What offense to run?

[Chris Luva Luva]

I think what we need to do is acquire more players. We need someone opposite of Garcon and I want Hakeem Nicks. Garcon, Nicks, Reed, Morris/Helu, RGIII. Gruden will be able to run whatever he wants with those tools at hand. Whatever offense he runs will remain stagnant without a viable candidate to play opposite of Garcon.

In addition, Gruden needs to find a way to get Garcon and Robinson on the field at the same time. Robinson really started to show up, I hope he keeps it going. There's too much speed on our sidelines. Get them on the field, coach them up.

[Countertrey]

nit picking is a specialty here ...

the question is not 'what offense will Jay Gruden choose to use' - the question is 'how will Jay Gruden make this offense be more effective'

Not really... Gruden is an adherent to the WCO... in his mind, a ball control passing game is no different from the ground game... taking small chunks, and keeping the clock running, to control TOP. Expect to see the WCO installed... assuming Gruden and Allen are able to do something with the O-line... ours will not hold up in the WCO.

Roger Craig did OK as a RB in the WCO. Just sayin'.

It's not about the running back... but, if it were, keep in mind that Roger Craig was an excellent receiver out of the backfield... Albert generally comes off the field on 3rd down for a reason...

My POINT is NOT nit picking. This is a team that is, essentially, without an offensive line. I doubt it will be fully rebuilt for next season. This is a team that has a quarterback who STILL takes too much time to make reads. Yes, he will learn that, made lots of progress... but it's also true that practice speed is NOT the same as Game speed... and it's always good to have the security blanket of 5-7 seconds in the pocket instead of the 3-5 seconds he got in 2013. THAT is not going to magically change with coaching. Think all of the flowery thoughts you want, I think this coach has a considerable project before he gets the team he wants.

Don't get me wrong... I love the selection of Gruden... I think he's the right guy... I think he's perfect to help Griffin maximize his potential... but there ain't no magic here, folks. There are repairs to be made... and they won't all be made in 2014.

[Deadskins]

Roger Craig did OK as a RB in the WCO. Just sayin'.

It's not about the running back... but, if it were, keep in mind that Roger Craig was an excellent receiver out of the backfield... Albert generally comes off the field on 3rd down for a reason...

I wasn't disagreeing with you, but pointing out that a RB can still do well in a WCO. I think Morris has better hands than many give him credit for. I think the reason he came off on 3rd downs was to get more speed at the position, not because he can't catch.

[SkinsJock]

Countertrey - my nit picking comment was in reference to the post that pointed out that because Jay Gruden runs the WCO he would not take advantage of the great FB we have in DY - my point is that Jay Gruden is a good enough offensive coordinator, he will use any and all the talent he has

the guy has just arrived and already some are concerned about who will he use and when

[SkinsJock]

Why do you guys assume OldSchool is old? He seems very young to me, and his user name is probably just an homage to the Will Ferrell movie.

I would not have a clue - I never read trash or posts by trolls

[Kilmer72]

Countertrey - my nit picking comment was in reference to the post that pointed out that because Jay Gruden runs the WCO he would not take advantage of the great FB we have in DY - my point is that Jay Gruden is a good enough offensive coordinator, he will use any and all the talent he has

the guy has just arrived and already some are concerned about who will he use and when

Oh well that must have been a reference to me then seeing as I said it. I am going by what was said to DY on 980. Apparently they (Cincy) do not use the full back much at all except blocking on occasion. Then again the way the league has been changing suggest that many teams are going away from that. My point is when you have a talented Fullback like we do it would be a waste not to use all he can give. He has hands and he can run. Those are things that Jay didn't do much of with his fullback. Correct me if I am wrong. I will be pleasantly pleased to find out otherwise.

[Deadskins]

Why do you guys assume OldSchool is old? He seems very young to me, and his user name is probably just an homage to the Will Ferrell movie.

I would not have a clue

Yeah, and for you youngsters, it doesn't get any older than SkinsJock.

[SkinsJock]

I think it's a little early to nit pick the way that the offense might be set up here

if it makes you happy, go right ahead

[Kilmer72]

I think it's a little early to nit pick the way that the offense might be set up here

if it makes you happy, go right ahead

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

It's hard to tell around here some times Kilmer! Most of that crap.they actually believe!

I'll just note, for the record... EA called you "cowboy"...

Hell the garbage old people write on here is case in point!

ummm...

Stirin the pot eh, CT!
Ha ha I gave EA a pass since we were both shaking our heads at a ridiculous post... Didn't feel like correcting him that cowboyKiller , ckrgiii, or Ckr are the only accepted abbreviations!

As for old.. I meant old posts! Lmao Ur still young at heart right?! I've seen u in smack, def not considered old by those terms! Bwaaaa ha ha

[Kilmer72]

Ridiculous!!! I prefer crazy. I'll admit I a had a bit too much Brandy but hey what can I say?

[SkinsJock]

I think it's fairly obvious to most of you when I've had a few too many

[OldSchool]

Please don't feed trolls no matter how old they are.

For anyone to suggest anything on rg3s work ethic, is just ignorance. Coming back.from major surgery on two legs is what he focused on in the off-season.. As far as watching tape, players are quoted saying he is first in and last out. So make empty statements about how he wasn't accurate and didn't go through his proggressions enough all u want.. but save the other members the boredom of reading posts about his work ethic and character. If you followed the man from Baylor instead of jus crying about him not taking us to another division title, you'd know his military background instilled a terrific work.ethic.

Why didn't Griffin know how to read defenses and make pre snap protection calls in season 2? I would like one of you Griffin enthusiasts to explain that to me assuming of course you understand what that means and how that is crucial to understanding what to do after the snap.

This isn't something I just observed ey called him out on it also. Year 2 and RG3first1second hasn't learned to even do that most basic part of thinking mans game. Making accurate pre snap reads is precursor to being able to know who is going to be open and properly go through progresses. It's been 2 years and we are told Griffin is bright so why hasn't he started to learn this stuff?

[HEROHAMO]

I think the offense we have already was fine. Just need Griff to get fully healthy and shore up the offensive line. We have Alf and a solid running game. Pass protection needs to improve. Either we draft or grab a free agent tackle/guard. Not too much needs to be added to the offense.

As far as Griff goes I expect to see a vengence year coming.

[Countertrey]

Please don't feed trolls no matter how old they are.

For anyone to suggest anything on rg3s work ethic, is just ignorance. Coming back.from major surgery on two legs is what he focused on in the off-season.. As far as watching tape, players are quoted saying he is first in and last out. So make empty statements about how he wasn't accurate and didn't go through his proggressions enough all u want.. but save the other members the boredom of reading posts about his work ethic and character. If you followed the man from Baylor instead of jus crying about him not taking us to another division title, you'd know his military background instilled a terrific work.ethic.

Why didn't Griffin know how to read defenses and make pre snap protection calls in season 2? I would like one of you Griffin enthusiasts to explain that to me assuming of course you understand what that means and how that is crucial to understanding what to do after the snap.

This isn't something I just observed ey called him out on it also. Year 2 and RG3first1second hasn't learned to even do that most basic part of thinking mans game. Making accurate pre snap reads is precursor to being able to know who is going to be open and properly go through progresses. It's been 2 years and we are told Griffin is bright so why hasn't he started to learn this stuff?

You and your damned red herrings... In those games where his protection was adequate, he was working his progressions, and making reads... so he is, obviously, learning. Clearly, you have no clue of the concept of "the game slowing down", the development of muscle memory, of the process of converting deliberate thought into the automatic...

[SkinsJock]

I think the offense we have already was fine. Just need Griff to get fully healthy and shore up the offensive line. We have Alf and a solid running game. Pass protection needs to improve. Either we draft or grab a free agent tackle/guard. Not too much needs to be added to the offense.
As far as Griff goes I expect to see a vengence year coming.

G'day HH - I think that RG3 is going to surprise a lot of us because of what he will get done on his own part this offseason and also with the new offensive scheme

I would be very surprised if there are not a lot of changes scheme wise and with the O line blocking, especially pass protection ...

I am not suggesting that Kyle was a bad OC but I think that these new guys will re-invent the wheel here and take advantage of what they have with RG3, Morris, Garcon, Reed and T Williams but also add a lot more players and plays that have more of the WCO plays in there

we may need 1 WR to complement Garcon but the O line will definitely need changing and we must have quality depth

[OldSchool]

Please don't feed trolls no matter how old they are.

For anyone to suggest anything on rg3s work ethic, is just ignorance. Coming back.from major surgery on two legs is what he focused on in the off-season.. As far as watching tape, players are quoted saying he is first in and last out. So make empty statements about how he wasn't accurate and didn't go through his proggressions enough all u want.. but save the other members the boredom of reading posts about his work ethic and character. If you followed the man from Baylor instead of jus crying about him not taking us to another division title, you'd know his military background instilled a terrific work.ethic.

Why didn't Griffin know how to read defenses and make pre snap protection calls in season 2? I would like one of you Griffin enthusiasts to explain that to me assuming of course you understand what that means and how that is crucial to understanding what to do after the snap.

This isn't something I just observed ey called him out on it also. Year 2 and RG3first1second hasn't learned to even do that most basic part of thinking mans game. Making accurate pre snap reads is precursor to being able to know who is going to be open and properly go through progresses. It's been 2 years and we are told Griffin is bright so why hasn't he started to learn this stuff?

You and your damned red herrings... In those games where his protection was adequate, he was working his progressions, and making reads... so he is, obviously, learning. Clearly, you have no clue of the concept of "the game slowing down", the development of muscle memory, of the process of converting deliberate thought into the automatic...

The game "slows down" when QB's understand things well enough to speed up the decision process enough to be successful. Tell me how Griffin speeds up his process without first learning how to make pre snap reads? Put down the Griffin koolaid and think critically. He was so mobile in the past he was able to do an end around this hurdle the real quarterbacks need to get over to succeed and play backyard ball.

[riggofan]

I think the offense we have already was fine. Just need Griff to get fully healthy and shore up the offensive line. We have Alf and a solid running game. Pass protection needs to improve. Either we draft or grab a free agent tackle/guard. Not too much needs to be added to the offense.

Totally agree. I'm most curious what Gruden will want to do with the offensive line. Will it be Trent Williams and four completely new guys?

The 2014 draft is supposed to be pretty deep at WR. Might be a luxury given all of the needs on defense, but still seems like we need somebody opposite Garcon. Would you be tempted if 6'5" 233lb Kelvin Benjamin is available with that second round pick?

[riggofan]

The game "slows down" when QB's understand things well enough to speed up the decision process enough to be successful. Tell me how Griffin speeds up his process without first learning how to make pre snap reads? Put down the Griffin koolaid and think critically. He was so mobile in the past he was able to do an end around this hurdle the real quarterbacks need to get over to succeed and play backyard ball.

Seriously can you guys please stop debating this idiot?

Pre-snap reads. Give me a freaking break.

[jmooney]

One thing that I find interesting is that Bobby Turner is still here. Now , he was a Shannahan guy but, retained his position when the others were let go. I'm excited about this because IMO he IS the best in the league and critical to Alfred's development. That being said, the Gruden passing offense may carry over from Cincy but, we still could see a similar run game to what we've had here the past few years.


I'm ok with that.

[jmooney]

And from what I can tell from where I'm sitting. Both Gruden and Turner have similar styles. This could be a beautiful thing.

[SkinsJock]

One thing that I find interesting is that Bobby Turner is still here. Now , he was a Shannahan guy but, retained his position when the others were let go. I'm excited about this because IMO he IS the best in the league and critical to Alfred's development. That being said, the Gruden passing offense may carry over from Cincy but, we still could see a similar run game to what we've had here the past few years. I'm ok with that.

Has Turner been 'officially' kept on board?

I think it's a mistake to look at what coaches did elsewhere as being what they will do here

I do think these guys will tailor the offense (maybe WCO) they like, but they will 'adapt' to suit the players they have

we have 2 very good RBs in Morris and Young - they will be used to run the ball

[jmooney]

He's still listed as the RB coach on the official website and was never announced as terminated. If I were a young coach walking into my first HC job and Bobby Turner was still on payroll, aint no way I'm letting that man get out the door.

[SkinsJock]

Just asking if he was officially on the team yet - you never can tell what's really happening with this franchise

[HEROHAMO]

I think the offense we have already was fine. Just need Griff to get fully healthy and shore up the offensive line. We have Alf and a solid running game. Pass protection needs to improve. Either we draft or grab a free agent tackle/guard. Not too much needs to be added to the offense.
As far as Griff goes I expect to see a vengence year coming.

G'day HH - I think that RG3 is going to surprise a lot of us because of what he will get done on his own part this offseason and also with the new offensive scheme

I would be very surprised if there are not a lot of changes scheme wise and with the O line blocking, especially pass protection ...

I am not suggesting that Kyle was a bad OC but I think that these new guys will re-invent the wheel here and take advantage of what they have with RG3, Morris, Garcon, Reed and T Williams but also add a lot more players and plays that have more of the WCO plays in there

we may need 1 WR to complement Garcon but the O line will definitely need changing and we must have quality depth

Well you are probably right with a new coach we might have alot of changes. But Gruden and the Shanahans come from the same coaching tree West coast offense Bill Walsh. Which is another good reason why I think its a good hire.
I dont think the offense will be totally new for RG3.

If any changes are made I want a more physically imposing Oline. Like days of old. The Hogs. We have one in T Williams and I do think we could add some road grading guards and another tackle.