DeSean Jackson -- Should we?

[emoses14]

If we buy that the rift between RGIII and Mike started around the knew injury in 2012, then the laser focus of the media on his recovery and when he would play would and the ensuing circus that focus created shouldn't even remotely be an issue with a new coach and no recovery form an injury to report on. In other words, I don't see RGIII being a media circus now that he isn't the incoming Heisman winning rookie, isn't coming of an injury that the media believes is juicy because it was exacerbated by (opinion, not fact!) Mike's poor decision making and there is no issue regarding the timetable for his playing again.

So, maybe Gruden has some space for the headache that Desean might bring?

[riggofan]

This is a deep draft for WRs as everyone has commented. Would it not be wiser, given DJax's 'attitude' issues (late for meetings, 'not trying his hardest' etc), to look there..? What rookie head coach wants a potential headache like that when you've already got the media circus that is RGIII to handle...?

Now these are legitimate concerns. This is where your FO (Bruce, Gruden & Doug) comes into play. They brought Doug Williams in to mentor these kids. Will they be able to discern if he's ready to mature? Do they believe Garcon and Moss can mentor him?

This is also an apples:oranges thing IMO. I don't think drafting a WR in the second round is really a substitute for signing DJAX now. Jackson is a seasoned player, no question about his abilities, who you know is going to start on day one. I've given my reasons why I would consider drafting a WR this year, but I wouldn't have any expectations of that guy starting this year much less producing like Desean Jackson.

I thought the comment about sending Hankerson packing was interesting. Not that I disagree exactly, but I would kind of think that Aldrick Robinson would be on the line if we were to sign Jackson.

[riggofan]

In other words, I don't see RGIII being a media circus now that he isn't the incoming Heisman winning rookie, isn't coming of an injury that the media believes is juicy because it was exacerbated by (opinion, not fact!) Mike's poor decision making and there is no issue regarding the timetable for his playing again.

The only thing the media enjoys more than tearing a guy down is reporting on the comeback story. If this off season is any indication, I think Robert is going to keep his head down and not give those vultures any ammunition either. I don't expect the media circus.

[Chris Luva Luva]

This is also an apples:oranges thing IMO. I don't think drafting a WR in the second round is really a substitute for signing DJAX now. Jackson is a seasoned player, no question about his abilities, who you know is going to start on day one. I've given my reasons why I would consider drafting a WR this year, but I wouldn't have any expectations of that guy starting this year much less producing like Desean Jackson.

I thought the comment about sending Hankerson packing was interesting. Not that I disagree exactly, but I would kind of think that Aldrick Robinson would be on the line if we were to sign Jackson.

I think that I'd rather go FS or MLB at #2, as the roster stands right now.

I choose Hank cus of the injury and EXTREMELY mediocre play. I'd go after a taller WR later in the draft to groom and bring along. Aldrick won games for us last year with big plays, you don't just throw that type of speed away. Especially with how questionable Mike's reputation with players is at this point...

[riggofan]

This is also an apples:oranges thing IMO. I don't think drafting a WR in the second round is really a substitute for signing DJAX now. Jackson is a seasoned player, no question about his abilities, who you know is going to start on day one. I've given my reasons why I would consider drafting a WR this year, but I wouldn't have any expectations of that guy starting this year much less producing like Desean Jackson.

I thought the comment about sending Hankerson packing was interesting. Not that I disagree exactly, but I would kind of think that Aldrick Robinson would be on the line if we were to sign Jackson.

I think that I'd rather go FS or MLB at #2, as the roster stands right now.

I choose Hank cus of the injury and EXTREMELY mediocre play. I'd go after a taller WR later in the draft to groom and bring along. Aldrick won games for us last year with big plays, you don't just throw that type of speed away. Especially with how questionable Mike's reputation with players is at this point...

Yeah I guess I was thinking about having two speed guys. No doubt Robinson has it, he's just been so inconsistent in making those big catches. (I could be wrong about that, just the impression I've had of him and your comment about Shanahan is true.) You're probably right though that the injuries to Hankerson might make him the odd man out.

Draft will be interesting. The problem with a safety as #34 is that its not a deep safety draft. If we get lucky and somebody like Calvin Pryor drops to us, that would be cool. Otherwise there's a good chance of reaching on a guy there. There are some good ILB options available in the 2-4 round range. With no first round pick, I really think we've got to take the best player we can get with our second rounder not just the best safety or linebacker.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Yeah I guess I was thinking about having two speed guys. No doubt Robinson has it, he's just been so inconsistent in making those big catches. (I could be wrong about that, just the impression I've had of him and your comment about Shanahan is true.) You're probably right though that the injuries to Hankerson might make him the odd man out.

Draft will be interesting. The problem with a safety as #34 is that its not a deep safety draft. If we get lucky and somebody like Calvin Pryor drops to us, that would be cool. Otherwise there's a good chance of reaching on a guy there. There are some good ILB options available in the 2-4 round range. With no first round pick, I really think we've got to take the best player we can get with our second rounder not just the best safety or linebacker.

And I too could be mistaken, but it was the routine catches where Aldrick displayed his inconsistency. He was pretty consistent with the big plays, which is why he's still around.

There's really nothing about Hankerson that stands out. And we all learned it takes a long time to come back from an ACL.

I don't disagree.

[44diesel]

Living near philly I have always disliked Djax but that's more because how he'd burn us when we played him. The idea of him being in DC makes me giddy with all of the possibilities his presence would bring to our offense. Not just all of the potential mismatches, but teams would not be able to stack the box which spells big numbers for Alf and RGIII (on occasion). I'm also loving the idea of what he could mean to our special teams. Plus, I'd love our D to get the inside scoop on the Chip Kelly playbook.

I do hope that he keeps his head on straight. We don't need any more distractions, but it sounds like he has it out for his former team and I'd love to capitalize. If we don't get him, I hope he leaves the conference. I definitely don't want him in the division paired with Dez or with Cruz.

I also agree with many of the thoughts on here that picking up DJAX would allow us to use our picks on other holes. I'm certainly keeping my eyes and ears open as this story develops.

For what it's worth, DHall loves the idea: http://www.csnwashington.com/football-w ... ke-my-year

[langleyparkjoe]

YES !!

[EA7649]

I always hated his arrogance on the field. Since, I live in the DE valley and a Redskins fan. He could grow on me quickly.

However, I honestly feel if we don't lock a contract with Jackson before he leaves DC. He will NOT be a Redskin.

Better make a GREAT pitch!

[SouthLondonRedskin]

have the new coaching staff work on Aldrick's game to see if we can get more out of him

I HONESTLY CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT.
IN FACT, AFTER THIS I'LL PRETEND YOU NEVER SAID SUCH A STUPID STATEMENT. *SLR AND I ARE COOL, NO DISRESPECT AND HE KNOWS*
SO YEA, DON'T EVER TYPE ALDRICK AND DJAX IN THE SAME MESSAGE EVER IN YOUR LIFE OK?
LOL.. GO DRINK YOUR TEA OR SOMETHING

LOL!

You can tell LPJ is excited - EVERYTHING he's typing is in caps!!!

No man, I'm not saying Aldrick is or will be in the same league as DJax - but any new head coach would be a fool to toss him aside without working hard on his game for a season. Potential game-winner, albeit not in the same class as DJax.

Point is, what money we have left should probably go to other areas. Personally my priority would be FS. I'd give Ryan Clark a higher offer (don't know the details of what's on the table now, obviously) but just to have him mentor Rambo and Thomas and his influence on the dressing room (possibly the exact opposite of what DJax could bring) would be really, really helpful. Plus I think he's still got another great year in him and is better than any other options out there or in house or that will be there by pick 34 in the draft.

An extra $500k or $1m in his direction could swing the deal and be a much wiser investment.

If someone said to you at the start of free agency you could remove almost the entire pass rush of the Cowgirls (and land them with Weeden!) and DJax would be out of the division altogether you'd have been happy, right..? Helps our chances of winning the division no end.

Anyway, my tea is getting cold... so back to my original question; has he landed yet...????

[Chris Luva Luva]

Anyway, my tea is getting cold... so back to my original question; has he landed yet...????

I dont think he'll be here till tonight. It's not even noon yet.

[skinsfan#33]

DJax is most definitely overvalued and had never played up to all of the hype that he receives. People talk about him like he is a top flight WR... he isn't.

He is more of an Alvin Harper than a Michael Irvin. He is more of a Rocky Sanders than a Clark or Monk.

With that said... I still want him

He may not be a #1 WR, but he is somebody that D Coordinators have to plan for. He can change a game with a punt return or one catch. For most games his biggest impact would be freeing up Garcon and Reed or taking away any thought of a D playing and eight man front on 2nd and 2.

[SouthLondonRedskin]

Ahh, but wait!!!

My sources have just confirmed that DJax is currently in the air on a plane!

Presumably heading to D.C....

[langleyparkjoe]

Ahh, but wait!!!

My sources have just confirmed that DJax is currently in the air on a plane!

Presumably heading to D.C....

Sorry, we do not believe your source because he wears this hat even in 90+ degrees

[SouthLondonRedskin]

Oi! Don't knock him, he and DJax go way back. They used to run together around Compton back in the day...

[Chris Luva Luva]

DJax is most definitely overvalued and had never played up to all of the hype that he receives. People talk about him like he is a top flight WR... he isn't.

He is more of an Alvin Harper than a Michael Irvin. He is more of a Rocky Sanders than a Clark or Monk.

With that said... I still want him

He may not be a #1 WR, but he is somebody that D Coordinators have to plan for. He can change a game with a punt return or one catch. For most games his biggest impact would be freeing up Garcon and Reed or taking away any thought of a D playing and eight man front on 2nd and 2.

He's far from being a #1. But he's THAT guy that allows your #1 to truly excel. DJax demands attention. He's #2 in receptions of 20+ yards, that number will rise if they focus too much on Garcon.

[CanesSkins26]

Don't want him for a few reasons:

1) Knucklehead;
2) Injury risk;
2) Prima dona; and
3) Will want a lot of money.

We need to spend our remaining cap on linemen...

I know all the talking heads are saying, we need more WRs but I think we have too many other needs to spend more cap space on WR. Protect our franchise QB this year, with better lineman, and get another toy next year.

No thanks.

1. What is your definition of a "knucklehead" and what proof do you have other than these BS fabrications that the national media outlets now seem to be backing away from?
2. Injury risk? How so? I researched it and can't find any information about him being injury prone.
3. This is true.
4. He will want it, but he'll only get what the market values him at.


Haven't we acquired at least 3 linemen thus far in free agency? Do you want 10 more linemen? Do you think we have have unlimited roster sizes? Isn't there still a draft? Won't there be additional releases AFTER the draft? Not wanting Jackson is a fair opinion but where are the facts?

Right, because the Eagles released a player in the prime of his career, coming off of a career year, because he's a model citizen, hard worker, and great teammate. Makes a lot of sense. And the teams most after him, the Skins, Bills, and Raiders are known for making great decisions in free agency.

The Eagles didn't even bother waiting until after the draft to cut Jackson, when teams with needs at receiver might be willing to deal.

[Kilmer72]

As for Jackson’s supposed lack of professionalism, the Redskins’ locker room is strong enough to help keep Jackson in line from a football standpoint, if that’s something that needs to be done. Behind the scenes, people within the organization say, Griffin and cornerback DeAngelo Hall are pushing for the team to make what would be its biggest roster move since four high-round picks were sent to the St. Louis Rams for the pick that was used on Griffin.

From the time he was in high school, Jackson has been considered a bit of a me-first guy. No one who has dealt with Jackson would dispute that he’s a tad self-absorbed. And you know what else he is? A potential game-changer for a franchise that has finished last in its division five of six years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/re ... story.html

[Chris Luva Luva]

Right, because the Eagles released a player in the prime of his career, coming off of a career year, because he's a model citizen, hard worker, and great teammate. Makes a lot of sense. And the teams most after him, the Skins, Bills, and Raiders are known for making great decisions in free agency.

The Eagles didn't even bother waiting until after the draft to cut Jackson, when teams with needs at receiver might be willing to deal.

- Where are the facts? The LAPD are refuting the Eagles claims. I'm not disputing that he's a role model but what he's being accused of. It just doesn't add up.

- And it's not just the teams you mentioned, because you wanted to prove a point. The 49er's, Bucs and Carolina have/had interest, 3 times with respected coaches. It's also comical that lump the Redskins in with teams that make terrible decisions in free agency when this FO regime has done nothing of the sort... Oh! His former HC in Andy Reid wants him, after an AMAZING first season.

- It's also very telling that notable websites are backing off of the claims made by Philly.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/61750/eagles-needed-patience-with-jackson
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/desean-jackson-faq-what-the-eagles-were-thinking-and-where-we-go-from-here/

I guess the Eagles FO gets their information NJ.com... Because thats where the report stems from. They just didn't want to pay the guy and used some report to validate their decision... KNOWING. KNOWING, that people are dumb enough to eat it right up.

- I like how people believe everything that's spewed from the mouths of NFL coaches/front offices. Like these aren't the same people the colluded against the players. Like these aren't the same folks that participated in screwing us over. Yeah, they have nothing but great intentions.

- Like I said before, this reeks of college coach not being able to handle players as men and not boys.

- I get that DJax isn't RGIII, but neither is D. Hall. And yalll b*** and moan about him too.

[DarthMonk]

I do not know DeSean Jackson. The alleged gang ties do not concern me.

I saw him quit a few years ago against Seattle. That concerns me more than anything else.

[SouthLondonRedskin]

There is a report going round that Desean spent a number of hours with RGIII in L.A over the weekend.

Did anybody else hear that...?

The only way we're getting DJax I think is if he's desperate to play against the iggles twice a year. If that's a big part of his motivation then we're in, otherwise I can't see it happening...

[Chris Luva Luva]

Here's a simple question for some of you. Would Jackson have been released if he was only making $500k a year?

[riggofan]

There is a report going round that Desean spent a number of hours with RGIII in L.A over the weekend.

Did anybody else hear that...?

Well, its from TMZ sports, but its out there:

Looks like the Redskins are serious about DeSean Jackson -- 'cause TMZ Sports has learned the WR hung out with RG3 in L.A. this weekend BEFORE he got on a plane to meet with the team in D.C.

Sources tell us ... DJ and Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III "spent several hours" together in Los Angeles -- apparently things went well.

Jackson is now on a plane destined for D.C. -- where he's reportedly set to meet with team honchos.

Despite all the drama surrounding his release from the Eagles, we're told DeSean has been laser-focused on football -- and has been training like a maniac.

There are several teams that have reportedly expressed interest in Jackson -- but with the meeting between RG3 and DJ, it looks like the Redskins could have an edge.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/03/31/desean-ja ... z2xZQZkaG2

The only way we're getting DJax I think is if he's desperate to play against the iggles twice a year. If that's a big part of his motivation then we're in, otherwise I can't see it happening...

I'm sure it doesn't hurt, but I don't see it as "the only way". The Skins along with the Bills and Raiders are the teams that can probably make him the best contract offer right now. So if the money offered from those three teams is about the same or close, which team do you want to play for?

I don't want to be the pot calling out the kettle, but the Raiders are a perpetual mess. Even if you think they're a better franchise than Washington, at least we have a QB. The Bills play in Buffalo. So no, I don't think we have to bank strictly on some sense of revenge for him to sign.

[riggofan]

Here's a simple question for some of you. Would Jackson have been released if he was only making $500k a year?

Hmmm. I don't know. You're saying he was more likely to be released because he was making so much money? I guess I can see that. Its definitely easier to bench and discipline a guy you're only paying $30K/game than a guy making $600K/game.

I still find it insane though that they were willing to take a $6m cap hit on him this year. Its not like they needed to cut him to free up money for other needs or something this year like the Cowboys and D. Ware. I think I would probably still keep him around rather than eat that $6m.

[CanesSkins26]

- Where are the facts? The LAPD are refuting the Eagles claims. I'm not disputing that he's a role model but what he's being accused of. It just doesn't add up.

One, it's not the Eagles' claims. It was claims made in the NJ article. The Eagles haven't said anything about it. Two, the LAPD isn't refuting what was in the article. Have you read it? I'm guessing no. It doesn't say that he is in a gang or involved in any crimes, it nearly says that pictures and other information indicates that Jackson has friends who are believed to be in gangs. For example, the article notes that Jackson posted pictures on Instagram of him with a known member of a gang who was charged in a murder. Nobody has said specifically that he's a gang, the article only said that the Eagles were concerned with some of his associations. After what happened with Aaron Hernandez I'm not surprised that the Eagles would be concerned about this stuff, if it's true.

Should these allegations alone preclude the Skins from signing Jackson? Of course not. I'm sure the Skins have security personnel on staff with law enforcement background and I'm sure they'll check all this out. However, when you take these allegations and add in Jackson's reputation for being late to meetings, now also practicing and playing hard, being a diva, does it really make sense to sign him when we're rebuilding and don't exactly have a locker room with strong veteran leadership? I would say no. DHall wants to take him under his wing, but who's going to take Hall and his undisciplined behavior under their wing?

I guess the Eagles FO gets their information NJ.com... Because thats where the report stems from. They just didn't want to pay the guy and used some report to validate their decision... KNOWING. KNOWING, that people are dumb enough to eat it right up.

The Eagles had $16 million in cap space before cutting Jackson. They didn't need to cut him for financial reasons. And if the decision was purely one of business, why did they cut Jackson before the draft? There was no difference to their cap if he was cut before or after the draft, so why not wait until after the draft, when teams might be willing to trade for a receiver, to make this move?

- Like I said before, this reeks of college coach not being able to handle players as men and not boys.

You say that there is baseless speculation about Jackson, but how is this statement of yours any different? What proof do you have that Chip Kelly can't handle NFL players. But I'm sure you're right, because it's not like he took a 4-12 team and took them to 10-6. Oh, wait...