Cousins Is Just Better...

[OldSchool]

I don't even think it is close, Kirk Cousins is a much better NFL quarterback than Griffin. I think the Skins would still be in the division race if they had played Cousins instead of the injured and hapless Griffin. Starting the season with a quarterback that has a gimpy leg, who doesn't know how read defenses, change protections, release quickly to the open man or lead receivers open with passes when the backup quarterback can do all these things is stupid, Dan Snyder jock sniffer stupid.

Shanahan started the real quarterback today because he doesn't give a damn anymore. Snyder will be doing Shannahan a favor when he cans him. Two more weeks to go.

[brad7686]

He looks better than this year's RG3, but not last year's. Going forward who knows.

[OldSchool]

Griffin ran like a deer last season and could scramble around until the coverage broke down and the guy was wide open. Maybe he'll be able to do that again next year I don't know. What I do know is Cousins with next to nothing in NFL experience or practice plays like a real NFL QB, imagine how he'd perform if the Skin's had invested a lot of time on him instead of Griffin. To my eyes Cousins looks like the supremely talented young star and Griffin looks like the project the Skin picked up as a free agent and hope to shine up to trade.

[Neo]

Easy there...its only been one game. Sure Cousins is good, but teams don't have as much tape on him as they have on RG3.

Cousins is also not recovering mentally from a near career-ending injury; RG3 is just going through his slump, it will pass.

[Countertrey]

The comparison is not accurate...
Cousins came to the Redskins as a polished pro-style quarterback. He's been developed as a pocket passer for 10 years.
He is clearly skilled, and intelligent, is able to read and dissect defenses, set blocking, and work his progressions. He's also far more athletic than he's given credit for.

RG3 is a spread quarterback, who has relied on his world-class athleticism to free receivers. I said from the beginning, Bob must develop pocket skills to survive as a quarterback into his 30's. It's a shame that he had to start at the beginning of the season last year. He cannot survive as a pure read-option quarterback. It was CRITICAL that he have the last off season to begin that process... he did not get it. As a result, no matter how much he tried to develop the skills in live play, he simply did not have the benefit of a good enough line... the game did not slow down for him... and he has not been able to work on critical pocket skills.

So... it's true that Cousins is the more refined quarterback at this time. I knew that to be true last year, as well. I still believe that Bob WILL develop pro-style skills, and that his ceiling has the potential to be in the stratosphere. He's too intelligent not to grow. When he does... it will be LIGHTS OUT.

Both of these quarterbacks will take teams deep into the playoffs at some time. I think there's a good chance that both will end their careers wearing rings...

Bottom line... don't get too attached to Cousins... and don't give up on Bob.

[Neo]

The comparison is not accurate...
Cousins came to the Redskins as a polished pro-style quarterback. He's been developed as a pocket passer for 10 years.
He is clearly skilled, and intelligent, is able to read and dissect defenses, set blocking, and work his progressions. He's also far more athletic than he's given credit for.

RG3 is a spread quarterback, who has relied on his world-class athleticism to free receivers. I said from the beginning, Bob must develop pocket skills to survive as a quarterback into his 30's. It's a shame that he had to start at the beginning of the season last year. He cannot survive as a pure read-option quarterback. It was CRITICAL that he have the last off season to begin that process... he did not get it. As a result, no matter how much he tried to develop the skills in live play, he simply did not have the benefit of a good enough line... the game did not slow down for him... and he has not been able to work on critical pocket skills.

So... it's true that Cousins is the more refined quarterback at this time. I knew that to be true last year, as well. I still believe that Bob WILL develop pro-style skills, and that his ceiling has the potential to be in the stratosphere. He's too intelligent not to grow. When he does... it will be LIGHTS OUT.

Both of these quarterbacks will take teams deep into the playoffs at some time. I think there's a good chance that both will end their careers wearing rings...

Bottom line... don't get too attached to Cousins... and don't give up on Bob.

Love that last line!

Its going to be a sad day when Cousins signs else where, and I think he will thrive where ever he goes.

I think RG3 needs a better QB coach. I too, believe he will develop his skills, but I would like for most of that growth to happen before next year. Probably unrealistic hopes, but you get my point.

I'm far more comfortable with Cousins' style of offense (basically less QB running), and hope RG3's pocket passing skills grows so well that we all forget about his running days.

[OldSchool]

No, it has been a lot more than one game we have all seen Griffin play many times and he needs to recover his mobility to cover his many deficiencies in the pocket or he won't be in the league long. Cousins is demonstrating he has the pocket passing skills to play in the NFl. I think 10 years from now Cousins will have done more in the league than Griffin. Some smart team is going to get him for a second round pick or two and have a 10 year starter.

[SkinsJock]

I agree C'trey - Cousins will prove to be a valuable pick, but there should be no doubt that Robert is the QB that this franchise is looking to as the franchise QB

we are very lucky that the FO saw the potential in Kirk Cousins and brought him in here

there seems little doubt that if he continues to play like we saw today he will be traded but he also is valuable to us as a back up to Robert

[Neo]

No, it has been a lot more than one game we have all seen Griffin play many times and he needs to recover his mobility to cover his many deficiencies in the pocket or he won't be in the league long. Cousins is demonstrating he has the pocket passing skills to play in the NFl. I think 10 years from now Cousins will have done more in the league than Griffin. Some smart team is going to get him for a second round pick or two and have a 10 year starter.

I think the line just has him in a constant state of panic mode; kinda hard to be accurate when you're expecting to have to run for your life each play.

The "what ifs" of Cousins is what makes me reluctant to let him go, but he obviously wants to play, so you might as well pretty him up and trade him high (he'll just leave anyway once he's a free agent).

Lets just hope whoever we get with Cousins' draft picks, etc. ends up just as good or a better investment of what Cousin could have been.

[Neo]

I agree C'trey - There should be no doubt that Robert is the QB that this franchise is looking to as the franchise QB

we are very lucky that the FO saw the potential in Kirk Cousins and brought him in here

there seems little doubt that if he continues to play like we saw today he will be traded but he also is valuable to us as a back up to Robert

I think the Packers have demonstrated the importance of having a good backup QB. If we traded Cousins, we would still need to pick up another QB to backup Griffin. I just hope they don't use a draft pick on another backup.

[SKINS#1]

[quote="SkinsJock"]I agree C'trey - Cousins will prove to be a valuable pick, but there should be no doubt that Robert is the QB that this franchise is looking to as the franchise QB

At this point, it may depend on who is making the decision. If DS makes the decision I agree, it is RG3 but if MS is making the decision, I am not sure.

[hanburgerheel]

The whole "who's backing-up who" is a little skewed with these two. They are two very different style QB's. The offense runs completely different with these two. So, if one gets hurt, then the offense completely changes. You'd think you might want a relief to be able to run the offense just like the competent starter that just got hurt. I've seen some college programs use these two types of QB's in tandem in a single drive.

I'm still not sold on Griffin. I'm certainly not sold on him being worth what they gave for him.
i think Cousins is more fundamentally sound. He seems more humble and less of a media and corporate darling (which I prefer). Griffin got thrust into a position with accolades and obligations that he never earned. It's a real shame that the team lacks leadership and coaching that can be relied upon to correct the problems and emphasize the strengths. There is such a drama and mess in the program now that it's regressed to before Shanahan and company ever came. I'd be just as happy with Cousins, however. He threw some bad interceptions, but seemed to have much more composure and NFL-caliber skills.

[Burgundy&Wha?]

The comparison is not accurate...
Cousins came to the Redskins as a polished pro-style quarterback. He's been developed as a pocket passer for 10 years.
He is clearly skilled, and intelligent, is able to read and dissect defenses, set blocking, and work his progressions. He's also far more athletic than he's given credit for.

RG3 is a spread quarterback, who has relied on his world-class athleticism to free receivers. I said from the beginning, Bob must develop pocket skills to survive as a quarterback into his 30's. It's a shame that he had to start at the beginning of the season last year. He cannot survive as a pure read-option quarterback. It was CRITICAL that he have the last off season to begin that process... he did not get it. As a result, no matter how much he tried to develop the skills in live play, he simply did not have the benefit of a good enough line... the game did not slow down for him... and he has not been able to work on critical pocket skills.

So... it's true that Cousins is the more refined quarterback at this time. I knew that to be true last year, as well. I still believe that Bob WILL develop pro-style skills, and that his ceiling has the potential to be in the stratosphere. He's too intelligent not to grow. When he does... it will be LIGHTS OUT.

Both of these quarterbacks will take teams deep into the playoffs at some time. I think there's a good chance that both will end their careers wearing rings...

Bottom line... don't get too attached to Cousins... and don't give up on Bob.

You know, sometimes you're like Rodney Dangerfield and I'm like Sam Kinneson. Good answer. Good answer. I'm going to keep my eye on you....

[redskinz4ever]

cousins at this of their careers is a better all around QB ..... reading defense .... throwing from the pocket .... timing seems to be there for the most part.
he was more pro ready than RG3 ( so the draft experts said ) .... now turn that back before RG3 got hurt .... more exciting yes .... more explosive yes ..... RG3 had one amazing season .... moving forward i think this next 2 seasons will tell if RG3 can learn to play the QB position at a high level.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Losing to a team that is 3-10 must have some how still been RG3s fault... from the sideline.. The rgiii that played against the giants looked every bit as good as what we saw today. This TEAM is not run well- personell and coaches.. I have no doubt both qbs will be successful, and I also think rgiii is the better qb.
Good chat.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Losing to a team that is 3-10 must have some how still been RG3s fault... from the sideline.. The rgiii that played against the giants looked every bit as good as what we saw today. This TEAM is not run well- personell and coaches.. I have no doubt both qbs will be successful, and I also think rgiii is the better qb.
Good chat.

[crazyhorse1]

I'm not convinced by Cousins. He throws too many interceptions, generally, and continued that today against maybe the worse, or next to worse, team in the NFL. How many yards would RG3 have piled up today?

[Neo]

Losing to a team that is 3-10 must have some how still been RG3s fault... from the sideline.. The rgiii that played against the giants looked every bit as good as what we saw today. This TEAM is not run well- personell and coaches.. I have no doubt both qbs will be successful, and I also think rgiii is the better qb.
Good chat.

Great point!

[OldSchool]

I don't get "the comparison is not fair" logic. It's not fair to compare the actual performances of Cousins and Griffin? You apparently think a more relevant comparison is between the actual Cousins and a theoretical future Griffin who has learned how to read defenses, change protections, quickly go through progressions, make the right choice and deliver the ball accurately. I think your standard is the one Redskins will continue to use and they will invest at least another season trying to teach Griffin the basics of quarterbacking and if he is still ineffective in the pocket diehard RGIIIBots will reason it he is learning a new offense, the sun is in his eyes, the dog ate his play book, it would all be different if Shannahan had taken him out in the Seahawks game, Griffin's first two years were wasted because the Shannahan's didn't know how to develop him so in fairness year 3 is really year 1 in RGIII years or a bunch of other BS. As for me I think Cousins is much more talented and the one the Skins should invest in because he is really a quarterback not a project like Griffin.

[DaSkinz Baby]

I know there would be so many people on here after Cousins good showing yesterday. But can you all please temper your excitement? Please understand that Atlanta DOES NOT HAVE A GOOD DEFENSE and Kirk still was intercepted 2 times and lost a fumble! Let us also take into consideration that he has had A LOT MORE TIME to understand this offense, went through a full off season, worked for months with the starting offense. So shouldn't he have played well? RGIII isn't done by a long shot, and add in the injury, the noise, the incompetence of the Shanahan's I am sure RGIII is entitled to a pass for this year's play. I think RGIII had a sophomore slump, but I also think that RGIII has lost faith in this coaching staff and after last year and this year, who can blame him. Seriously? I am glad we have a good backup, who might just be starter material one day but to come right out and say he is better after a preseason and starting 2 career games against teams that were not doing good, nor going to the playoff's is stupid. I would have loved to have seen Cousins play the 49ers, Bronco's or Chiefs. Then maybe then I could see these premature posts.......

[oj]

The comparison is not accurate...
Cousins came to the Redskins as a polished pro-style quarterback. He's been developed as a pocket passer for 10 years.
He is clearly skilled, and intelligent, is able to read and dissect defenses, set blocking, and work his progressions. He's also far more athletic than he's given credit for.

RG3 is a spread quarterback, who has relied on his world-class athleticism to free receivers. I said from the beginning, Bob must develop pocket skills to survive as a quarterback into his 30's. It's a shame that he had to start at the beginning of the season last year. He cannot survive as a pure read-option quarterback. It was CRITICAL that he have the last off season to begin that process... he did not get it. As a result, no matter how much he tried to develop the skills in live play, he simply did not have the benefit of a good enough line... the game did not slow down for him... and he has not been able to work on critical pocket skills.

So... it's true that Cousins is the more refined quarterback at this time. I knew that to be true last year, as well. I still believe that Bob WILL develop pro-style skills, and that his ceiling has the potential to be in the stratosphere. He's too intelligent not to grow. When he does... it will be LIGHTS OUT.

Both of these quarterbacks will take teams deep into the playoffs at some time. I think there's a good chance that both will end their careers wearing rings...

Bottom line... don't get too attached to Cousins... and don't give up on Bob.

Where is the 10year professional experience? What proteam did he refine his pocket passing skills?
You have blinders on and minimizing Cousins' natural born, not needing to be coached, talent. Near as i can tell it is 'Lights Out' right now, no comparison. The coach/team that even considers trading Cousins would be a fool, he is a great a gold mine as Morris.
You guys can play 'coulda, shoulda, woulda, might be, maybe, and blame the water boy' all you want. That is making excuses. Let Rg3 go and sell teeshirts for a different team, we'll see them on the way to a Super Bowl.
You guys know what the outcome of that game will be don't you.

[StorminMormon86]

People also need to realize that Griffin played aganist worse defenses than Atlanta, and looked a lot worse than Cousins. Cousins proved how effective our offense can be when its run correctly. And stop with the 2 INTS nonsense. Morris fumbled the ball twice, Moss once (and the muffed punt return)...so it's not all on Cousins with the turnovers. Add on the fact that it was his first full week of practice, I'm not all that surprised that he threw picks.

[SkinsJock]

I'm glad we're seeing such good play from Cousins and I really do not think that we're going to trade him - not even for a 1st round pick

having a really good back up QB is a good thing and he's here

NOTHING is guaranteed but all the guys that know anything about this game think that Robert is a franchise QB
Cousins at this time is showing that he's a good NFL QB and given Robert's slow progress in developing into a future great QB - we should keep Cousins


I don't understand why it's such a big deal anyway - Cousins and Griffin are here and we're going to try and help them BOTH become better than they are now

Some may think that Cousins is the better QB - right now I'd say he is but there are some of us that think that Robert is a very special talent and future great QB

no big deal - they're both here

[DaSkinz Baby]

People also need to realize that Griffin played aganist worse defenses than Atlanta, and looked a lot worse than Cousins. Cousins proved how effective our offense can be when its run correctly. And stop with the 2 INTS nonsense. Morris fumbled the ball twice, Moss once (and the muffed punt return)...so it's not all on Cousins with the turnovers. Add on the fact that it was his first full week of practice, I'm not all that surprised that he threw picks.

I can't believe the people who keep praising Cousins when we lost the game to the worst defense/team in the league.

When Cousins gets sacked and fumbles, its the lines fault. When RG3 gets sacked and fumbles it's his fault because he could not avoid the sack due to his newly constructed knee.

When Cousins throws 2 interceptions its overlooked, but when RG3 throws an interception its he can't read the defense.

Stop the madness and stop turning a blind eye to your hypocrisy. Something is not right and honestly it's nothing to do with either RG3 or Kirk Cousins. It's the entire team!!!!!

[DaSkinz Baby]

I don't even think it is close, Kirk Cousins is a much better NFL quarterback than Griffin. I think the Skins would still be in the division race if they had played Cousins instead of the injured and hapless Griffin. Starting the season with a quarterback that has a gimpy leg, who doesn't know how read defenses, change protections, release quickly to the open man or lead receivers open with passes when the backup quarterback can do all these things is stupid, Dan Snyder jock sniffer stupid.

Shanahan started the real quarterback today because he doesn't give a damn anymore. Snyder will be doing Shannahan a favor when he cans him. Two more weeks to go.

Please, they have one of the worst secondary in the league, Dallas is next and they're even worse but Cousin's is the answer? LOL
If the Skins were dumb enough to trade him to Houston, after being a Redskins fan for almost 45 years, I'll be done.
And I'd enjoy watching Griffin succeed in Houston, while this Miserable franchise continues to SUCK..... YOU IGNORANT FANS WOULD DESERVE AS MUCH.