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he will most likely finish out the year nothing to gain or lose if he is fired now ....
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Shanhan has said he wants to return next season. Stay tuned... Same station and same bat channel.
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The thing about Shanahan is if he wrote a book it wouldn't be about his blunders. If he wrote a book it would be about why it was he has failed as a personnel guy at both the Broncos and Redskins. NOT. If I was owner I would leave it up to my own people (scouts) that Shanahan brought in to decide who should be coaching what. Most successful franchises hire within. Those franchises that have an abundance of good coaches lose them but they were most likely hired within. Lean on our scouts I say.
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If the starting QB issue can be settled between DS and MS, I wouldn't be surprised to see MS back next year, but is DS dictates who the starting QB will be, it doesn't matter who they get as DS will interfere with his ability to coach.
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Granted, we're all sick of the "rumors", but the latest is the Skins might keep Shanahan, but get all new coaches otherwise.

I'm a bit disenchanted with Shanahan at this point, but I wonder what that would look like.
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Neo wrote:Granted, we're all sick of the "rumors", but the latest is the Skins might keep Shanahan, but get all new coaches otherwise.

I'm a bit disenchanted with Shanahan at this point, but I wonder what that would look like.



Which means someone dropped the ball somewhere. If people are being let go and Mike returns I wonder who should be responsible for that? Kyle doesn't even want to work for him anymore.
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SKINS#1 wrote:If the starting QB issue can be settled between DS and MS, I wouldn't be surprised to see MS back next year, but is DS dictates who the starting QB will be, it doesn't matter who they get as DS will interfere with his ability to coach.


Not adding stock to any QB controversies, but what bothers me most is the set in stone decision that RG3 is the franchise QB (long term). Hear me out before reacting, I'm not saying that RG3 should NOT be our starter, but rather the job should go to who ever is the best option for the team.

In other words, if, IF, Cousins were to consistently (key word) play better then RG3 over an extended period of time, why wouldn't you make him your starter?

For the record, I believe RG3 will come out on top. I only bring this up because this mind set seems to be the case with offensive line starters as well; like they name these players "starters" and no other player can take their spot.
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Kilmer72 wrote:Shanhan has said he wants to return next season. Stay tuned... Same station and same bat channel.


The main reason for the confusion is that there have been a lot of 'reports' and 'opinions' that are just based on mis information and because the record STINKS

most of this BS is 'created and added to' by a very aggressive media who do not like Mike or Dan Snyder

The important fact is that Robert is the starting QB - providing he has a good relationship with and trusts Mike and Mike wants to work with Robert …

why would Mike not finish out his contract

i think there have to be a number of coaching changes here and I'm not sure that Mike wants to stay but if he and Robert want to work together I don't think that Dan is going to feel a need to step in and fire Mike no matter what the press or the fans think
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Kilmer72 wrote:
Neo wrote:Granted, we're all sick of the "rumors", but the latest is the Skins might keep Shanahan, but get all new coaches otherwise.
I'm a bit disenchanted with Shanahan at this point, but I wonder what that would look like.

If people are being let go and Mike returns I wonder who should be responsible for that? Kyle doesn't even want to work for him anymore.


there are many rumors that are just being put out there to create a 'story'

how do you know that Kyle does not want to work with Mike anymore - please clarify that
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Gonna add to my prediction of Mike being here. Kubiack and Wade Phillips are brought in to right the ship

And while I'm rubbing my ball, I'm gonna predict that Cousins is traded to Cleveland for Josh Gordan.
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Kilmer72 wrote:
Neo wrote:Granted, we're all sick of the "rumors", but the latest is the Skins might keep Shanahan, but get all new coaches otherwise.

I'm a bit disenchanted with Shanahan at this point, but I wonder what that would look like.



Which means someone dropped the ball somewhere. If people are being let go and Mike returns I wonder who should be responsible for that? Kyle doesn't even want to work for him anymore.


Its gotta be tough working for your dad, but MS saying he would return if he could run the team his way is a bit confusing (and concerning).

I thought that was already in his contract and has been the way it is since; MS running the team without interference from Snyder. Normally I'd write something like that off a BS, but its coming from Mike's mouth.

I think MS is just doing damage control for future employment elsewhere.
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if SYDER fires shanny doesn't he still have to pay him the 7 million that he is owed ?
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redskinz4ever wrote:if SYDER fires shanny doesn't he still have to pay him the 7 million that he is owed ?


Yes, plus the additional fee of the new HC. I don't think the damage of keeping MS for one more year outweighs losing an additional $7mil. I'm worn out about MS, but we could pick up another solid player for that much.

I vote for upgrading all of the coaches except MS next year. The following year, if there's no major improvements, get a new HC too. This of course is after we upgrade the GM.
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Kilmer72 wrote:
Neo wrote:Granted, we're all sick of the "rumors", but the latest is the Skins might keep Shanahan, but get all new coaches otherwise.
I'm a bit disenchanted with Shanahan at this point, but I wonder what that would look like.

If people are being let go and Mike returns I wonder who should be responsible for that? Kyle doesn't even want to work for him anymore.


there are many rumors that are just being put out there to create a 'story'

how do you know that Kyle does not want to work with Mike anymore - please clarify that


Riggofan already posted this http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... h-his-dad/
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Normally, the superstar wins. Therefore, if RG3 wants MS out of here, he's a goner. I want a new coaching staff with a defensive minded head coach, and an OC that has the sense to make a good game plan. But that's my opinion.
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ASHBURN, Va. -- London Fletcher wasn’t asked about Mike Shanahan during his “99-percent-sure-I’m-reitring” news conference Wednesday. But Fletcher made sure to find a way to let everyone know his opinion.

Fletcher was asked about the season being tough, and is his work really done in Washington. Fletcher turned that around to the topic of whether Shanahan should return. Yes, players typically stand up for the coach publicly. Most of them anyway, because the guy who dresses next to Fletcher, quarterback Robert Griffin III, hasn’t done so. After the past two weeks, no one can blame him.


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Still, it was interesting to hear what Fletcher had to say unprompted. It meshes with what others have said, privately and publicly.

Here is Fletcher’s take:

“The way I look at it, I think coach Shanahan is a great coach. Any player who played for him, probably 95 percent of the guys who played for him, would love playing for him. I think he’s definitely the right guy. I think [owner Dan] Snyder would be wise to let him see this thing through. Obviously there has to be changes made. There is change that needs to take place, but I don’t think it needs to be with the head coach. He’s the right guy for it. Coach Shanahan will have to have a conversation with Mr. Snyder at the end of the year. Let them get some time, maybe a week or two, let the season get past them and let them get into a room and say, how do we move forward and get this thing right.

“One thing that hasn’t happened since Mr. Snyder owned this team, there hasn’t been any stability at the head coach position. Sometimes when I study the winning franchises, the perennial winning franchises -- I’m talking New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, even Baltimore -- they have a sense of stability. They have a plan and they stick with it. With this being said, coach Shanahan is the right guy. You can’t stay status quo in every area of the team. They’ll have money to spend in the offseason. There will be some personnel changes.”

And here’s the kicker:

“It will be hard to do it with just one year left on his deal. You’re looking at the coach as a one-year deal, most people will be like 'is he a lame duck?' You should extend him, as crazy as that may sound, to continue to let him build this thing the right way.”
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Kilmer72 wrote:Shanhan has said he wants to return next season. Stay tuned... Same station and same bat channel.


The main reason for the confusion is that there have been a lot of 'reports' and 'opinions' that are just based on mis information and because the record STINKS

most of this BS is 'created and added to' by a very aggressive media who do not like Mike or Dan Snyder

The important fact is that Robert is the starting QB - providing he has a good relationship with and trusts Mike and Mike wants to work with Robert …

why would Mike NOT finish out his contract

there have to be a number of coaching changes here and I'm not sure that Mike wants to stay but …
if he and Robert want to work together I don't think that Dan is going to let Mike leave - no matter what the press or the fans think


this was posted earlier …
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Wonder what "changes" Fletcher was referring to in his presser.
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StorminMormon86 wrote:Wonder what "changes" Fletcher was referring to in his presser.

seems fairly clear that Fletcher thinks Mike needs to stay and 'change' things

We'll see change in players and coaches - with that comes some changes in how things get done on the field and hopefully in the win column
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Chris Russell is hinting at a coaching change is almost a guarantee.
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Throwing out John Gruden and Bill Cohwer as replacements

He runs a 3-4 as well has a very good track record with young mobile QB's.
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I would be surprised if Dan made a change at HC but this season was very disappointing and the HC has to take responsibility

we do have a future great QB & some good young players to build around - we are in better shape & closer to being competitive than a 3 win record would indicate
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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