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Monday night’s game wasn’t the only Week 11 contest that ended with a play from the 18 yard line. And an equally potent controversy could emerge from it, albeit belatedly.

Lost in the not-so-subtle shots fired by Washington quarterback Robert Griffin III at the coaching staff after the 24-16 loss to Philly was an effort by Griffin to lay some blame for the failed final play to his teammates.

“We had a certain concept with running and nobody got open so I was backing up, and in the situation where you get a sack there, it ends the game,” Griffin said of the final effort to score a touchdown that, with a two-point conversion, would have forced overtime. “I was trying to throw the ball to the back of the end zone. It didn’t get to where I wanted it to go.”

On Tuesday, receiver Santana Moss took exception to Griffin’s remarks.

“As a leader, you understand that if you’re involved in the situation, whether you’re the receiver, the quarterback, the guys making the tackle, whoever. Regardless of the outcome, good or bad, you have to at some point, stand up and say me or I,” Moss told LaVar Arrington and Chad Dukes of 106.7 The Fan in D.C.

“If we’re going to win games, we need to win games with our guy saying, ‘At the end of the day, I didn’t make a play,’ regardless of if it wasn’t him. And that’s how I feel. Because that’s what we’re out there to do. I’m not sitting here to tell you why it didn’t happen, or who didn’t make the play for me to make a play. If I’m the guy, that’s at the end of the day have the ball in my hand, and we’re sitting there and the game is over because of me, I didn’t do enough to make the play. I didn’t do enough to help us win. And that’s what I would do.”

The issue dusts of the pre-draft concerns about former Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen, who drew criticism during a film session with Jon Gruden by blaming the receiver for an interception.

But Moss didn’t hesitate to indirectly criticize the team’s P.R. staff for failing to help players understand the subtle implications of their public words. (In their defense, the team’s P.R. staff has been very busy mishandling the team’s ongoing name controversy.)

“[There] should be someone who’s doing whatever they’re doing for us, when it comes down to us doing these interviews, needs to step up and talk to the guys that’s doing these interviews, to know what to say and when to say it,” Moss said. “Because I don’t feel like it’s being said enough, and it’s getting tiring.”

Moss then made his point, respectfully but clearly.

“I don’t need to be going back and forth in the media about who didn’t do this and who didn’t do what,” Moss said. “At the end of the day, I was seen with the ball in my hand last, as a quarterback I’m saying, and if it didn’t get done then I’m going to let you know it was me. Whether it was me or not. It was me. And I’m going to get better. And we’re going to get better together.”

That’s possibly the best advice anyone could give Griffin. Let’s see moving forward if he takes it to heart.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/19/santana-moss-takes-exception-to-griffins-failure-to-take-blame/
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Moss has been a great Redskin. He doesn't normally throw people under the buss. He had to say it. I don't blame him. Robert will learn. He better. His teammates in college thought he was
a bit of a pre madonna also. I think someone (coaches) eventually will handle Robert. We are losing. People are pointing fingers. The coaches are losing the locker room. Winning could change that if this staff gets another year and I hope they do minus JH.
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someone needs to step up.

unfortunately it has to be the guy who might not even be here next year...

need a young leader to step up asap.
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Speaking of Moss...what's gotten into him this year? He's doesn't have those sure hands suddenly
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While I do generally agree with Moss, I think the whole recieving core, with the exception of Garcon and Reed have plain stunk this year. Santana all of a sudden can't catch a cold, and I know RGIII has thrown the ball too high on many occasions but I have seen Moss drop how many passes that where in his hands for no reason this year. Hankerson has been the third best reciever but Morgan, Robinson they have stunk. Paulsen too has dropped alot of balls and why Kyle and Mike didn't place Davis and Reed together in packages shows me how inept they are. I am sure all the fame RGIII got last year went to his head, after all he is young and I have noticed the amount of I's he uses when they win or the amount of WE's used when they lose. Maybe the team doesn't like him, maybe that's why the offensive line has stunk this year, although I think Chester and Polumbus are PATHETIC and should be replaced ASAP. No one knows what's going on, but the media is looking for anything and everything. Between Moss saying this, the comments Garcon has made this year, it does have me wondering if RGIII isn't a cancer and this inept sorry coaching staff is just making it worse.......
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Why is it on the PR staff, Santana? Take RGIII aside and tell him yourself. I don't think Moss should be airing this in public either. He's guilty of the same crap. They need to call a players only meeting and get this stuff worked out in the locker room.
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Deadskins wrote:Why is on the PR staff, Santana? Take RGIII aside and tell him yourself. I don't think Moss should be airing this in public either. He's guilty of the same crap. They need to call a players only meeting and get this stuff worked out in the locker room.


Agreed but this is what happens when dysfunction runs rampant in an organization for over two decades. We have an owner that doesn't know what it takes to be an owner, a GM that will never live up to what his father meant to the Redskins in the 1970's. A HC that is about as inept and arrogant as anyone I have ever seen who continues to live off his past achievements, a OC that has Daddy issues and isn't good at what he does and this goes down the entire ranks of the coaching staff. To players who just want to tow the line and collect a pay check. It's going to take more than a players meeting to fix this dysfunctional bunch.........
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Moss is 100% right in everything he said. Griffin needs to start taking the blame squarely on his shoulders and no one elses.
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StorminMormon86 wrote:Moss is 100% right in everything he said. Griffin needs to start taking the blame squarely on his shoulders and no one elses.

Yes, he is right, but he should be telling this directly to RGIII, not to LaVar.
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I can see where Moss is coming from, but I think he took the first part of what Griffin said too personally to notice what followed:

“We had a certain concept with running and nobody got open so I was backing up, and in the situation where you get a sack there, it ends the game,” Griffin said of the final effort to score a touchdown that, with a two-point conversion, would have forced overtime. “I was trying to throw the ball to the back of the end zone. It didn’t get to where I wanted it to go.”


Griffin says "I tried; I failed." Yeah, he described the whole play and noted that no one was open (which, by the way, was true). So what? Not everyone takes the Belichick approach to interviews, and we already knew that RGIII tends to be open and frank when he speaks.

I don't know what RGIII is like at the facility, in meetings, in practice, etc. Maybe he's not stepping up the way he needs to. Maybe he's a little arrogant and could use a slice of humble pie. But maybe not; I really don't know, and I concede that Moss knows what he's talking about.

However, based on RGIII's and Moss' public comments, I can't say that Moss got this 100% right, either in interpreting Griffin or in the way he went to the media with it instead of to his teammate. On the whole this is another negative step for the team, not a positive one.
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gay4pacman wrote:someone needs to step up.

unfortunately it has to be the guy who might not even be here next year...

need a young leader to step up asap.


Your QB is the leader. No one else besides RGIII needs to step up. Although RGIII said that he made the mistake --- based on Moss' comments, it appears RGIII is beginning to upset some people in the locker room. It appears that even though RGIII made the comment, it wasn't good enough --- which may be the byproduct of bigger issues.

Being a good leader when things are going well is easy ---- but to be a great leader, you have to know how to handle things when they are not. It doesn't appear that RGIII has grasped how to keep a lockeroom focused when things are down.[/quote]
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markshark84 wrote:Being a good leader when things are going well is easy ---- but to be a great leader, you have to know how to handle things when they are not. It doesn't appear that RGIII has grasped how to keep a lockeroom focused when things are down.


He's learning, and will be better for it.
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What scares me the most is that this could be perceived as some sort of dissention in the locker room.
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Irn-Bru wrote:I can see where Moss is coming from, but I think he took the first part of what Griffin said too personally to notice what followed:

“We had a certain concept with running and nobody got open so I was backing up, and in the situation where you get a sack there, it ends the game,” Griffin said of the final effort to score a touchdown that, with a two-point conversion, would have forced overtime. “I was trying to throw the ball to the back of the end zone. It didn’t get to where I wanted it to go.”


Griffin says "I tried; I failed." Yeah, he described the whole play and noted that no one was open (which, by the way, was true). So what? Not everyone takes the Belichick approach to interviews, and we already knew that RGIII tends to be open and frank when he speaks.

I don't know what RGIII is like at the facility, in meetings, in practice, etc. Maybe he's not stepping up the way he needs to. Maybe he's a little arrogant and could use a slice of humble pie. But maybe not; I really don't know, and I concede that Moss knows what he's talking about.

However, based on RGIII's and Moss' public comments, I can't say that Moss got this 100% right, either in interpreting Griffin or in the way he went to the media with it instead of to his teammate. On the whole this is another negative step for the team, not a positive one.


You don't really believe that Griffin was trying to throw that away, do you? His arm is plenty strong enough to have been able to throw that out of the end zone even falling back like he was. I think part of the reason for Moss' comments is that nobody really believes that Griffin was throwing it away, and it just sounds like an excuse.

Mike Jones had an interesting point on Twitter also, saying that Shanahan rarely ever says "I" or "me."
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StorminMormon86 wrote:What scares me the most is that this could be perceived as some sort of dissention in the locker room.


There probably is on the offensive side. Garçon has also made some comments. Defense seems to be united though, based on Merriweather's and Fletcher's comments. Even though that unit struggles more, they seem to have better leaders on that side of the ball.
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StorminMormon86 wrote:Moss is 100% right in everything he said. Griffin needs to start taking the blame squarely on his shoulders and no one elses.

Yes, he is right, but he should be telling this directly to RGIII, not to LaVar.

Well yeah I agree with that. But I also think Griffin should refrain from a lot of his comments in his press conferences that could be misconstrued into something negative. Moss also brought up a good point about having PR people help the younger players in how they answer questions in interviews.
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CanesSkins26 wrote:You don't really believe that Griffin was trying to throw that away, do you?

I don't have a better explanation. It was obviously a bone-headed play either way, but I don't really see reason to think Griffin is lying about it.

His arm is plenty strong enough to have been able to throw that out of the end zone even falling back like he was. I think part of the reason for Moss' comments is that nobody really believes that Griffin was throwing it away, and it just sounds like an excuse.

Dunno. Could be. Too much speculation for me. I didn't hear the interview, but from the comments recorded here it sounds like Moss was really just mad that Griffin even involved the team in his error when he explained it.

Mike Jones had an interesting point on Twitter also, saying that Shanahan rarely ever says "I" or "me."

Meh. Shanahan rarely says anything of substance in a press conference. Every answer he gives goes something like "Well, any time you have a player [content of the question], you have to deal with it."

If Shanahan used "I" instead of an impersonal "you," people would accuse him of having a huge ego because he'd be saying it all the time. He's damned either way, so I don't see anything insightful here.
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Actually folks, Moss AND Garcon pulled RG3 aside and gave him the "Incognito" treatment.. it wasn't a big deal because all three involved were black so no racial comments were made public. (LOL).

Moss- "Dude, why can't you throw?"
RG3- "What? Man you can't catch a cold anymore."
Garcon- "Oh please, you throw like a 10 year old Brett Favre."
Moss- "If it wasn't for us making these crazy catches, Cousins would be starting."
RG3- "Well tell Kyle stop calling garbage plays."
Garcon- "Yes that's it, because on 3rd and 1 it was Kyle who said toss the ball in the air and let's see who catches it."
RG3- *Rolls Eyes* "I was going to run the ball but this brace made me afraid."
Moss- "All in for week 1 my a**"
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Moss/RG3/Moss- "Oh heeeell naw"

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CanesSkins26 wrote:You don't really believe that Griffin was trying to throw that away, do you?

I don't have a better explanation. It was obviously a bone-headed play either way, but I don't really see reason to think Griffin is lying about it.

I didn't read that as him saying he was trying to throw it away. I read it as saying, I threw the ball up and was hoping one of my receivers would make a play for the ball. I think he was saying he put the ball where he wanted it, but no one on the skins even tried for it.
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langleyparkjoe wrote:Actually folks, Moss AND Garcon pulled RG3 aside and gave him the "Incognito" treatment.. it wasn't a big deal because all three involved were black so no racial comments were made public. (LOL).

Moss- "Dude, why can't you throw?"
RG3- "What? Man you can't catch a cold anymore."
Garcon- "Oh please, you throw like a 10 year old Brett Favre."
Moss- "If it wasn't for us making these crazy catches, Cousins would be starting."
RG3- "Well tell Kyle stop calling garbage plays."
Garcon- "Yes that's it, because on 3rd and 1 it was Kyle who said toss the ball in the air and let's see who catches it."
RG3- *Rolls Eyes* "I was going to run the ball but this brace made me afraid."
Moss- "All in for week 1 my a**"
Paulsen walking by- "Sup my ni***z?"
Moss/RG3/Moss- "Oh heeeell naw"

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I do hope these guys all have a sit down and just get everything out of their system. Things are going to go better for us if they can get that "us against the world" mentality again instead of an "us against us" mentality.

. . . and maybe a white guy saying something that unites the three of them wouldn't be such a bad idea. I nominate Larry Michaels to be the sacrificial lamb. :twisted:
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CanesSkins26 wrote:You don't really believe that Griffin was trying to throw that away, do you?

I don't have a better explanation. It was obviously a bone-headed play either way, but I don't really see reason to think Griffin is lying about it.

I didn't read that as him saying he was trying to throw it away. I read it as saying, I threw the ball up and was hoping one of my receivers would make a play for the ball. I think he was saying he put the ball where he wanted it, but no one on the skins even tried for it.

That would be even worse if that's what he meant.
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CanesSkins26 wrote:You don't really believe that Griffin was trying to throw that away, do you?

I don't have a better explanation. It was obviously a bone-headed play either way, but I don't really see reason to think Griffin is lying about it.

I didn't read that as him saying he was trying to throw it away. I read it as saying, I threw the ball up and was hoping one of my receivers would make a play for the ball. I think he was saying he put the ball where he wanted it, but no one on the skins even tried for it.


Then why did he say, it didn't get to where I wanted it to be?
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Irn-Bru wrote:Then why did he say, it didn't get to where I wanted it to be?

He wanted it to be in the hands of his receiver?
He also said he was trying to get it to the back of the endzone, and that's where it was.
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Irn-Bru wrote:Then why did he say, it didn't get to where I wanted it to be?

He wanted it to be in the hands of his receiver?
He also said he was trying to get it to the back of the endzone, and that's where it was.

IMO, that seems like an awkward interpretation of what he said. What he said was:

(1) We had a play we were trying to run, but no one got open
(2) I was backing up [to buy time]
(3) I knew if I took a sack it would end the game
(4) So, I threw it to the back of the end zone, but
(5) It didn't get to where I wanted it to go

To me, the logical progression there is that (4) means he was throwing it somewhere where it wouldn't just be up for grabs, whether he means actually out of the endzone or just far enough that it couldn't easily be intercepted. Then he says the ball didn't get to where he had intended, which sees to imply a place on the field, not whose hands it landed in.
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CanesSkins26 wrote:You don't really believe that Griffin was trying to throw that away, do you? His arm is plenty strong enough to have been able to throw that out of the end zone even falling back like he was.


OK, I just watched the replay a few times. Robert is about to get hit, so with no power from his lower body, moving backwards, and side-armed, he flicks the ball from the 32. The DB jumps to make the INT, but it looks like the ball was going to fall 7-8 yards deep in the endzone. That makes it a 40-yard throw, give or take a yard.

Given the bad mechanics and that he was moving backwards, it doesn't seem like a stretch at all to say he didn't get the power he should have (and wanted to) and was 4-5 yards short of getting it safely out. No smoking gun there, IMHO.

But he may have been hoping to hit a WR. The overhead replay shows a gap in the middle of the field where he might have thought Garcon was going to successfully run and get just enough separation. It wouldn't surprise me if his actual thought process was that he wanted to get it very near the back of the end zone, giving Garcon a chance to grab it but keeping it away from DBs. He was inaccurate by being short and to the right if that's the case, but I could see that.

Given that he didn't say "I was trying to throw it out" but "I was trying to get it to the back of the endzone," there might be something there. But if so, it looks like he was trying to throw it where either Garcon or nobody would be able to get it — essentially throwing it away while leaving just enough room for Garcon to do something miraculous.

Whatever he wanted to do, it's clear that he failed in execution, but either way I don't think he was lying with what he said to the media.
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