Kirk Cousins trade - realISTIC possibility?

[riggofan]

Soooooo.... Kirk Cousins possibly joining Kyle in Cleveland? What do you think?

[Deadskins]

Link?

[riggofan]

Link?

Seriously? You haven't heard ANYTHING about this over the past two days???

[riggofan]

Kirk Cousins reportedly open to trade from Redskins
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... m-redskins

Washington Redskins: Could Kirk Cousins Follow Kyle Shanahan to the Cleveland Browns?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/washington ... --nfl.html

NFL Trade Rumors: Kirk Cousins to Cleveland Browns?
http://www.digitaljournal.com/sports/nf ... cle/368619

The Cleveland Browns have looked for a franchise quarterback for years and the team was expected to take a new signal caller in the upcoming NFL Draft, but things could change if recent reports come true.
Kirk Cousins of the Washington Redskins has shown in his brief time on the football field that he is starting quarterback material, but stuck behind Robert Griffin, the 25 year-old mostly sits and watches form the bench, but with former offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan now running the Browns offense, trade rumors have hit the Internet in recent weeks and it could make sense for both teams to look deeper into a possible deal.
Washington paid a big price in draft picks to acquire Griffin, costing them their first round pick in 014, but trading Cousins could help elevate that problem and give the Redskins some much needed younger talent on the team with added picks this year and possible in 2015.

This was kind of an obvious and inevitable rumor to pop up with Kyle getting hired in Cleveland. But I did hear John Clayton on ESPN this morning saying he thought it was likely Cousins would be traded this offseason. Guess we'll see...

[gushogs]

So, you let a guy and his daddy destroy your team and then you agree to a trade to get your valuable players? Only if we get 3 1st rounders....
HaiL,

[emoses14]

So, you let a guy and his daddy destroy your team and then you agree to a trade to get your valuable players? Only if we get 3 1st rounders....
HaiL,

Wait, Kirk and his dad have destroyed the Redskins?! The team announced a trade of a our valuable players? How many was that?

What the hell is going on around here?

edit: You were talking about Mike and Kyle weren't you? If so, nothing to see here, I thought you were referring to Griffin and his dad.

[riggofan]

So, you let a guy and his daddy destroy your team and then you agree to a trade to get your valuable players? Only if we get 3 1st rounders....
HaiL,

Wait, Kirk and his dad have destroyed the Redskins?! The team announced a trade of a our valuable players? How many was that?

What the hell is going on around here?

edit: You were talking about Mike and Kyle weren't you? If so, nothing to see here, I thought you were referring to Griffin and his dad.

Either way I'm not sure what it has to do with trading Cousins. We shouldn't trade Cousins because... Mike and Kyle were here?

We've talked a lot about possibly trading Cousins over the past year or two. I've personally never found it all that realistic, because I don't think KC has shown enough that I could see a team giving us a 2d or 3d round pick for him and it would be stupid to trade him for less than that.

Kyle to Cleveland changes that a little bit. 1) Kyle knows how valuable KC is or isn't. 2) The Browns are in dire need of a QB. 3) The Browns have two first round picks. They could probably afford to part with at least their second rounder.

Not saying it will happen or that its even likely, but its at least interesting. The Browns could get two top notch, day one starters with their first round picks instead of drafting a rookie QB. Cousins is a guy who can run Kyle's offense immediately.

[HEROHAMO]

Teams will always need a QB. Its the most valuable position on a football team. With that being said of course teams are going to be interested in Kirk. I think a second round pick sounds reasonable. We should try to get the most we can get but no less then a second round pick.

[Mississippi Hog]

The Browns GM, Lombardi, wrote this article for NFL.com in 2012. I think this is part of what has driven the talk. If they offer a high second round pick, I would be interested and counter with them giving us another conditional pick in next year's draft (conditions making it anywhere from a 2-4). If they offer a first rounder, I take it.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... many-teams

[Countertrey]

^ Yes... in a second.

[OldSchool]

Yes, the Skins should trade Cousins. He'll leave on his own soon enough, he won't get more valuable sitting on the pine so trading Cousins now for a receiver to help Griffin makes sense.

As you all know I am not impressed with Griffin, I think he's a bust but since the Skins are all in for Griffin they might as well trade Couisins to get a player to help Griffin. Get what you can and move on.

[PAPDOG67]

Mississippi Hog, I'm with you 100% in that scenario. If they offer their 2nd rounder this year and a conditional, you do it. Also, its interesting to see so many experts labeling RGIII as a bust already. If you watched enough NFL over the years you should know that year three is where you tell a player's full value. To label a guy before then is just silly in my opinion.

[Deadskins]

its interesting to see so many experts labeling RGIII as a bust already.

So many? Who? There are a few here that use the bust label, but I haven't heard that from anyone mainstream. Just the opposite, really.

[riggofan]

its interesting to see so many experts labeling RGIII as a bust already.

So many? Who? There are a few here that use the bust label, but I haven't heard that from anyone mainstream. Just the opposite, really.

Yeah can't say I've heard "bust" lately. Seems to just be a lot of uncertainty with RGIII.

[Deadskins]

its interesting to see so many experts labeling RGIII as a bust already.

So many? Who? There are a few here that use the bust label, but I haven't heard that from anyone mainstream. Just the opposite, really.

Yeah can't say I've heard "bust" lately. Seems to just be a lot of uncertainty with RGIII.

I've never heard "bust" at all, and the only uncertainty was as to when he would be returning to his rookie form. There wasn't even doubt that that would eventually happen, only doubt as to when.

[riggofan]

I've never heard "bust" at all, and the only uncertainty was as to when he would be returning to his rookie form. There wasn't even doubt that that would eventually happen, only doubt as to when.

I must be misreading you. You're saying NOBODY doubts RGIII will be back to form next next???

I think there are plenty of doubters out there, or at least a lot of "let's wait and see" people when it comes to RGIII. I heard Mike Golic yesterday during his interview with Clayton say he would hold on to Cousins, because you still don't know for sure if RGIII is going to get back to where he was.

Totally agree with you about the "bust" part. I haven't seen or heard anybody respectable say anything like that.

[cleg]

I have not heard anyone say he is a bust except fans. He is not talked about as much anymore with the young QBs - which is probably a good thing. I look at Cam Newton and how awful he looked his second year, poor play, poor media experiences and that towel over his head thing. I don't think Robert had as bad a second year as Cam but it was bad.

I say trade Cousins and resign Rex. Rex has no value to anyone but us but, if you are being honest, you know he can come in for a game or two and be fine. Robert has to mature and become a true leader. I think his skills will improve. Russell Wilson has a ring but do any of you really think he is better than Robert? I don't - I think he is on a very good team with an incredible defense. I don't think that punk Kaepernick is better either. The only other young QB I would trade Robert for is Luck - that's it.

[riggofan]

I say trade Cousins and resign Rex. Rex has no value to anyone but us but, if you are being honest, you know he can come in for a game or two and be fine.

Yep, I totally agree about keeping Rex as the backup if a KC trade happened. By all accounts, RGIII is comfortable with him and he has filled the mentor role. Plus, there will never be a QB controversy with Rex as the #2.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

ROY honors automatically subtract the word BUST from the equation people.

Does anyone think he wouldn't have been successful in Russel Wilson's role?
Give me a break.. this TEAM needs help all around, including the line, the D, wr- all the supporting roles a qb needs strong- as well as Robert. If we see no improvement from him AFTER season 3 then we can talk... Fact is the whole team regressed not just the qb position.
I predict he will change some oldskewl point of views, and silence the haters.

Trade cousins while you can.. his stock hasn't improved and anything in the 2nd round or better is a great roi. RG3 is our guy, with the proper support he will meet or exceed expectations- he works to hard not to!

[Countertrey]

ROY honors automatically subtract the word BUST from the equation people.

Does anyone think he wouldn't have been successful in Russel Wilson's role?
Give me a break.. this TEAM needs help all around, including the line, the D, wr- all the supporting roles a qb needs strong- as well as Robert. If we see no improvement from him AFTER season 3 then we can talk... Fact is the whole team regressed not just the qb position.
I predict he will change some oldskewl point of views, and silence the haters.

Trade cousins while you can.. his stock hasn't improved and anything in the 2nd round or better is a great roi. RG3 is our guy, with the proper support he will meet or exceed expectations- he works to hard not to!

Not quite... His value is not going to go down... He will be just as trade-able in August... maybe moreso, as the possibility of a team being desperate grows as preseason may take out a starter...

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

ROY honors automatically subtract the word BUST from the equation people.

Does anyone think he wouldn't have been successful in Russel Wilson's role?
Give me a break.. this TEAM needs help all around, including the line, the D, wr- all the supporting roles a qb needs strong- as well as Robert. If we see no improvement from him AFTER season 3 then we can talk... Fact is the whole team regressed not just the qb position.
I predict he will change some oldskewl point of views, and silence the haters.

Trade cousins while you can.. his stock hasn't improved and anything in the 2nd round or better is a great roi. RG3 is our guy, with the proper support he will meet or exceed expectations- he works to hard not to!

Not quite... His value is not going to go down... He will be just as trade-able in August... maybe moreso, as the possibility of a team being desperate grows as preseason may take out a starter...

Precisely.
I'm just saying it wasn't like the year before where he was the top rated back up qb.. We saw a qb that has IT but also faces the same struggles as any young qb. All his picks weren't horrible but he didn't improve his stock this year. If rgiii plays lights out and Kirk doesn't see the field next year we run the risk of getting nothing for him as he hits free agency.
If there is a demand and the price is right, we need to seize the moment and get our return on the investment. At this point we have a starter and Kirk might be able to afford us another one for an area of need. Sign the dotted line!

[Kilmer72]

If we can get a 2nd or better for Cousins then take it. Problem is Jay sounds like he is going to run Robert some more. If something happens to him then we need another QB on the bench that can go. I wouldn't mind seeing Cousins going just so I don't have to hear anymore about the back up QB, it will hurt us if anything happens to Robert. Cousins really didn't have a prayer just like Robert. We don't know how many if any changes will take place on the oline this year. Sounds like they want to run the zone blocking with Lichtensteiger at center maybe, a lighter center than we already have. I'm not too sure how safe any QB is going to be under these circumstances but time will tell. If we can't get a 2nd or better keep him.

[OldSchool]

ROY honors automatically subtract the word BUST from the equation people.

Does anyone think he wouldn't have been successful in Russel Wilson's role?
Give me a break.. this TEAM needs help all around, including the line, the D, wr- all the supporting roles a qb needs strong- as well as Robert. If we see no improvement from him AFTER season 3 then we can talk... Fact is the whole team regressed not just the qb position.
I predict he will change some oldskewl point of views, and silence the haters.

Trade cousins while you can.. his stock hasn't improved and anything in the 2nd round or better is a great roi. RG3 is our guy, with the proper support he will meet or exceed expectations- he works to hard not to!

I don't think ROY stops Griffin from being a bust at all. He ran around playing backyard ball until it caught up to him and he got hurt, big deal. If team spends 3 first round and 1 second round pick for a guy he really has to be great not to be a bust. Griffin QB skills are very limited and he's a divisive prima dona so far.

Russell Wilson can read defenses and understands the the mental part of the game in addition being mobile. I think Wilson dwarfs Griffin and I don't have any reason believe Griffin would have performed in better with the Seahawks because he wouldn't have been more motivated to learn the mental part of the game. Griffin is Griffin.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

ROY honors automatically subtract the word BUST from the equation people.

Does anyone think he wouldn't have been successful in Russel Wilson's role?
Give me a break.. this TEAM needs help all around, including the line, the D, wr- all the supporting roles a qb needs strong- as well as Robert. If we see no improvement from him AFTER season 3 then we can talk... Fact is the whole team regressed not just the qb position.
I predict he will change some oldskewl point of views, and silence the haters.

Trade cousins while you can.. his stock hasn't improved and anything in the 2nd round or better is a great roi. RG3 is our guy, with the proper support he will meet or exceed expectations- he works to hard not to!

I don't think ROY stops Griffin from being a bust at all. He ran around playing backyard ball until it caught up to him and he got hurt, big deal. If team spends 3 first round and 1 second round pick for a guy he really has to be great not to be a bust. Griffin QB skills are very limited and he's a divisive prima dona so far.

Russell Wilson can read defenses and understands the the mental part of the game in addition being mobile. I think Wilson dwarfs Griffin and I don't have any reason believe Griffin would have performed in better with the Seahawks because he wouldn't have been more motivated to learn the mental part of the game. Griffin is Griffin.

I don't know what's more moronic... thinking I want to hear the same "backyard" b.s. excuse over and over, or thinking that because you post it for the hundredth time it will magically be true?
Wilson has the supporting cast... he doesn't do half of what rgiii has done and has to do to win. Wilson has a better TEAM, meaning its not all on him every game. He can be selective with his throws because he can win with 120 yards passing. His D scores nearly as much as him, if not more. His throws are wide open most the time... and look at his weapons man, seriously!

Backyard ball? Watch the skins vs saints game his rookie debut then watch any Seahawks game (vs the rams where they barely beat a back up qb comes to mind) and tell me who is playing back yard ball. Russel does more of the things you criticize and less of the things you accuse rgiii of. Don't get t twisted man, rgiii would k ill it in Seattle, just as much as Wilson would have struggled here.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Some one please point me to the block button..? I can't help but respond to trolls who have an agenda to put down our qb post after post, with no substance and blatant lies. It's a burden I'd rather be done with but when I'm quoted I feel obligated to set the troll free. This one is most likely a Romo fan so he is lost to the darkside...