Jay Gruden Hired as Redskins New Head Coach

[SkinsJock]

Bruce Allen has done really well here by bringing in the guy he wanted all along - ALSO by keeping Haslett, Morris and McVay ..

we have a lot of good things coming out of this - Gruden will be a good leader

the D will be helped by having both Haslett & Morris stay and provide some continuity

McVay has proven himself to be a very good assistant and he and Gruden will be a big time help for RG3
#47 is adamant that Allen, Gruden and McVay need to make sure they bring in a GREAT QB coach to help both RG3 and Cousins


this all looks like good football decisions and not splashy stuff like we normally do

[emoses14]

I posted this in the other dupe thread:

Nice. Now what I really want to see is a buh-bye to Haz and promote Raheem Morris to DC.

You may be right that Haz could do better with a little more control, maybe the possiblity of going back to the 4-3. I just personally think fans aren't going to have much patience with him at this point, and it might be better to move on. Does anybody doubt that all we will hear next year is, "Why is Haslett still here?" anytime the Skins lose a game?

Next year? Isn't almost everyone already asking that right now? Most were shocked when he wasn't let go with the rest of Shanahan's staff.

You're 100% correct.

That was 100% correct, until we all were made aware of Shanan's at least three years long practice of changing defensive game plans at the Wednesday meeting and making defensive calls during games. Then, many of us, but apparently not all, realized that just maybe the things we had been blaming Haz for MAY not have been his fault. I don't know if it changed the conclusion for a few, some, most or all of us, with respect to Haz sticking around, but it should have at the very least impacted the conclusion.

[SkinsJock]

.. Nice. Now what I really want to see is a buh-bye to Haz and promote Raheem Morris to DC.
You may be right that Haz could do better with a little more control, maybe the possiblity of going back to the 4-3. I just personally think fans aren't going to have much patience with him at this point, and it might be better to move on. Does anybody doubt that all we will hear next year is, "Why is Haslett still here?" anytime the Skins lose a game?

Next year? Isn't almost everyone already asking that right now? Most were shocked when he wasn't let go with the rest of Shanahan's staff.

I don't have a concern about keeping Haslett and Morris - I think this a good move on Bruce's part
Keeping these 2 keeps a little pressure off Jay Gruden - he and Sean McVay can concentrate on the offense a little more

Haslett is not the reason our defense had so many issues the past few years

we don't know for sure that Haslett is staying - it just seems likely and he's obviously a coach that Bruce thought could help here

[DaSkinz Baby]

Does anyone have any thought about McVey being the OC, at the tender young age of 27 this will either be a very good thing, or horrible. I don't know enough to garner any impression or thoughts at this moment and hope someone can add some information.

[SkinsJock]

I'm looking forward to the new look our sidelines will have next season - this is going to be a bunch of young and aggressive coaches

[spudstr04]

So far, this is what has been reported:

HC Jay Gruden (5 year deal)
OC Sean McVay
DC Jim Haslett or Raheem Morris?


It has also been reported that Haslett might switch to a 4-3 Defense.

It's kind of weird that London Fletcher has come out and been totally against keeping Haslett. Don't know if there's bad blood between them, but London isn't happy. Doesn't really matter, he's retired.

[riggofan]

That was 100% correct, until we all were made aware of Shanan's at least three years long practice of changing defensive game plans at the Wednesday meeting and making defensive calls during games.

I know what you're saying, but we're not talking about whether or not Haz is or was a capable DC. My point was that Haslett has been a HUGE object of criticism of the fanbase for four years now and hasn't had a good defense during those years. Whether it was completely his fault or not.

Like I wrote before, I guarantee you all we're going to hear all season long, any time we lose a game is: "Why is Haslett still here?" SCSkinsFan pointed out correctly that we're already hearing that, and we've been hearing it for two weeks.

I'm in favor of Gruden getting whatever coaches on his staff that he wants. My personal opinion though is that with Haslett it may be better to start with a clean slate and not leave yourself open to that criticism from day one. You KNOW how the fans are around here.

If they're going to keep Haz around, I hope they make him some sort of "assistant head coach" or whatever and promote Morris to DC. That would solve a lot of the problem.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Hiring a first time NFL head coach and keeping remnants of a failed staff isn't a mix I like.

But if the HC that you're so excited about thinks it's a mix that he likes, that leaves you in a bit of a pickle doesn't it? In addition, none of us know how any of these coaches performed their jobs on a daily basis, so how can you judge them? Both Morris and McVay had their rookies play amazing this year...

[riggofan]

Hiring a first time NFL head coach and keeping remnants of a failed staff isn't a mix I like.

But if the HC that you're so excited about thinks it's a mix that he likes, that leaves you in a bit of a pickle doesn't it? In addition, none of us know how any of these coaches performed their jobs on a daily basis, so how can you judge them? Both Morris and McVay had their rookies play amazing this year...

So what's your take, CLL? You like the hire or just in wait and see mode?

[Chris Luva Luva]

Hiring a first time NFL head coach and keeping remnants of a failed staff isn't a mix I like.

But if the HC that you're so excited about thinks it's a mix that he likes, that leaves you in a bit of a pickle doesn't it? In addition, none of us know how any of these coaches performed their jobs on a daily basis, so how can you judge them? Both Morris and McVay had their rookies play amazing this year...

So what's your take, CLL? You like the hire or just in wait and see mode?

My gut doesn't like it. But I know nothing about the man. What worries me is that I view this as a money saving tactic... I could change my perspective and view it as the GM wanting to keep some level of continuity and money wasn't the focus. Sadly, my experience as a Skins fan makes me pessimistic.

I love Morris. And I like McVay. They both did a great job with the talent given to them.

[gibbsfan]

goodluck jay gruden..

[AnthonyRRedskin1995]

So far, this is what has been reported:

HC Jay Gruden (5 year deal)
OC Sean McVay
DC Jim Haslett or Raheem Morris?


It has also been reported that Haslett might switch to a 4-3 Defense.

It's kind of weird that London Fletcher has come out and been totally against keeping Haslett. Don't know if there's bad blood between them, but London isn't happy. Doesn't really matter, he's retired.

Has Haslett ever ran a 4-3?

[PAPDOG67]

Hiring a first time NFL head coach and keeping remnants of a failed staff isn't a mix I like.

But if the HC that you're so excited about thinks it's a mix that he likes, that leaves you in a bit of a pickle doesn't it? In addition, none of us know how any of these coaches performed their jobs on a daily basis, so how can you judge them? Both Morris and McVay had their rookies play amazing this year...

You must have been watching different games than I did this year. While Amerson did improve, he still has a long way to go, and Rambo looked horrendous all season. Took bad routes in coverage and hios tackling actually got worse as the season went on. I actually like Morris, but his coaching job to me was just ok in my book.

[Chris Luva Luva]

You must have been watching different games than I did this year. While Amerson did improve, he still has a long way to go, and Rambo looked horrendous all season. Took bad routes in coverage and hios tackling actually got worse as the season went on. I actually like Morris, but his coaching job to me was just ok in my book.

Right... Because Amerson was a rookie. The issue's he had coming out of college were held to a minimum... He received solid coaching and made some great plays.

Rambo was a 5th round pick... Rambo starting because we couldn't afford to get a FS. Show me another team that starts a 5th round pick in their secondary. Baltimore drafted a guy in the 1st round and he didn't start the season. Do us a favor and frame the entirety of the circumstance. Because Rambo and the team was put into a position to fail because of the cap reduction. If you give Raheem a proper talent, he will do well with it.

Raheem had to play 2-3 players completely out of position due to the cap and injuries. He made due with crap and the secondary improved as the season went along.

[emoses14]

That was 100% correct, until we all were made aware of Shanan's at least three years long practice of changing defensive game plans at the Wednesday meeting and making defensive calls during games.

I know what you're saying, but we're not talking about whether or not Haz is or was a capable DC. My point was that Haslett has been a HUGE object of criticism of the fanbase for four years now and hasn't had a good defense during those years. Whether it was completely his fault or not.

Like I wrote before, I guarantee you all we're going to hear all season long, any time we lose a game is: "Why is Haslett still here?" SCSkinsFan pointed out correctly that we're already hearing that, and we've been hearing it for two weeks.

I'm in favor of Gruden getting whatever coaches on his staff that he wants. My personal opinion though is that with Haslett it may be better to start with a clean slate and not leave yourself open to that criticism from day one. You KNOW how the fans are around here.

If they're going to keep Haz around, I hope they make him some sort of "assistant head coach" or whatever and promote Morris to DC. That would solve a lot of the problem.

I hear you and think you're absolutely right.

[SkinsJock]

Time to move on and start putting things together here ...

I'm just glad that all this seems to be under the 'control' of the FO guys ...

as far as who is 'suitable' or whatever - everyone's jobs and futures are on the line here now ...
we finally seem to have some accountability and we have a number of people who are responsible for turning things around - Not just 1 man

We still have Dan Snyder as our owner and it remains to be seen if anyone can overcome that ... that to me is a bigger hurdle than worrying about who is doing what here
the most perfect coach at each position means little if Dan interferes with what happens on the field

I'm hopeful but I will be really disappointed if these guys (FO and coaches) are not all given a chance to help this franchise move forward

[PAPDOG67]

You must have been watching different games than I did this year. While Amerson did improve, he still has a long way to go, and Rambo looked horrendous all season. Took bad routes in coverage and hios tackling actually got worse as the season went on. I actually like Morris, but his coaching job to me was just ok in my book.

Right... Because Amerson was a rookie. The issue's he had coming out of college were held to a minimum... He received solid coaching and made some great plays.

Rambo was a 5th round pick... Rambo starting because we couldn't afford to get a FS. Show me another team that starts a 5th round pick in their secondary. Baltimore drafted a guy in the 1st round and he didn't start the season. Do us a favor and frame the entirety of the circumstance. Because Rambo and the team was put into a position to fail because of the cap reduction. If you give Raheem a proper talent, he will do well with it.

Raheem had to play 2-3 players completely out of position due to the cap and injuries. He made due with crap and the secondary improved as the season went along.

We will agree to disagree than. I thought the secondary, as well as the entire defense pretty much sucked the entire season. Most of it had to do with lack of talent, but the scheme was terrible as well.

[Chris Luva Luva]

We will agree to disagree than. I thought the secondary, as well as the entire defense pretty much sucked the entire season. Most of it had to do with lack of talent, but the scheme was terrible as well.

In your "analysis" of the unit, you are judging them within a vacuum. You are not considering or simply downright choose to ignore the surrounding circumstances. You're not considering that the for the first 6-8 games the OFFENSE scored only one TD in the first half of any game. What was the offenses percentage on third down? And specifically, their percentage before garbage time skewed the stats?

This was never an elite defense. It was plagued with injury and an inability to improve from the following year. When you have to start a FA CB at Safey... The issues aren't coaching.

You mentioned the scheme but how can you scheme when your offense doesn't score until the 4th quarter? Essentially when the other team is throttling down it's defense...? I'll pose the same question to you, what games were you watching? How can Haz's attacking/blitz oriented defense afford to do that when they aren't being rested? And when they do get off the field, the offense puts them back on. And if the offense sustains a drive, they give the ball away. What games were you watching? Do you understand that an attacking defense is prone to get exposed and needs an offense to bail them out? How can he attack when the OFFENSE CANNOT SCORE?!

Again, this defense was not elite. But it was given nothing to work with. It was not improved upon. And that is not the fault of the coaching staff. They did the best with what they had. Danny Smith QUIT for the same freaking reason. He was given crap to work with and didn't want his good name dragged through the mud (as is the case right here in this thread) by people who don't or simply refuse to acknowledge the situation.

[riggofan]

We will agree to disagree than. I thought the secondary, as well as the entire defense pretty much sucked the entire season. Most of it had to do with lack of talent, but the scheme was terrible as well.

Which part of the scheme was terrible? Just curious.

[PAPDOG67]

We will agree to disagree than. I thought the secondary, as well as the entire defense pretty much sucked the entire season. Most of it had to do with lack of talent, but the scheme was terrible as well.

In your "analysis" of the unit, you are judging them within a vacuum. You are not considering or simply downright choose to ignore the surrounding circumstances. You're not considering that the for the first 6-8 games the OFFENSE scored only one TD in the first half of any game. What was the offenses percentage on third down? And specifically, their percentage before garbage time skewed the stats?

This was never an elite defense. It was plagued with injury and an inability to improve from the following year. When you have to start a FA CB at Safey... The issues aren't coaching.

You mentioned the scheme but how can you scheme when your offense doesn't score until the 4th quarter? Essentially when the other team is throttling down it's defense...? I'll pose the same question to you, what games were you watching? How can Haz's attacking/blitz oriented defense afford to do that when they aren't being rested? And when they do get off the field, the offense puts them back on. And if the offense sustains a drive, they give the ball away. What games were you watching?

Again, this defense was not elite. But it was given nothing to work with. It was not improved upon. And that is not the fault of the coaching staff. They did the best with what they had. Danny Smith QUIT for the same freaking reason. He was given crap to work with and didn't want his good name dragged through the mud (as is the case right here in this thread) by people who don't or simply refuse to acknowledge the situation.

The defenses job is to keep people off the scoreboard regardless of what the offense is doing. They did a terrible job of that all season long.

[PAPDOG67]

We will agree to disagree than. I thought the secondary, as well as the entire defense pretty much sucked the entire season. Most of it had to do with lack of talent, but the scheme was terrible as well.

Which part of the scheme was terrible? Just curious.

The fact that I saw Kerrigan trying to cover a RB out of the backfield on many occaisions. The fact thay I saw dog blitzes while the secondary plays soft coverage behind it. I can go on and on. Haslet has been awful.

[Chris Luva Luva]

The defenses job is to keep people off the scoreboard regardless of what the offense is doing. They did a terrible job of that all season long.

Point blank, you don't know what you're talking about. It's not even that you're totally off base, it's that you refuse to understand why. You're talking "scheme" and don't even realize why he was hardly able to run his "scheme". You refuse to acknowledge it. And I don't care if he comes or goes, but let's be realistic and talk in hyperbole less.

[riggofan]

We will agree to disagree than. I thought the secondary, as well as the entire defense pretty much sucked the entire season. Most of it had to do with lack of talent, but the scheme was terrible as well.

Which part of the scheme was terrible? Just curious.

The fact that I saw Kerrigan trying to cover a RB out of the backfield on many occaisions. The fact thay I saw dog blitzes while the secondary plays soft coverage behind it. I can go on and on. Haslet has been awful.

Ah thanks. Misread your original post. I thought you were still writing specifically about Morris.

[RayNAustin]

I like the Gruden hire, and I think it is a wise move to keep Haslett, for continuity.

Haz was hamstrung by not having the proper personnel to run a 34 defense in the first two years, and these past two years, the secondary was a talentless joke, with the exception of Hall. NOBODY can deliver a solid defense with the holes this backfield had. Then, throw in the reports of Shanahan interferring ... give the Haz man a break.

As for promoting Morris to DC ... I can find no rational argument to support that, given that he was in charge of the defensive group which was the biggest failure (I don't blame Morris for that, but find no reason to prpmote him for it either)

As for McVay ... don't know enough about him to say .... but I like a little more age and experience at the OC and DC spots. I'm not crazy about the coach being younger than some of the players ... but if Gruden controls the offense (play calling) i'd feel better about that.

[DaSkinz Baby]

We will agree to disagree than. I thought the secondary, as well as the entire defense pretty much sucked the entire season. Most of it had to do with lack of talent, but the scheme was terrible as well.

Which part of the scheme was terrible? Just curious.

What part of the scheme was terrible?? Well for one how about having Ryan Kerrigan cover Shady McCoy?? Is that one enough to validate this scheme was terrible, Jim Haslett sucks as well as anything else negative you could say???