What offense to run?

[Neo]

I've said this before, but I think we'll still see the RO and a mixture of other things. I like that; will keep defenses guessing about what we'll bring to them.

So far, that's been my favorite thing about Gruden's presser; he's willing to try and do anything that the team does well. We didn't have that when Shanny was here...instant upgrade!

[brad7686]

my guess is that he'll get bigger linemen, stop zone running, and run a more modern NFL offense with designed keeps and options mixed in.

[HEROHAMO]

my guess is that he'll get bigger linemen, stop zone running, and run a more modern NFL offense with designed keeps and options mixed in.

Is that a guess or more of a want? I agree with you and I want a bigger offensive line as well.

[welch]

Speaking as one of the oldest here, I insist that Robert Griffin should not run much of the option. He has a good arm, and he's mobile. Let him uses his speed and agility to avoid being crushed. The option? Works well in college games, which are decided by recruiting. Not so well in the NFL where defensive players are bigger, stronger, and faster. Examples of "college success / NFL failure"? Rich Mirer, Steve Spurrier (QB and coach).

Counter examples? How often did Sonny Jurgensen or Johnny Unitas run the ball?

[SkinsJock]

Speaking as one of the oldest here, I insist that Robert Griffin should not run much of the option. He has a good arm, and he's mobile. Let him uses his speed and agility to avoid being crushed. The option? Works well in college games, which are decided by recruiting. Not so well in the NFL where defensive players are bigger, stronger, and faster. Examples of "college success / NFL failure"? Rich Mirer, Steve Spurrier (QB and coach).

Counter examples? How often did Sonny Jurgensen or Johnny Unitas run the ball?

+1 - agreed
I really think that our 'new' offense and the NFL in general will not see much of the read option after the officials clarified last season how a QB could be HIT as a RB
with the Redskins, 49ers and Seahawks we've already seen this in 2013

the thing to do with these QBs now is to have that option as part of the offense but not use it much - the hits put the QB at risk of injury and also it affects his play

we will see a much more 'developed' QB in RG3 this season and he will still have the speed that can be used when needed

this new 'regime' will take a lot more advantage of the players they have than the previous guys
Mike & Kyle thought the players should do what they wanted not what the players were best suited for ....

[Countertrey]

Speaking as one of the oldest here, I insist that Robert Griffin should not run much of the option. He has a good arm, and he's mobile. Let him uses his speed and agility to avoid being crushed. The option? Works well in college games, which are decided by recruiting. Not so well in the NFL where defensive players are bigger, stronger, and faster. Examples of "college success / NFL failure"? Rich Mirer, Steve Spurrier (QB and coach).

Counter examples? How often did Sonny Jurgensen or Johnny Unitas run the ball?

Be fair... it's only an honest example if they could have run the 40 in under half an hour... Both of them HAD to be highly efficient passers... or they were dead. A better example would probably be Warren Moon... who was mobile as hell... but was very prolific in the pocket.

[masterkwon]

Eric Decker is not coming to Washington. Come on!

[DarthMonk]

Apparently, Gruden and Kyle Shanahan run offenses so similar that Kyle used tape of the Bengals to introduce new packages and how they should be run.

Saturday's Post.

[riggofan]

Apparently, Gruden and Kyle Shanahan run offenses so similar that Kyle used tape of the Bengals to introduce new packages and how they should be run.

Saturday's Post.

Nice. One difference I read about that I liked was Kyle's offense scored a TD in the red zone 52% of the time. Gruden's offense scored a TD 74% of the time.

[SkinsJock]

Gruden's the new coach. But what will he do as the coach or tell the offensive coordinator to run?

The Redskins will run an offense that takes full advantage of all the talents of all the players they have here ...

RG3 is of course the key - I'm sure that we will be adding some other pieces and some linemen to execute whatever offensive plan that Jay Gruden feels will work best ..

gotta love the idea that we're going to be a lot better offense


this is something that we Redskins fans are really good at - looking to the future and hoping it all works out this time ....

[riggofan]

"Five things the Redskins can learn from the conference title games"

I thought this was a really good post from Rich Tandler today, especially this comment:

5. A mobile QB doesn’t have to run—Colin Kaepernick was the 49ers offense. He passed for 153 yards and ran for 130, accounting for 92 percent of San Francisco’s total yards. Russell Wilson netted zero yards rushing but he kept pass plays alive with his legs over and over. It might be better for the Redskins to use Griffin more like the Seahawks used Wilson than modeling him after Kaepernick.

http://realredskins.com/2014/01/20/need ... tle-games/

[Deadskins]

"Five things the Redskins can learn from the conference title games"

I thought this was a really good post from Rich Tandler today, especially this comment:

5. A mobile QB doesn’t have to run—Colin Kaepernick was the 49ers offense. He passed for 153 yards and ran for 130, accounting for 92 percent of San Francisco’s total yards. Russell Wilson netted zero yards rushing but he kept pass plays alive with his legs over and over. It might be better for the Redskins to use Griffin more like the Seahawks used Wilson than modeling him after Kaepernick.

http://realredskins.com/2014/01/20/need ... tle-games/

They modeled Kaepernick after Griffin, not vice versa. And, Wilson will run if he thinks the yardage is there and nothing is open downfield. He was just up against a disciplined D last night, that rarely left him room to run.

[riggofan]

They modeled Kaepernick after Griffin, not vice versa. And, Wilson will run if he thinks the yardage is there and nothing is open downfield. He was just up against a disciplined D last night, that rarely left him room to run.

Yeah I thought the interesting part of his comment though was more about allowing the QB to be mobile without those designed running plays that Kaepernick was running.

People have been posting on here all season long that RGIII can't succeed because he can't be a pocket passer. I have no idea if that is true or not about RGIII in the pocket, but Russell Wilson just made it to the Super Bowl using his arm AND his legs pretty well.

[Countertrey]

They modeled Kaepernick after Griffin, not vice versa. And, Wilson will run if he thinks the yardage is there and nothing is open downfield. He was just up against a disciplined D last night, that rarely left him room to run.

Yeah I thought the interesting part of his comment though was more about allowing the QB to be mobile without those designed running plays that Kaepernick was running.

People have been posting on here all season long that RGIII can't succeed because he can't be a pocket passer. I have no idea if that is true or not about RGIII in the pocket, but Russell Wilson just made it to the Super Bowl using his arm AND his legs pretty well.

It does not refute the argument about Griffin's problems operating from the pocket... the bottom line is, Russell Wilson has that skill set. He comes from a pro style offense, and only uses his legs to survive when the pocket fails. That is, ultimately, where Griffin needs to be... and, based upon his statements, it is where he WANTS to be.
I think he'll get there... and much of it will happen this coming year.

[OldSchool]

What offense to run? If you start with the given the QB job is not going to be competed than what to run comes down to what Griffin is able and willing to do, in 2013 that wasn't much. In 2014 hopefully Griffin will have two healthy legs and be a challenge for defenses to contain and his accuracy will return. If that is the case I think they should run a variant of the WCO or as much of it has the can with a QB that doesn't know how to read defenses, change protection, audible to better plays, quickly go through progressions while shifting in the pocket, essentially all the bothersome mental stuff Griffin didn't want try to learn from the last batch of coaches. So it will probably be e a watered down WCO with a lot BY (backyard) thrown in because that is what Griffin knows how to do.

[Kilmer72]

What offense to run? If you start with the given the QB job is not going to be competed than what to run comes down to what Griffin is able and willing to do, in 2013 that wasn't much. In 2014 hopefully Griffin will have two healthy legs and be a challenge for defenses to contain and his accuracy will return. If that is the case I think they should run a variant of the WCO or as much of it has the can with a QB that doesn't know how to read defenses, change protection, audible to better plays, quickly go through progressions while shifting in the pocket, essentially all the bothersome mental stuff Griffin didn't want try to learn from the last batch of coaches. So it will probably be e a watered down WCO with a lot BY (backyard) thrown in because that is what Griffin knows how to do.

If you hate Robert so much why bother coming on here or even watching? Come back when the QB you feel is appropriate is behind the helm. Until then why stress yourself and everyone else?

[DarthMonk]

"Five things the Redskins can learn from the conference title games"

I thought this was a really good post from Rich Tandler today, especially this comment:

5. A mobile QB doesn’t have to run—Colin Kaepernick was the 49ers offense. He passed for 153 yards and ran for 130, accounting for 92 percent of San Francisco’s total yards. Russell Wilson netted zero yards rushing but he kept pass plays alive with his legs over and over. It might be better for the Redskins to use Griffin more like the Seahawks used Wilson than modeling him after Kaepernick.

http://realredskins.com/2014/01/20/need ... tle-games/

The model should be Aaron Rodgers.

[yupchagee]

What offense to run? If you start with the given the QB job is not going to be competed than what to run comes down to what Griffin is able and willing to do, in 2013 that wasn't much. In 2014 hopefully Griffin will have two healthy legs and be a challenge for defenses to contain and his accuracy will return. If that is the case I think they should run a variant of the WCO or as much of it has the can with a QB that doesn't know how to read defenses, change protection, audible to better plays, quickly go through progressions while shifting in the pocket, essentially all the bothersome mental stuff Griffin didn't want try to learn from the last batch of coaches. So it will probably be e a watered down WCO with a lot BY (backyard) thrown in because that is what Griffin knows how to do.

1) RGIII CAN read defenses. Otherwise he wouldn't be able to run the READ option.

2) it is not the QB's job to change protection. That is usually the job of the center.

[Deadskins]

all the bothersome mental stuff Griffin didn't want try to learn

This is troll speak. Why do you continue to spout this nonsense? You may believe he hasn't learned these elements, but to say he doesn't want to is pure haterade.

[Chris Luva Luva]

~~ People who feed Trolls are a greater irritant than the Troll, without food a Troll ceases to exist ~~


Gruden is going to focus heavily on Griffins footwork, which he stated recently in an intierview. It'll be THAT development that will lay the foundation needed to run whatever Gruden installs.

Having watched Kap and Wussel the past couple of weeks, they aren't that much better than RGIII, if at all. Wusssel can't operate within the pocket. And Kap looks lost at times. The ONLY thing they do better than RGIII is run the ball. Kap is a FREIGHT TRAIN when he runs, it's beautiful to watch. Wussel is elusive and a smarter runner.

[Deadskins]

~~ People who feed Trolls are a greater irritant than the Troll, without food a Troll ceases to exist ~~

I agree, I'm just not ready to call this particular poster a troll yet. A RGIII hater to be sure, but not sure he is a troll. Continuing to spout the same BS time and again, is changing my mind, though. Much more, and he will definitely go the "Add foe" route.

[riggofan]

~~ People who feed Trolls are a greater irritant than the Troll, without food a Troll ceases to exist ~~

I am LOVING that new "FOE" feature. Thanks to whoever it was that pointed it out to me. Didn't even realize that guy was back at in this thread, much less feel compelled to respond to him.

[PulpExposure]

~~ People who feed Trolls are a greater irritant than the Troll, without food a Troll ceases to exist ~~


Gruden is going to focus heavily on Griffins footwork, which he stated recently in an intierview. It'll be THAT development that will lay the foundation needed to run whatever Gruden installs.

Having watched Kap and Wussel the past couple of weeks, they aren't that much better than RGIII, if at all. Wusssel can't operate within the pocket. And Kap looks lost at times. The ONLY thing they do better than RGIII is run the ball. Kap is a FREIGHT TRAIN when he runs, it's beautiful to watch. Wussel is elusive and a smarter runner.

To be fair to Wilson, his offensive line rarely gives him a pocket to operate in. But like Griffin, they also make bad decisions at times, and are inaccurate at times. Surprising, since after two whole years of starting, you would think these guys would at least be as good as Peyton Manning or Drew Brees are right now. At least.

Sarcasm over, I actually think a healthy RG3 is a better runner than either Kaep or Wilson. For example, that run that Kaep took off on in the first half that got 50 yards, a healthy RG3 would have scored on. He's just that much faster (remember that 73 yarder against the Vikings in 2012?). However, Wilson runs to throw, and Kaep is built to run the ball better than RG3.

[Deadskins]

~~ People who feed Trolls are a greater irritant than the Troll, without food a Troll ceases to exist ~~


Gruden is going to focus heavily on Griffins footwork, which he stated recently in an intierview. It'll be THAT development that will lay the foundation needed to run whatever Gruden installs.

Having watched Kap and Wussel the past couple of weeks, they aren't that much better than RGIII, if at all. Wusssel can't operate within the pocket. And Kap looks lost at times. The ONLY thing they do better than RGIII is run the ball. Kap is a FREIGHT TRAIN when he runs, it's beautiful to watch. Wussel is elusive and a smarter runner.

To be fair to Wilson, his offensive line rarely gives him a pocket to operate in. But like Griffin, they also make bad decisions at times, and are inaccurate at times. Surprising, since after two whole years of starting, you would think these guys would at least be as good as Peyton Manning or Drew Brees are right now. At least.

Sarcasm over, I actually think a healthy RG3 is a better runner than either Kaep or Wilson. For example, that run that Kaep took off on in the first half that got 50 yards, a healthy RG3 would have scored on. He's just that much faster (remember that 73 yarder against the Vikings in 2012?). However, Wilson runs to throw, and Kaep is built to run the ball better than RG3.

Wilson runs better (not faster) than RGIII, and is much better at protecting himself when he does.

[riggofan]

Wilson runs better (not faster) than RGIII, and is much better at protecting himself when he does.

Just curious what you're defining as "better"? Comparing the two players healthy in 2012, Russell Wilson:

94 runs for 489 yds 4 TDs, longest run 25 yards.

In one less game, RGIII:
120 runs for 815 yds, 7 TDs, longest run 76 yards

Actually even in 2013 and coming major knee surgery, RGIII ran for 489 yards in 13 games. Russell Wilson ran for 530 yards in 16 games.

I'd probably listen to an argument that Wilson is a smarter runner, but it seems to me that RGIII is clearly a more effective and dangerous runner.