Hognostication Playoffs 2014 - Hognosti-Bowl IX

[Deadskins]

Nevertheless ... wind is a factor in this stadium more often than not.

I don't think it's as bad as the previous stadium.

You mean the place where the Redskins lost the NFC Championship 17-0 and never kicked off?

You don't have to remind me, I was there.

[DarthMonk]

Nevertheless ... wind is a factor in this stadium more often than not.

I don't think it's as bad as the previous stadium.

You mean the place where the Redskins lost the NFC Championship 17-0 and never kicked off?

You don't have to remind me, I was there.

... though at one point, you seemed to have forgotten (or never realized) they never kicked off (unless you were just joking).

[Deadskins]

Nevertheless ... wind is a factor in this stadium more often than not.

I don't think it's as bad as the previous stadium.

You mean the place where the Redskins lost the NFC Championship 17-0 and never kicked off?

You don't have to remind me, I was there.

... though at one point, you seemed to have forgotten (or never realized) they never kicked off (unless you were just joking).

Where are you getting that?

[DarthMonk]

Nevertheless ... wind is a factor in this stadium more often than not.

I don't think it's as bad as the previous stadium.

You mean the place where the Redskins lost the NFC Championship 17-0 and never kicked off?

You don't have to remind me, I was there.

... though at one point, you seemed to have forgotten (or never realized) they never kicked off (unless you were just joking).

Where are you getting that?

From here:

I'd rate Doug Williams pretty high, as well. So did Joe Gibbs...as best I remember, Williams was making $450K, and "people" (mean Jack Kent Cooke) thought that was too high for a backup QB, especially since Schroeder was the rising star of the '85 and '86 seasons. Considered right up with Marino and Elway and the other young QB's. (Jim Kelley?).Ah, Jay...what happened?

Sometimes, the arrogant actually get what they deserve...

I remember Jay's comment before the Wind Bowl NFC Championship at Giants Stadium: the wind is no problem...just keep the nose of the ball down...

I don't think we should bash him too much. He got us to the game. Does he still hold the team record for most passing yards in a season? The Giants were pretty good. We ran for 40 yards that day. We never kicked off.

I remember Gary Clark dropping a nice deep ball - a great throw into the wind - probably a TD. I also remember getting an early stop on 3rd and long. The Giants committed holding and rather than let them kick a FG on 4th down Gibbs took the penalty and gave them another chance on 3rd down hoping to force a punt. They converted (Simms to McConkey) and then scored a TD. 7-0 Giants.

If Willams had not come back into the next Super Bowl after getting hurt Jay may have ended up as MVP. He made one very important play when he was in. He got blindsided and could easily have fumbled but did not (Williams actually did fumble when he got injured - the refs were kind).

Jay was nice enough to autograph a football for me. Nice ball. Got 4 qbs on it - Jay, Doug, Mark, and Babe - during the strike.

Jays' career took a nose dive when he went to the Raiders. It was a good move for us - Beathard knew what he was doing.

I was at that game and Clark's drop was a game changer. It was a certain TD that would have tied the game at that point. And we did kick off at least once.

Actually, the Giants won the toss and did not (could not) defer. They chose a direction whence we elected to receive. We then chose to receive in the 2nd half. In an odd twist, we never kicked off. It's true.

I did make a mistake, though. The Giants already led 3-0 before the penalty I referenced. The ensuing TD made it 10-0. Clark's drop either would have given us a 7-0 lead, a 7-3 lead or made it 7-10 ... I can't remember.

[Deadskins]

Yeah, I guess I had forgotten that because of the wind, the vaGiants chose to kick-off when they had the option.

[DarthMonk]

Yeah, I guess I had forgotten that because of the wind, the vaGiants chose to kick-off when they had the option.

Actually, they never chose to kick off. They had a choice to begin the game and their choice was this: "We want to go that way." We then had a choice and, quite naturally, our choice was: "We want to receive." Then, in the second half, we had first choice. We could have said: "We want to go that way." Instead we said: "We want to receive." The Giants then had their second half choice. They said: "We want to go that way."

[Deadskins]

Yeah, I guess I had forgotten that because of the wind, the vaGiants chose to kick-off when they had the option.

Actually, they never chose to kick off. They had a choice to begin the game and their choice was this: "We want to go that way." We then had a choice and, quite naturally, our choice was: "We want to receive." Then, in the second half, we had first choice. We could have said: "We want to go that way." Instead we said: "We want to receive." The Giants then had their second half choice. They said: "We want to go that way."

That's correct. that's what I was saying, but I worded it poorly.

[Deadskins]

Just in case you doubt that I was there, I thought I'd break out my ticket stub. Then, going through my stub box, I came across a few other stubs and nicknacks, so I made this quick collage.


Clockwise from upper left:
Stub box
A few of my centennial Olympics stubs
1995 Game six of the World Series (I also have my actual seat from that game)
Grateful Dead back stage pass
R.E.M. back stage pass
Studio 54 VIP pass
Radiohead back stage pass
Three different Michael Jordan games
This season's Redskins-Falcons game
Gus Frerotte headbutt game at JKC stadium
Colts-Redskins at RFK (Redskins started 7-2 that season, and finished 9-7 out of the playoffs )
56 Grateful Dead show stubs (zoom in and you'll notice an RFK show down in the bundle)
Readskins-vaGiants Championship game. (Great seats. Row 7 - 40 yard line - Face value: $29 )

[DarthMonk]

Just in case you doubt that I was there, I thought I'd break out my ticket stub. Then, going through my stub box, I came across a few other stubs and nicknacks, so I made this quick collage.


Clockwise from upper left:
Stub box
A few of my centennial Olympics stubs
1995 Game six of the World Series (I also have my actual seat from that game)
Grateful Dead back stage pass
R.E.M. back stage pass
Studio 54 VIP pass
Radiohead back stage pass
Three different Michael Jordan games
This season's Redskins-Falcons game
Gus Frerotte headbutt game at JKC stadium
Colts-Redskins at RFK (Redskins started 7-2 that season, and finished 9-7 out of the playoffs )
56 Grateful Dead show stubs (zoom in and you'll notice an RFK show down in the bundle)
Readskins-vaGiants Championship game. (Great seats. Row 7 - 40 yard line - Face value: $29 )

Nice. I call that box of mine my Box of Rain.

Was the RFK show on July 4? Can't read it.

[Deadskins]

That particular stub was from Jul 17, 1994. Also saw the 16th show. Traffic opened.
Also saw them at RFK Jul 6th and 7th in 1986 Tom Petty and then Bob Dylan opened. Jerry had his diabetic coma after those shows.
At RFK on Jul 12 & 13, 1989
Saw them at the Cap Centre in Landover 9/11/87, then again on a 4 show run 9/2, 9/3, 9/5, and 9/6 of '88. The one and only electric, and final perfomance of Ripple on 9/3

[DarthMonk]

I'm beginning to think Seattle in a close one. 23-20 or so. They only rush 4 and dare Denver to run. Game gets shorter. Wilson makes two big plays.

[SkinsJock]

I think that Seattles pass defense can give Peyton a test but I don't think they can shut him down - this offense is just too good

can Seattle's offense make much happen - Tom Brady had a tough time playing against Denver and at the time Blount was looking like a much better RB than Lynch looks like going into this game - If Lynch is not effective, which is likely, how does Wilson move this offense

I agree that Seattle has a great defense but they do not have a good offense and Wilson is not as good as Manning - not even close

btw - I disagree that this Seattle defense is close to being as great as the 85 Bears - this Seattle defense is good but not that good

[Deadskins]

If Seattle can play a smash-mouth game, then they can win. Manning has been untouched so far in the playoffs. If Seattle can hit him regularly, he can be rattled just like any QB.

[DarthMonk]

I think that Seattles pass defense can give Peyton a test but I don't think they can shut him down - this offense is just too good

can Seattle's offense make much happen - Tom Brady had a tough time playing against Denver and at the time Blount was looking like a much better RB than Lynch looks like going into this game - If Lynch is not effective, which is likely, how does Wilson move this offense

I agree that Seattle has a great defense but they do not have a good offense and Wilson is not as good as Manning - not even close

btw - I disagree that this Seattle defense is close to being as great as the 85 Bears - this Seattle defense is good but not that good

It depends how much Denver has to commit in order to stop Lynch. If they have to over commit they will become susceptible to the big play. I do think Seattle will only rush 4 for the most part and dare Denver to run. If they get pressure with 4, Manning will have trouble finding open receivers.

New England's problem was surrendering long drive after long drive and Brady missing 2 or 3 chances for huge plays. Denver took away the run and most of the short stuff. I think they will try to do the same to Seattle. If they can not get burned for 2 big plays, Denver should win. If Manning throws an ugly pick or two there could be trubble in River City.

This figures to be very close. We know who has a better offense. We know who has a better defense. We won't really know who has the better matchup until they play.

Can't wait to watch.

[Countertrey]

Congrats to DS!

I don't think any of us saw that game result coming...

[Deadskins]

Congrats to DS!

Thanks CT, you're a class act.

I don't think any of us saw that game result coming...

I didn't see the blowout, but I think this was pretty close:

If Seattle can play a smash-mouth game, then they can win. Manning has been untouched so far in the playoffs. If Seattle can hit him regularly, he can be rattled just like any QB.

[Countertrey]

Yeah... I was talking about the Denver melt down... The die was cast with the safety on the first play... I imagine Manny Ramirez is reliving that snap constantly...

No... it didn't cost them the game... but you could see something get into the collective team psyche from that point, and ate their confidence... they (especially the O'line) were playing with a desperate edge the rest of the game, that they were never able to get under control... Manning's lanes were constantly obstructed, and players were consistently in his face...

[DarthMonk]

Congrats to DS!

Thanks CT, you're a class act.

I don't think any of us saw that game result coming...

I didn't see the blowout, but I think this was pretty close:

If Seattle can play a smash-mouth game, then they can win. Manning has been untouched so far in the playoffs. If Seattle can hit him regularly, he can be rattled just like any QB.

This wasn't horrible:

I do think Seattle will only rush 4 for the most part and dare Denver to run. If they get pressure with 4, Manning will have trouble finding open receivers. If Manning throws an ugly pick or two there could be trubble in River City.

Congrats to both of you, Trey and Deadman.