being tossed around the division so keep an eye on that.

A run on tackles—If, say, Morgan Moses goes to the Dolphins with the 19th pick, a run on tackles could ensure. The Redskins likely want to have the option of taking a tackle but there’s a possibility that all of them who could be good values with the 34th pick will be gone.
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Hi Guys.... When do we actually pick? I just counting the hours...!!! Do we pick on Friday or Sat or what...??
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Re: Draft week are you ready?

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Unless we trade down, we have the second pick on Friday.
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Re: Draft week are you ready?

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tribeofjudah wrote:Hi Guys.... When do we actually pick? I just counting the hours...!!! Do we pick on Friday or Sat or what...??


Round 2 starts Friday night at 6:30 PM. We have the 2nd pick and picks in round 2 are limited to 7 minutes each. Therefore, the skins should be announcing their pick about 6:37 - 6:44 PM.
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Re: Draft week are you ready?

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rick301 wrote:
tribeofjudah wrote:Hi Guys.... When do we actually pick? I just counting the hours...!!! Do we pick on Friday or Sat or what...??


Round 2 starts Friday night at 6:30 PM. We have the 2nd pick and picks in round 2 are limited to 7 minutes each. Therefore, the skins should be announcing their pick about 6:37 - 6:44 PM.


Excellent post, man. I appreciate your exactitude. :)
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Re: Draft week are you ready?

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riggofan wrote:
rick301 wrote:
tribeofjudah wrote:Hi Guys.... When do we actually pick? I just counting the hours...!!! Do we pick on Friday or Sat or what...??


Round 2 starts Friday night at 6:30 PM. We have the 2nd pick and picks in round 2 are limited to 7 minutes each. Therefore, the skins should be announcing their pick about 6:37 - 6:44 PM.


Excellent post, man. I appreciate your exactitude. :)

Not that exact. It actually starts at 7:00 PM. :oops:
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