Shawn Lauvao

[Chris Luva Luva]

I wouldn't use a 3 game stretch against bottom 7 pass rushing teams as a good barometer of how good your offensive line is by any stretch.

My point wasn't that they looked good. The point was that the line didn't do any worse with a less mobile QB at the helm. I may have been off on sack totals, but they didnt look as bad with Kirk at the helm.

I get where those teams were ranked, but that doesn't really mean that much to me. It's a valid point. But you even stated that they gave up 3 to one of those bad rush teams. They played fairly well behind a less mobile QB and I believe that's partly due to the fact that they knew were Kirk would be, as opposed to a skittish RGIII that puts his line in a bad position but didnt have the speed to make it not matter.

Also, our WR's couldn't get off the jam AT ALL last year. So, where those sacks attributed to the WR's or the line by the coaches? For people wondering how Polumbus grades out so high, it's because some people review film. And just cus Tyler got beat, or Chester got beat, maybe it was because the WR took 10 seconds to get open. Or Kirk/RGIII took 20 seconds to find an open man.

[DaSkinz Baby]

I really could care less about grading.

This translates to, "I reject reality and insert my own".

The fact is 95% of all sacks and QB pressures came from Chester and Polumbus's side.

Then proceeds to grade them by pulling a random number out of his ass.

That has nothing to do with pounding beers or shots. If you see Polumbus has TERRIBLE Form, stands too tall and is often at a disadvantage when it comes to technique.

Now he's a coach.

Yes he has a decent season the year prior but that is what a healthy RGIII does, further masks problems, non mobile QB showed exactly why Chester and Polumbus need to be replaced ASAP.

And more misinformation....

- A mobile QB actually makes it more difficult for linemen, as their coached to anchor in specific spots. A skittish QB destroys the pocket by giving defense angles. Granted, Roberts speed negated that fact.
- Last years line went two games without giving up a sack with Kirk Cousins at the helm... So...yea, there's that.

Well there buddy at 3-13 damn right I could be a coach based on that record last year. Fact is I am not the only one that says that Chester and Polumbus are doo doo butter and that they need to be replaced. I am not going to argue over a team that only won 3 games the fact is Chris Chester and Tyler Polumbus need to be gone and the positions they held need to be filled. The fact that neither of them gave up a sack with Cousins means exactly what, the team still lost. Also since you want to point out that they didn't surrender sacks with Cousin's in there, look at first Dallas game, and then the Giants game, then maybe your eyes will allow you see what the plain and obvious truth is, that they both stink and are probably within top 5 worst RG and RT tandems in the NFL.........

[DaSkinz Baby]

I wouldn't use a 3 game stretch against bottom 7 pass rushing teams as a good barometer of how good your offensive line is by any stretch.

My point wasn't that they looked good. The point was that the line didn't do any worse with a less mobile QB at the helm. I may have been off on sack totals, but they didnt look as bad with Kirk at the helm.

I get where those teams were ranked, but that doesn't really mean that much to me. It's a valid point. But you even stated that they gave up 3 to one of those bad rush teams. They played fairly well behind a less mobile QB and I believe that's partly due to the fact that they knew were Kirk would be, as opposed to a skittish RGIII that puts his line in a bad position but didnt have the speed to make it not matter.

Also, our WR's couldn't get off the jam AT ALL last year. So, where those sacks attributed to the WR's or the line by the coaches? For people wondering how Polumbus grades out so high, it's because some people review film. And just cus Tyler got beat, or Chester got beat, maybe it was because the WR took 10 seconds to get open. Or Kirk/RGIII took 20 seconds to find an open man.

Dude seriously?? I recall MULTIPLE GAMES where the Defense was in the backfield within 2 seconds, the receivers didn't need to get opened because within 5 steps Chester and Polumbus on multiple plays DID NOT BLOCK or were totally juked..........

[Chris Luva Luva]

Well there buddy at 3-13 damn right I could be a coach based on that record last year.
Fact is I am not the only one that says that Chester and Polumbus are doo doo butter and that they need to be replaced.

Fact is, you're not a coach and will never be one. Fact is, Chester had an off year. Fact is Polumbus graded pretty high. Fact is, there will be movement on the line but it won't be wholesale changes.

I am not going to argue over a team that only won 3 games

I bet that you will, because you've already replied to me twice today.

The fact that neither of them gave up a sack with Cousins means exactly what

It means that the general sentiment of ur statement was false. As usual.

Dude seriously?? I recall MULTIPLE GAMES where the Defense was in the backfield within 2 seconds, the receivers didn't need to get opened because within 5 steps Chester and Polumbus on multiple plays DID NOT BLOCK or were totally juked..........

Is this where you got that 95% figure that you pulled out of ur ass?

[mastdark81]

I hate to say it but this was not a good signing. He's average at best. Lauvao is one of those guys you get for depth, not as a true starter. Now maybe they see something in him and he may have growth but for that money they could have signed a better offensive lineman.

He's not good as a run blocker and just an average pass blocker. You have to keep in mind Browns had legit all pro's Joe Thomas and Alex Mack on their line and were still struggling to open up lanes. He was one of the holes.

He's younger than Chester but that's about it. Maurice Hurt woulda been the better option and he's already on the team. I thought we were looking to upgrade!!

[Chris Luva Luva]

I hate to say it but this was not a good signing. He's average at best. Lauvao is one of those guys you get for depth, not as a true starter. Now maybe they see something in him and he may have growth but for that money they could have signed a better offensive lineman.

He's not good as a run blocker and just an average pass blocker. You have to keep in mind Browns had legit all pro's Joe Thomas and Alex Mack on their line and were still struggling to open up lanes. He was one of the holes.

He's younger than Chester but that's about it. Maurice Hurt woulda been the better option and he's already on the team. I thought we were looking to upgrade!!

We won't know until the pads are on. But we won't know how he fits into this system... Plus the HC played against him twice a year, so there's some familiarity. Who knows. This could be a whiff, or it could work out.

Also, he could be replacing Kory at LG, and Kory moving over to center... Again, time will tell. It's very early and too early to know that this isn't an upgrade.

[HEROHAMO]

Dont know how good Lavau is or will be. Hope he turns out to be good.

Anyhow just want to state that I prefer big beastly lineman. If we want to dominate we need to be big up front on both sides of the ball. Its the way it has always been. Those teams who dominate up front win SBs. Dont know why some of you cant understand that and continue to defend having midgets for lineman. Its very simple. You cannot accept mediocrity from our front office. You must demand that they give us blue chip players at each position or at least try to do so.

So if you guys see me complaining. Its because until I see a championship worthy Oline I wont be satisfied. I think we need a road grading guard or two. And a dominating right tackle.

Think back to the 1987 SuperBowl vs the Broncos. The offensive line provided running lanes wide enough to drive a truck through. Thats what we need to see. Right now its not that. Until we get guys who can do that. It wont be good enough got it.

You people have to stop accepting mediocrity.

[DaSkinz Baby]

I hate to say it but this was not a good signing. He's average at best. Lauvao is one of those guys you get for depth, not as a true starter. Now maybe they see something in him and he may have growth but for that money they could have signed a better offensive lineman.

He's not good as a run blocker and just an average pass blocker. You have to keep in mind Browns had legit all pro's Joe Thomas and Alex Mack on their line and were still struggling to open up lanes. He was one of the holes.

He's younger than Chester but that's about it. Maurice Hurt woulda been the better option and he's already on the team. I thought we were looking to upgrade!!

Well for one I would tend to think that just about anything signed is an upgrade over Chester. I think a different team would do wonders. I am optimistic that we can plug this huge dude in and get better. Prior to last years injuries, I think this guy has been pretty good......

[DaSkinz Baby]

Chester was flat out awful for us last season. There was nothing "decent" about his play. I will take anyone as an upgrade over him.

I agree but watch out, I think Chris Luva Luva has some man crush on Chester I have been flamed all morning over me putting out there that Chester and Polumbus are pathetic. PFF is the Bible so because Polumbus graded higher, all the sacks and pressures I watched every Sunday either didn't happen, or were a result of Receivers not being able to get off the line of scrimmage. Per Chris, Chester just had a "off" year, when he really had a "awful" year. But since I am no coach, my points aren't valid....

[PAPDOG67]

Chester was flat out awful for us last season. There was nothing "decent" about his play. I will take anyone as an upgrade over him.

I agree but watch out, I think Chris Luva Luva has some man crush on Chester I have been flamed all morning over me putting out there that Chester and Polumbus are pathetic. PFF is the Bible so because Polumbus graded higher, all the sacks and pressures I watched every Sunday either didn't happen, or were a result of Receivers not being able to get off the line of scrimmage. Per Chris, Chester just had a "off" year, when he really had a "awful" year. But since I am no coach, my points aren't valid....

I'm with you DaSkinz. I know what I saw last season. I saw an aging broken down Justin Tuck abuse Polumbus and Chester for 4 sacks in one game. I also saw a very old and slow Kevin Williams look like he did 5 years ago in simply manhandling Chester and Montgomery all night on his way to 3 sacks. These are just two things I remember to go with the mutiple games where they allowed terrible defenses to pressure our QB time and time again. Apparently some on here accept mediocre and sub-par play.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I just choose to broaden my analysis and thought processes beyond "he sucked and get rid of him". I choose to listen to analysis from NFL players and ingest other forms of analysis to form my opinions. I enjoy learning how deficiencies at other positions have a cascading effect throughout an entire team. But that's just me. I don't claim to be right all the time, but I don't have much respect for "he sucks". Sorry, back the claim up with competent analysis and facts.

[riggofan]

Apparently some on here accept mediocre and sub-par play.

Come on, man. This is just stupid.

If you're (and I don't mean you specifically) writing that some player "sucks" or is "pathetic" you should be able to back it up with some facts other than "I saw that one game where Tuck beat him." No reason to get all butt-hurt about it if other posters challenge what you're saying.

[DaSkinz Baby]

Apparently some on here accept mediocre and sub-par play.

Come on, man. This is just stupid.

If you're (and I don't mean you specifically) writing that some player "sucks" or is "pathetic" you should be able to back it up with some facts other than "I saw that one game where Tuck beat him." No reason to get all butt-hurt about it if other posters challenge what you're saying.

Perhaps we should however Justin Tucks 4 sack performance, Kevin William's 3 sack performance all against Chester and Polumbus I feel allows me to say they SUCK, are PATHETIC and TO ME are DOO DOO BUTTER. I am sorry perhaps I should list every down, game, and who they were raped by and I will remember to do that should they still start this year which I hope IS NOT THE CASE. I don't think I need to scour the NFL websites or seek what my 80 inch HD Television showed me numerous times last season as it relates to Chris Chester and Tyler Polumbus being the WEAKEST of LINKS on this line. I don't care about what posters challenge, my point is it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the play they both exhibited last year was BAD and if this site is becoming like Extremeskins to where everyone can't make a post with a reasonable assumed opinion than I will be banned from this site as well very quickly. I understand that people view and see things differently but I don't need PFF or any other Football site to prove that Polumbus as 6'8 has aweful technique, I have heard too many announcers say that in a politically correct way. I have also seen defensive players that Polumbus and or Chester were supposed to block come into the backfield within 2 seconds. Sorry mate but that isn't physics, that's the understanding that we had to play those bums due to the Cap Gate BS. But now since that is over, it's time to get rid of them........

[PAPDOG67]

riggofan, I saw those guys get routinely beaten in games by average D-Linemen. I don't know what other back up you want. I will not research every last statistic. My eye test is good enough for me. Chester played well in 2012, and last year he was flat out awful. Just my opinion. If you don't like it, you can move on.

[DaSkinz Baby]

riggofan, I saw those guys get routinely beaten in games by average D-Linemen. I don't know what other back up you want. I will not research every last statistic. My eye test is good enough for me. Chester played well in 2012, and last year he was flat out awful. Just my opinion. If you don't like it, you can move on.

PAPDOG67 you da man......

[riggofan]

riggofan, I saw those guys get routinely beaten in games by average D-Linemen. I don't know what other back up you want. I will not research every last statistic. My eye test is good enough for me. Chester played well in 2012, and last year he was flat out awful. Just my opinion. If you don't like it, you can move on.

PAPDOG67 you da man......

Looks like a love connection.

[Chris Luva Luva]

riggofan, I saw those guys get routinely beaten in games by average D-Linemen. I don't know what other back up you want. I will not research every last statistic. My eye test is good enough for me. Chester played well in 2012, and last year he was flat out awful. Just my opinion. If you don't like it, you can move on.

PAPDOG67 you da man......

Looks like a love connection.

You're not doing it right when DaSkinz Baby is endorsing your posts.

[riggofan]

riggofan, I saw those guys get routinely beaten in games by average D-Linemen. I don't know what other back up you want. I will not research every last statistic. My eye test is good enough for me. Chester played well in 2012, and last year he was flat out awful. Just my opinion. If you don't like it, you can move on.

I don't have any problem with your opinion of Chester. You might even be right, and I think a lot of people agree with you. I have a problem with "Apparently some on here accept mediocre and sub-par play." Its a stupid statement.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I will not research every last statistic.

Problem is, nobody is asking for that. Nobody expects that because it's unrealistic. But some of us are really into the game, and pay attention to the analysis that's been conducted by former players and reputable websites. Some people use those findings, to enrich their analysis done via "eye test". So when people just spout of BS in the face of facts and sound analysis, they tend to get called out on it.

I'm not saying that you spouted BS. I'm speaking generally. I'll watch someone ignore a FACT and reply in hyerbolish conjecture. AND then complain that they're being flamed. LMAO

[PAPDOG67]

Riggofan, I have been seeing a lot of people lobbying for us to keep a majority of the players on our team. I also see a lot of posters who seem to say, "so and so did a good job last year." If that was the case, how in the heck did we go 3-13??? As far as I'm concerned, there are only about a dozen or so guys on the entire roster who I believe in fact did a good job last year, the rest of them I would have no problem with if we cut bait with them. To me, that is excepting mediocre play. I'm not saying you in particular, just a lot of posters in general.

[DaSkinz Baby]

Riggofan, I have been seeing a lot of people lobbying for us to keep a majority of the players on our team. I also see a lot of posters who seem to say, "so and so did a good job last year." If that was the case, how in the heck did we go 3-13??? As far as I'm concerned, there are only about a dozen or so guys on the entire roster who I believe in fact did a good job last year, the rest of them I would have no problem with if we cut bait with them. To me, that is excepting mediocre play. I'm not saying you in particular, just a lot of posters in general.

Popdog67 it's all good. Anyone that watched the games last year and saw the right side of the line be dominated by what I perceive as 87% of all opponents faced understand that Chris Chester and Tyler Polumbus need to be replaced ASAP. I for one wasn't excited with Chester from day one, he stunk in Baltimore! That is why he was let go! In regards to Polumbus if we never would have been screwed to the tune of 36 million can anyone on here not being a heroin addict really believe that Chester and Polumbus would have been our starting right side line? Sorry I can't buy into that. I will even back that up with various media outlets saying that they are only here and starting because of cap gate. I know we can't fill every hole but I think replacing Chester is PARAMOUNT. Polumbus I hope loses his position and roster spot to someone either already signed or someone we either sign or pickup. For me, and what I saw last year, and I know we are talking about very slim pickings but I would have liked to see contracts terminated on a great many players from last years roster.

[Chris Luva Luva]

As far as I'm concerned, there are only about a dozen or so guys on the entire roster who I believe in fact did a good job last year, the rest of them I would have no problem with if we cut bait with them. To me, that is excepting mediocre play. I'm not saying you in particular, just a lot of posters in general.

That's a fair stance to have but lets be realistic. Do we have enough cap room and draft picks to overhaul this roster aside from 12 players? We don't. So people will have varying opinions of who to keep, who to let go? Lets use Chester for example.

He's played fairly well up until last year. He's been particularly solid at RG, correct me if I'm wrong. 2013 was a bad year, for everyone, not just Chester. He gets cut after one year of down play? I guess RGIII needs to go. Kirk too, he looked pretty ratty at the end. Jordan Reed can't stay healthy..., cut him. Logan Paulsen, bye-bye.

I like to ask, why did he have a bad year? Was it him? Was it injury? Was it him trying to compensate for a weakness elsewhere on the line? Was it scheme? Was it Robert causing the pocket to collapse by not staying in it? Those are the questions that IMO foster great discussion. Those are the questions we need answered to truly come to a decisive conclusion. Posters simply saying, "my eyeball says he sucks, there that's what it is and u can't tell me diff", is just kinda tired in certain situations.

For the Redskins situations, lack of draft picks, cap situation, depth situation, HC transition, what can realistically be expected? What can really be done?

[DaSkinz Baby]

Well looks like we may have possibly signed Tyler Polumbus's replacement. Bruce Campbell from Maryland, hasn't done nothing in the NFL. But at 6'6 320 pounds and costing 600,000 on a 1 year deal. I would chose him over Polumbus!!! Can't be any worse!!!! Come on Forrester, make your money and coach this dude to be a good one!!!

[riggofan]

Man, I'm sure there are quite a few players who were only on our roster because of capgate. There is no debating that! I still think its smart to look at each player objectively like Chris is saying rather than just write everybody off as "he sucks" because he was on that 3-13 nightmare.

Not defending Chester btw. Personally I would like to see changes on the o-line mainly towards bigger guys who can protect RGIII and away from these smaller "he can run the ZBS" guys.

Riggofan, I have been seeing a lot of people lobbying for us to keep a majority of the players on our team.

hah. I don't know about that, especially after the 3-13 season. There are a lot of guys who need to go.

[DaSkinz Baby]

As far as I'm concerned, there are only about a dozen or so guys on the entire roster who I believe in fact did a good job last year, the rest of them I would have no problem with if we cut bait with them. To me, that is excepting mediocre play. I'm not saying you in particular, just a lot of posters in general.

That's a fair stance to have but lets be realistic. Do we have enough cap room and draft picks to overhaul this roster aside from 12 players? We don't. So people will have varying opinions of who to keep, who to let go? Lets use Chester for example.

He's played fairly well up until last year. He's been particularly solid at RG, correct me if I'm wrong. 2013 was a bad year, for everyone, not just Chester. He gets cut after one year of down play? I guess RGIII needs to go. Kirk too, he looked pretty ratty at the end. Jordan Reed can't stay healthy..., cut him. Logan Paulsen, bye-bye.

I like to ask, why did he have a bad year? Was it him? Was it injury? Was it him trying to compensate for a weakness elsewhere on the line? Was it scheme? Was it Robert causing the pocket to collapse by not staying in it? Those are the questions that IMO foster great discussion. Those are the questions we need answered to truly come to a decisive conclusion. Posters simply saying, "my eyeball says he sucks, there that's what it is and u can't tell me diff", is just kinda tired in certain situations.

For the Redskins situations, lack of draft picks, cap situation, depth situation, HC transition, what can realistically be expected? What can really be done?

These are legitimate questions, however I think and maybe this is a reach, Shanahan has a lot to do with the decline last year. I for one take the time out to research and look at all players the Skins sign if I haven't heard of him. In regards to Chester, since I follow the Ratbirds to some degree in the AFC, I had seen his play prior to his signing and again saw him as the weak link on Baltimore's offensive line, then they cut him and we sign him for millions, another par for the course signing IMHO, I would not say Chester every played up to the millions he has been paid and we can say that his best year was the 2012 season. Logan Paulsen is a good blocking TE that seemed to catch the Aldrick Robinson disease last year. I know we can't replace everyone all at once, and I also understand that the Cap Penalty will haunt us for about 3-4 years, however having a franchise QB FINALLY I would think that we need to have the best lineman and I believe that there are better options out there for us than Chester and Polumbus, even if the defense suffers as a result. We know a 1 legged RGIII isn't the answer, I think a healthy one will be, but time will tell................