Owner-QB link disillusioned coach

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Are we gonna switch HC w the Texans? Kubiac here Shanny there? Kyle might be safe if so..

[hanburgerheel]

Are we gonna switch HC w the Texans? Kubiac here Shanny there? Kyle might be safe if so..

Kubiack's record for the last two years is 10-6 & 12-4

Not too bad.

[SkinsJock]

… When leaks like this start to happen, this is somebody positioning themselves. Possibly also Shanahan trying to force Snyder's hand into firing him.

I don't think the truth of the story is really as important as the fact that this story is coming out now at all.
Its also not some random blogger speculating. This is coming through ESPN. This makes me think its a lot more likely that Mike is gone.

one of the announcers today brought up this 'report' - he confirmed with a very reliable source that this 'story' from the end of last season was in fact NOT TRUE

however - as riggofan points out - it does not matter that this false report is now out there .. what's important, I agree, is that someone is 'positioning' themselves

this could get very interesting and is not a good thing for this franchise, even for fans like me that do not like Mike as HC

[SkinsJock]

I think Bruce Allen was on board before Shanny and must have been involved in bringing him to the Redskins. Don't think this is all on the owner.

we all know that Bruce Allen was hired by Dan Snyder BECAUSE Mike Shanahan recommended him

[Hooligan]

How about this: We give them both Shanahans in exchange for Wade Phillips, and sign Kubiak as HC.

[SKINS#1]

I think Bruce Allen was on board before Shanny and must have been involved in bringing him to the Redskins. Don't think this is all on the owner.

we all know that Bruce Allen was hired by Dan Snyder BECAUSE Mike Shanahan recommended him

I just did some checking and BA was hired before Shanny. Also, read BA may have been the driving force in drafting RG3 over Shanny objection. Not sure I believe this but the next few months will be interesting.

[Countertrey]

I think Bruce Allen was on board before Shanny and must have been involved in bringing him to the Redskins. Don't think this is all on the owner.

we all know that Bruce Allen was hired by Dan Snyder BECAUSE Mike Shanahan recommended him

I just did some checking and BA was hired before Shanny. Also, read BA may have been the driving force in drafting RG3 over Shanny objection. Not sure I believe this but the next few months will be interesting.

No. I was the driving force behind the drafting of RG3... just ask anyone here...

[Kilmer72]

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For those that need that link.

[welch]

I thought I was forced CT to lead the drive to trade for and to draft RGIII. I'm older and I'm grumpy when the Redskins lose.

[Burgundy&Wha?]

No. I was the driving force behind the drafting of RG3... just ask anyone here...

If that were on you, Vinny, you would have kicked in an additional second round pick.

[SkinsJock]

I think Bruce Allen was on board before Shanny and must have been involved in bringing him to the Redskins. Don't think this is all on the owner.

we all know that Bruce Allen WAS hired by Dan Snyder BECAUSE Mike Shanahan recommended him

I just did some checking and BA was hired before Shanny.
Also, read BA may have been the driving force in drafting RG3 over Shanny objection. Not sure I believe this but the next few months will be interesting.

2 things for you …. and your feelings are correct - BOTH Bruce and Mike wanted to bring in Robert

Mike was out of coaching and basically told Dan Snyder that he (Snyder) needed a GM and that he (Mike) would like to work with Bruce Allen in DC …
it was clear to most of us that Dan hired Bruce Allen as he wanted to bring in Mike to work with Bruce in the FO AND be the HC - with complete CONTROL

there is little doubt that Jeff Fisher/Rams made the trade with Washington instead of the "better" deal from the Browns because he liked Mike
Mike must have wanted RG3 or he would not have helped Bruce make the deal with the Rams

[Irn-Bru]

Wow, this situation devolved very quickly.

It's over. It's done.

The only question now is how Snyder is going to proceed. I doubt he's going to be able to attract a legitimate head coaching candidate, because if he's made one thing clear through 14 years of ownership and 7 head coaches, including a HoFer and another who will be considered for the HoF, it's that the job here is hell.

I am very afraid that we are going to end up with a splash that Snyder hopes will save face. Someone with a proven track record elsewhere but who won't be allowed to actually clean house here and run things according to his style. Gruden is a real possibility. Another splashy college coach is also an option.

No matter who he picks, it's not going to work, though.

We have one problem with this organization. All other problems stem from a single root cause.

It's the one thing — the only thing — that has not changed since Snyder took ownership.

I am not optimistic that the next step will be positive. We had a real chance at that with Shanahan and blew it. I had real hopes that Snyder had learned his lessons, and that it was really Vinny who was to blame for our dysfunction. But I am now convinced I was wrong.

Today is my lowest moment as a Redskins fan that I can remember, because it brings back all of the issues I thought were going or gone years ago. I'm worried they will all come rushing back like they've only been gone for a week.

I've never seen a team beat so badly in a game. I've never seen a personnel situation with so much potential fall apart so pathetically.

[Deadskins]

Please Danny, wait until the end of the season before making any coaching changes. If you fire Shanny now, you may as well slit your own wrists, because there is no way another coach worth anything would ever come here.

[Irn-Bru]

[-o< Please Danny, wait until the end of the season before making any coaching changes. If you fire Shanny now, you may as well slit your own wrists, because there is no way another coach worth anything would ever come here.

I'm not so sure that waiting until the end of the season would make a difference. The past 48 hours have basically revealed that Snyder hasn't really changed. There isn't another owner in the league who head coaches have this many problems with this consistently. A senile Al Davis (RIP) and Jerry Jones are about the only ones who can compete.

[SkinsJock]

… Also, read BA may have been the driving force in drafting RG3 over Shanny objection. Not sure I believe this but the next few months will be interesting.

No. I was the driving force behind the drafting of RG3... just ask anyone here...

now THAT'S the truth -

[SkinsJock]

[-o< Please Danny, wait until the end of the season before making any coaching changes. If you fire Shanny now, you may as well slit your own wrists, because there is no way another coach worth anything would ever come here.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that agrees with you but we all know that Dan Snyder is as conniving and scheming as anyone and his ego will not let him STOP

this is a potential nightmare and will set everything and everyone back to making the Redskins the laughingstock of the NFL again

the media will have a feeding frenzy and help exacerbate this situation if they can - this is 'heaven' for them

[GoSkins]

Wow, this situation devolved very quickly.

It's over. It's done.

The only question now is how Snyder is going to proceed. I doubt he's going to be able to attract a legitimate head coaching candidate, because if he's made one thing clear through 14 years of ownership and 7 head coaches, including a HoFer and another who will be considered for the HoF, it's that the job here is hell.

I am very afraid that we are going to end up with a splash that Snyder hopes will save face. Someone with a proven track record elsewhere but who won't be allowed to actually clean house here and run things according to his style. Gruden is a real possibility. Another splashy college coach is also an option.

No matter who he picks, it's not going to work, though.

We have one problem with this organization. All other problems stem from a single root cause.

It's the one thing — the only thing — that has not changed since Snyder took ownership

I am not optimistic that the next step will be positive. We had a real chance at that with Shanahan and blew it. I had real hopes that Snyder had learned his lessons, and that it was really Vinny who was to blame for our dysfunction. But I am now convinced I was wrong.

Today is my lowest moment as a Redskins fan that I can remember, because it brings back all of the issues I thought were going or gone years ago. I'm worried they will all come rushing back like they've only been gone for a week.

I've never seen a team beat so badly in a game. I've never seen a personnel situation with so much potential fall apart so pathetically.

Ditto. Snyder has been and will be the problem. The only way he changes his behavior (I doubt he'll ever change the way he thinks) is if the fans "abandon" this franchise. Don't go to games, don't buy tickets, don't buy merchandise. If there is one thing Snyder does care about is money. Make him feel the pain of no shows and no merchandise sales.

[HTTRRG3ALMO]

Wow, this situation devolved very quickly.

It's over. It's done.

The only question now is how Snyder is going to proceed. I doubt he's going to be able to attract a legitimate head coaching candidate, because if he's made one thing clear through 14 years of ownership and 7 head coaches, including a HoFer and another who will be considered for the HoF, it's that the job here is hell.

I am very afraid that we are going to end up with a splash that Snyder hopes will save face. Someone with a proven track record elsewhere but who won't be allowed to actually clean house here and run things according to his style. Gruden is a real possibility. Another splashy college coach is also an option.

No matter who he picks, it's not going to work, though.

We have one problem with this organization. All other problems stem from a single root cause.

It's the one thing — the only thing — that has not changed since Snyder took ownership

I am not optimistic that the next step will be positive. We had a real chance at that with Shanahan and blew it. I had real hopes that Snyder had learned his lessons, and that it was really Vinny who was to blame for our dysfunction. But I am now convinced I was wrong.

Today is my lowest moment as a Redskins fan that I can remember, because it brings back all of the issues I thought were going or gone years ago. I'm worried they will all come rushing back like they've only been gone for a week.

I've never seen a team beat so badly in a game. I've never seen a personnel situation with so much potential fall apart so pathetically.

So now there's spreading the boycott news.

I really don't understand why Snyder just doesn't sell the team. He's made plenty of money here; hand the keys to someone who knows how to run this organization.

That said, who would want to buy this franchise? Its a train wreck. Name controversy, a QB with a media bullseye on his back, players going back and forth with the media. Same goes for coaching here...who would want to with all that's going on?

I won't have peace with this team until Snyder is not the owner anymore.

Ditto. Snyder has been and will be the problem. The only way he changes his behavior (I doubt he'll ever change the way he thinks) is if the fans "abandon" this franchise. Don't go to games, don't buy tickets, don't buy merchandise. If there is one thing Snyder does care about is money. Make him feel the pain of no shows and no merchandise sales.

[Irn-Bru]

It's one of the top 10 most valuable sports franchises in the world. Hugely profitable. If Snyder wanted to sell, he'd have a buyer.

[HTTRRG3ALMO]

It's one of the top 10 most valuable sports franchises in the world. Hugely profitable. If Snyder wanted to sell, he'd have a buyer.

Let's hope if that does happen we don't get stuck with a Snyder 2.0. Can you imagine missing Snyder? ..........

[StorminMormon86]

Funny how people are quick to blame Shanahan, even after this information has come out. Now I admit, I did place the blame squarely on him (foolishly thinking that Snyder did in fact stay out of meddling in the football side of the team). But now there's no doubt in my mind we have another Zorn-Portis-Snyder rift with Shanahan-Griffin-Snyder. I even read that after the Cleveland Browns game last year, Snyder completely walked right by Kirk Cousins, didn't even acknowledge the guy existed, and walked right over to Griffin and began to fawn over him. That really po'ed Shanny.

[riggofan]

Funny how people are quick to blame Shanahan, even after this information has come out. Now I admit, I did place the blame squarely on him (foolishly thinking that Snyder did in fact stay out of meddling in the football side of the team). But now there's no doubt in my mind we have another Zorn-Portis-Snyder rift with Shanahan-Griffin-Snyder. I even read that after the Cleveland Browns game last year, Snyder completely walked right by Kirk Cousins, didn't even acknowledge the guy existed, and walked right over to Griffin and began to fawn over him. That really po'ed Shanny.

Its funny man, because I've been a Shanahan defender. But I'm just not buying into all of this sniping. "Snyder walked completely by Kirk Cousins..." It sounds so freaking petty. What does that have to do with the 45-10 *** whipping the Chiefs just laid on you? You know what I mean?

I know you probably agree with me about that. My point is it that it really looks like Shanahan is trying to shift the blame on Snyder for all of this, and I'm not sure I buy it.

[Kilmer72]

Funny how people are quick to blame Shanahan, even after this information has come out. Now I admit, I did place the blame squarely on him (foolishly thinking that Snyder did in fact stay out of meddling in the football side of the team). But now there's no doubt in my mind we have another Zorn-Portis-Snyder rift with Shanahan-Griffin-Snyder. I even read that after the Cleveland Browns game last year, Snyder completely walked right by Kirk Cousins, didn't even acknowledge the guy existed, and walked right over to Griffin and began to fawn over him. That really po'ed Shanny.

Its funny man, because I've been a Shanahan defender. But I'm just not buying into all of this sniping. "Snyder walked completely by Kirk Cousins..." It sounds so freaking petty. What does that have to do with the 45-10 *** whipping the Chiefs just laid on you? You know what I mean?

I know you probably agree with me about that. My point is it that it really looks like Shanahan is trying to shift the blame on Snyder for all of this, and I'm not sure I buy it.

+1 You hit the nail on the head Rigofan

[markshark84]

I've been saying Snyder has more to do with this than most believe for some time on here. Snyder is at the root of the problem; he always has and always will. He doesn't know how to be "hands off", no matter how much he wants to make it appear that way. And I don't think that MS is trying to say Snyder is the issue; but when it comes to Snyder -- history just keeps repeating itself over and over and over again. We keep seeing the same Danny failures happen again and again.

First Norv couldn't coach, then Schott was a control freak, then the old ball coach couldn't get the NFL, then people were saying Gibbs was over-the-hill (which the people that said it now deny.......), then Zorn was an idiot, and now MS has some issue. It's always the coach, but never the owner.........

JKC (a great owner) had majority ownership for the skins for 25 years -- during that time he had 5 HCs. Meanwhile Snyder has had majority for 14 and has burned thru 7 HCs (soon to be a total of 8 HCs). MS is NOT the problem; he is just another in a long list of issues spurned by Danny boy.

[StorminMormon86]

Funny how people are quick to blame Shanahan, even after this information has come out. Now I admit, I did place the blame squarely on him (foolishly thinking that Snyder did in fact stay out of meddling in the football side of the team). But now there's no doubt in my mind we have another Zorn-Portis-Snyder rift with Shanahan-Griffin-Snyder. I even read that after the Cleveland Browns game last year, Snyder completely walked right by Kirk Cousins, didn't even acknowledge the guy existed, and walked right over to Griffin and began to fawn over him. That really po'ed Shanny.

Its funny man, because I've been a Shanahan defender. But I'm just not buying into all of this sniping. "Snyder walked completely by Kirk Cousins..." It sounds so freaking petty. What does that have to do with the 45-10 *** whipping the Chiefs just laid on you? You know what I mean?

I know you probably agree with me about that. My point is it that it really looks like Shanahan is trying to shift the blame on Snyder for all of this, and I'm not sure I buy it.

I think there's obviously much, much more to the story than whats being let out. But yeah, I do agree that Snyder dissing Cousins isn't what caused the whoppin' yesterday, but it still would cause a rift in the locker room if he's showing preferential treatment to Griffin.