Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?

[OldSchool]

ROY honors automatically subtract the word BUST from the equation people.

Does anyone think he wouldn't have been successful in Russel Wilson's role?
Give me a break.. this TEAM needs help all around, including the line, the D, wr- all the supporting roles a qb needs strong- as well as Robert. If we see no improvement from him AFTER season 3 then we can talk... Fact is the whole team regressed not just the qb position.
I predict he will change some oldskewl point of views, and silence the haters.

Trade cousins while you can.. his stock hasn't improved and anything in the 2nd round or better is a great roi. RG3 is our guy, with the proper support he will meet or exceed expectations- he works to hard not to!

I don't think ROY stops Griffin from being a bust at all. He ran around playing backyard ball until it caught up to him and he got hurt, big deal. If team spends 3 first round and 1 second round pick for a guy he really has to be great not to be a bust. Griffin QB skills are very limited and he's a divisive prima dona so far.

Russell Wilson can read defenses and understands the the mental part of the game in addition being mobile. I think Wilson dwarfs Griffin and I don't have any reason believe Griffin would have performed in better with the Seahawks because he wouldn't have been more motivated to learn the mental part of the game. Griffin is Griffin.

I don't know what's more moronic... thinking I want to hear the same "backyard" b.s. excuse over and over, or thinking that because you post it for the hundredth time it will magically be true?
Wilson has the supporting cast... he doesn't do half of what rgiii has done and has to do to win. Wilson has a better TEAM, meaning its not all on him every game. He can be selective with his throws because he can win with 120 yards passing. His D scores nearly as much as him, if not more. His throws are wide open most the time... and look at his weapons man, seriously!

Backyard ball? Watch the skins vs saints game his rookie debut then watch any Seahawks game (vs the rams where they barely beat a back up qb comes to mind) and tell me who is playing back yard ball. Russel does more of the things you criticize and less of the things you accuse rgiii of. Don't get t twisted man, rgiii would k ill it in Seattle, just as much as Wilson would have struggled here.

What you say about Wilson is true he does play on a better team. What I say about Wilson is also true, that unlike Griffin Wilson knows how to read defenses, adjust protections, audible out of bad plays, read post snap defenses, work through his progressions, shift within his pocket and judiciously scramble to extend plays without taken hits. Wilson is a real quarterback not grossly over committed project like Griffin. It doesn't matter one iota if Griffin can run like a deer and throw lightening bolts when really healthy if he can't learn or hasn't learned the fundamental part of the QB job than he's just playing backyard.

Oh, one other thing the reason you find my posts so irritating is a part of you really fears I am right and the thought Griffin is a bust is very disturbing to you.

[Deadskins]

Some one please point me to the block button..?

Click on the username of the person who's posts you wish to ignore, then click "Add foe."

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

ROY honors automatically subtract the word BUST from the equation people.

Does anyone think he wouldn't have been successful in Russel Wilson's role?
Give me a break.. this TEAM needs help all around, including the line, the D, wr- all the supporting roles a qb needs strong- as well as Robert. If we see no improvement from him AFTER season 3 then we can talk... Fact is the whole team regressed not just the qb position.
I predict he will change some oldskewl point of views, and silence the haters.

Trade cousins while you can.. his stock hasn't improved and anything in the 2nd round or better is a great roi. RG3 is our guy, with the proper support he will meet or exceed expectations- he works to hard not ote]

I don't know what's more moronic... thinking I want to hear the same "backyard" b.s. excuse over and over, or thinking that because you post it for the hundredth time it will magically be true?
Wilson has the supporting cast... he doesn't do half of what rgiii has done and has to do to win. Wilson has a better TEAM, meaning its not all on him every game. He can be selective with his throws because he can win with 120 yards passing. His D scores nearly as much as him, if not more. His throws are wide open most the time... and look at his weapons man, seriously!

Backyard ball? Watch the skins vs saints game his rookie debut then watch any Seahawks game (vs the rams where they barely beat a back up qb comes to mind) and tell me who is playing back yard ball. Russel does more of the things you criticize and less of the things you accuse rgiii of. Don't get t twisted man, rgiii would k ill it in Seattle, just as much as Wilson would have struggled here.

What you say about Wilson is true he does play on a better team. What I say about Wilson is also true, that unlike Griffin Wilson knows how to read defenses, adjust protections, audible out of bad plays, read post snap defenses, work through his progressions, shift within his pocket and judiciously scramble to extend plays without taken hits. Wilson is a real quarterback not grossly over committed project like Griffin. It doesn't matter one iota if Griffin can run like a deer and throw lightening bolts when really healthy if he can't learn or hasn't learned the fundamental part of the QB job than he's just playing backyard.

Oh, one other thing the reason you find my posts so irritating is a part of you really fears I am right and the thought Griffin is a bust is very disturbing to you.

No. The reason I'm adding you to the foe list is because your posts are like arguing with puke fan. You don't present facts, you pass off opinion as if they are with no supporting evidence. To make matters worse you always resort to the same blanket statement that is complete ludicrous. Fyi if Griffin was playing "backyard ball" he wouldn't be in the nfl jack. Period.
I've presented facts backed with stats, game tape, and accurate analysis that you for some reason refuse to acknowledge. That is whats irritating.
It is your choice to continue to scrutinize our first hope of a franchise qb in decades. You can choose to see the glass half empty and blame all our woes on a second year player returning from a major surgery. You can choose to chalk his record setting rookie year as a fluke, and blame his freak injury on his style of play. You can paint any picture of Wilson you like and choose to not see RGiii making progress reading defenses, barking presnap orders, going through his progressions, and playing safer/smarter.
I choose to not give a Damn what you post, since RGIII is who we got. I have pride in my team and have followed this man since before he was winning the hiesman. I have hope. Call it blind faith, its all I got man. I hope he proves you wrong.... but I won't be the one telling you I told you so. Cheer up man, he's the real deal... you'll see.

[Chris Luva Luva]

It's totally valid to feel many different ways about RGIII but to label him a bust just removes all credibility from your post.

It's time to trade Kirk. His contract will be up before we know it, ship him off and get a 2nd for him if possible. We need depth, we need starters. Use a 6th to pick up a kid to develop.

[langleyparkjoe]

Heard on 980 yesterday evening that the Browns said they ARE NOT interested in Capt. Kirk..
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[Chris Luva Luva]

Heard on 980 yesterday evening that the Browns said they ARE NOT interested in Capt. Kirk..
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Like they would come out and say that they were...

I don't know the likelihood of this trade happening but like Adam Shefter said, it's in the Browns best interest to do their due diligence and at the very least look into the possibility.

[langleyparkjoe]

Heard on 980 yesterday evening that the Browns said they ARE NOT interested in Capt. Kirk..
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Like they would come out and say that they were...

I don't know the likelihood of this trade happening but like Adam Shefter said, it's in the Browns best interest to do their due diligence and at the very least look into the possibility.

I thought about that too CLL but they are dumb as hell to come out and say they're not interested if they really are because what if the Skins trade him to another team yuh know?

[riggofan]

Yeah who knows what all of the posturing is about. Here is PFT's comment on it:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... k-cousins/

The most likely scenario for the Browns is that they’ll be starting a rookie first-round draft pick like Johnny Manziel, Blake Bortles or Teddy Bridgewater in 2014, and that Brian Hoyer will be that rookie’s backup. It’s nice that Cousins knows Shanahan’s offense, but the Browns aren’t likely to hand over the future of the franchise to a quarterback who has a passer rating of 68.6 in Shanahan’s offense.

Maybe its true, and they have no interest in Cousins. There are PLENTY of reasons though to deny interest. This is stuff you say before you negotiate: we're not giving up a first rounder for Cousins because he has a bad passer rating and we already have Brian Hoyer. You also deny it so you don't burn any bridges with Hoyer if something doesn't happen.

I'll be curious to see what they do. My gut tells me that they would try to draft the QB with their first rounder. I just don't know that any of those QBs coming out this year are sure thing, day one starters. What do you think?

[Chris Luva Luva]

I thought about that too CLL but they are dumb as hell to come out and say they're not interested if they really are because what if the Skins trade him to another team yuh know?

That's if you believe everything that comes from the PR side of the house... Do you really believe that the PR side speaks for the GM and coaches? I'd have my PR firm lie to you all day long. Just as mentioned above, you say the right things in public as to not step on toes and offend anyone. Behind closed doors, they could be evaluating the possibility of acquiring Kirk. Or maybe they aren't.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

From what we learned from papa shanny... don't buy into the pressers to much

[OldSchool]

It's totally valid to feel many different ways about RGIII but to label him a bust just removes all credibility from your post.

It's time to trade Kirk. His contract will be up before we know it, ship him off and get a 2nd for him if possible. We need depth, we need starters. Use a 6th to pick up a kid to develop.

I agree with trading Cousins for a player the Skins will use or a draft pick. Get a receiver or OL that will help Griffin be more effective. Barring an ownership change the Skins are committed to Griffin for a couple of more years so rather than sitting on Cousins until they lose him trade him and resign Grossman as a backup.

[OldSchool]

It's totally valid to feel many different ways about RGIII but to label him a bust just removes all credibility from your post.

It's time to trade Kirk. His contract will be up before we know it, ship him off and get a 2nd for him if possible. We need depth, we need starters. Use a 6th to pick up a kid to develop.

Three first round picks and second for a prima doña who can run like a deer when healthy and throw a ball 80 yards but does not know even the most basic mental parts of quarterbacking sounds like a can't miss Bust Hall of Shame Candidate to me. When 1 high first round pick is used for player that never really makes it in the league he is consider a bust. Remember Heath Schuler? The Skins only wasted 1 first round on him. Griffin cost the Skins more than 3 times as much and he is just a project. ROY by running around backyard style before getting hurt doesn't impress me. His character is even worse than his play, he's a bust.

[Countertrey]

There's a concept that applies primarily to children below the age of 5, called "magical thinking"... all they need to make something true is to think it... a lot... you know... put on the ruby slippers... click your heels together... "there's no place like home"... repeat...

[DarthMonk]

There's a concept that applies primarily to children below the age of 5, called "magical thinking"... all they need to make something true is to think it... a lot... you know... put on the ruby slippers... click your heels together... "there's no place like home"... repeat...

I've heard of that.

This link from Griff's 1st NFL game shows his many deficiencies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVb5tyyrMbE

:19 to :24 shows his inability to slide properly.

:30 to :40 shows his inability to hang in the pocket and deliver an accurate ball as someone is bearing down on him.

:50 shows how much his teammates hate him. No one helps him up.

1:10 to 1:20 shows his propensity to take off on a backyard run instead of looking downfield when confronted with the slightest breakdown in protection.

I'm sure 1:23 to 1:29 shows something terrible with regards to his mental abilites but I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe he failed to change a protection.

1:40 to 1:50 again shows his propensity to take off on a backyard run instead of looking downfield when confronted with the slightest breakdown in protection.

2:05 to 2:10 shows a complete lack of understanding of what an aggressive defense might be up to.

2:27 shows another horrible decision which is exacerbated by lack of accuracy.

2:40 to 2:47 again shows his inability to hang in the pocket and deliver an accurate ball as someone is bearing down on him.

2:50 to 2:55 must again show something terrible with regards to his mental abilites but I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe he failed to change a protection again.

This guy never could play at this level and never will. He lacks intelligence and commitment. He's simply a quarter horse crossed with Randy Johnson. He's a centaur not a griffin.

Trade him now and promote the Captain.

[Kilmer72]

There's a concept that applies primarily to children below the age of 5, called "magical thinking"... all they need to make something true is to think it... a lot... you know... put on the ruby slippers... click your heels together... "there's no place like home"... repeat...

I've heard of that.

This link from Griff's 1st NFL game shows his many deficiencies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVb5tyyrMbE

:19 to :24 shows his inability to slide properly.

:30 to :40 shows his inability to hang in the pocket and deliver an accurate ball as someone is bearing down on him.

:50 shows how much his teammates hate him. No one helps him up.

1:10 to 1:20 shows his propensity to take off on a backyard run instead of looking downfield when confronted with the slightest breakdown in protection.

I'm sure 1:23 to 1:29 shows something terrible with regards to his mental abilites but I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe he failed to change a protection.

1:40 to 1:50 again shows his propensity to take off on a backyard run instead of looking downfield when confronted with the slightest breakdown in protection.

2:05 to 2:10 shows a complete lack of understanding of what an aggressive defense might be up to.

2:27 shows another horrible decision which is exacerbated by lack of accuracy.

2:40 to 2:47 again shows his inability to hang in the pocket and deliver an accurate ball as someone is bearing down on him.

2:50 to 2:55 must again show something terrible with regards to his mental abilites but I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe he failed to change a protection again.

This guy never could play at this level and never will. He lacks intelligence and commitment. He's simply a quarter horse crossed with Randy Johnson. He's a centaur not a griffin.

Trade him now and promote the Captain.

Careful, some may not know you are kidding even though it is obvious.

[riggofan]

Careful, some may not know you are kidding even though it is obvious.

lol. I didn't remember DarthMonk being an RGIII hater. Had to actually watch some of the video!

[emoses14]

There's a concept that applies primarily to children below the age of 5, called "magical thinking"... all they need to make something true is to think it... a lot... you know... put on the ruby slippers... click your heels together... "there's no place like home"... repeat...

[emoses14]

There's a concept that applies primarily to children below the age of 5, called "magical thinking"... all they need to make something true is to think it... a lot... you know... put on the ruby slippers... click your heels together... "there's no place like home"... repeat...

I've heard of that.

This link from Griff's 1st NFL game shows his many deficiencies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVb5tyyrMbE

:19 to :24 shows his inability to slide properly.

:30 to :40 shows his inability to hang in the pocket and deliver an accurate ball as someone is bearing down on him.

:50 shows how much his teammates hate him. No one helps him up.

1:10 to 1:20 shows his propensity to take off on a backyard run instead of looking downfield when confronted with the slightest breakdown in protection.

I'm sure 1:23 to 1:29 shows something terrible with regards to his mental abilites but I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe he failed to change a protection.

1:40 to 1:50 again shows his propensity to take off on a backyard run instead of looking downfield when confronted with the slightest breakdown in protection.

2:05 to 2:10 shows a complete lack of understanding of what an aggressive defense might be up to.

2:27 shows another horrible decision which is exacerbated by lack of accuracy.

2:40 to 2:47 again shows his inability to hang in the pocket and deliver an accurate ball as someone is bearing down on him.

2:50 to 2:55 must again show something terrible with regards to his mental abilites but I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe he failed to change a protection again.

This guy never could play at this level and never will. He lacks intelligence and commitment. He's simply a quarter horse crossed with Randy Johnson. He's a centaur not a griffin.

Trade him now and promote the Captain.

And his character is crappy, too. Don't forget he is a prima donna as well.

[OldSchool]

Believe what you wish about Griffin I've done my best to educate you but you'd rather to cling to your dream, I don't care I understand to a man you guys really emotionally invested in Griffin. That said, a deal with Cleveland may really in the works and I think it would make sense the new regimes in both cities to do it now and show progress and build momentum. Checkout this story with Kyle quotes:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... -redskins/

Kyle makes it clear that he thinks Cousins has the skills to become a starter but hasn't had the opportunity. Maybe the Browns send the Skins a second or third round pick for Cousins and everyone wins. Everyone, the Skins can use it for a receiver or blocker to help Griffin, Griffin gets rid of Cousins, Cousins finally gets his chance to start with an OC who believes in him, Kyle gets a QB who knows his system well and executes it quickly and may really light it up with the Cleveland receivers, and this trade validates one of the controversial choices he and his dad made while at the Skins. The new Skins coach may also appreciate eliminating a potential QB controversy that could erupt if Griffin doesn't rebound strong this year. It would simplify his environment since he's mandated to turn a sows purse into a silk with Griffin, he has a reason to have a non controversial backup too. Finally think of yourselves, if Griffin is useless again in 2014 and Cousins is riding the pine I will be venting in here non stop, so you win too, there are really lots of winners in this trade scenario.

[emoses14]

Believe the facts about Griffin's character and work ethic. You know, facts, those things that can be verified and corroborated rather than imagiwished out of thin air.

http://realredskins.com/2014/02/06/rg3- ... ing-camps/

A few weeks ago, I was in the Redskins broadcast studio when Robert Griffin III walked i[n]. Among the things he told me and Larry Michael was that one of his first orders of business would be to set up a passing camp with he and his receivers getting out of town for a few days of work and bonding.

Pierre Garçon talked to Michael on radio row at the Super Bowl last week and he said that Griffin already has the passing camp organized. Although he didn’t specify any dates, Garçon made it sound like planning for multiple is in the advanced stages.

“We’ve already got that date set up. We’ve already got a place,” said Garçon. “We’re going to go to Arizona, work out there. We’ll probably do some more in Ashburn. Probably go to Baylor a little bit. We’re definitely going to be around. Probably go to Miami. I’m trying to talk him into going to Miami. South Florida is home. I don’t mind going to Arizona, going to Baylor, going to different places. I enjoy traveling.”

In 2012, Griffin’s rookie year, he and some receivers met up in Waco, Texas, where Baylor is located, between the end of minicamp and the start of training camp. Last year, there were no sessions as Griffin was working to rehab his injured right knee.

[fredp45]

If someone knocked our socks off with an offer, made the trade. If not, keep him.

If we do trade him, we'd either need to spend a pick or cap space on a backup...who would we get?

I'd be happy if he were our 2nd string QB this year.

[OldSchool]

Emoses,

You think he has a great work ethic fine, explain to me why Griffin has learned how to read defenses well enough to make pre snap reads, according to Chris ey and other knowledgeable analysts one of his offensive linemen has to do that and make the call to shift the protection scheme. We are told the young man is very bright and he did graduate from Baylor early so let's stipulate he has the smarts to learn this but after two years he hasn't learned the most elemental of quarterback responsibilities the pre snap read. If he is a hard worker why hasn't learned how to do this?

[OldSchool]

There's a concept that applies primarily to children below the age of 5, called "magical thinking"... all they need to make something true is to think it... a lot... you know... put on the ruby slippers... click your heels together... "there's no place like home"... repeat...

You're on to something, now I have term for the condition you guys suffer from, magical thinking, excellent!

"RGIII is football Jesus!" Heel click...

"RGIII is football Jesus!" Louder heel clink...

Still not feeling it....

[emoses14]

"I'm rubber, you're glue. . ." That's what we're dealing with now?

[DarthMonk]

... explain to me why Griffin has learned how to read defenses well enough to make pre snap reads, according to Chris ey ...

The Deadman debunked this a few weeks ago. Actually, you debunked it yourself with a link you posted that a few of us actually read.

Also, you probably meant to type "has NOT learned ..."

You make a few good points sometimes but always end up descending into going way over the top with your Griff bashing. I think most of us are willing to say he regressed after a terrific rookie year but all you seem to see is athleticism and nothing else.

You keep raising the same tired (and false) points ... can't read defenses, can't change a protection, backyard football.

Every QB who has ever lived has failed to make the proper read, or missed a protection change that would have saved a play, or bailed out too early. Griff does it a few more times than is to your liking and all of a sudden he never has done it and is still incapable. Your claims simply fly in the face of what all of us have seen with our own eyes ... including Chris C00ley and "other knowledgeable analysts."

FWIW, I happen to agree with the first half of your 3-posts-ago post where you cite many benefits of trading Cousins. Then you go off the deep end again.