What Happened???

[chiefhog44]

What happened was that we lost a game we should have won. Very disappointing. We now have the feeling like we did 5 years ago under Zorn. A new low. What happened was that we lost a game that now forces us us to evaulate the COACHES. and why not? Do you think they should be given a pass for the salary cap penalty? Who was ultimately responsible for that? Shanny and Allen. Pass for the lack of talent on defense? Again Shanny and Allen. No first round pick this year or next? You guessed it...Shanny and Allen. The special Teams Coordinator and maybe even Haslett needs to be fired if we don't end the season going 5-2. The punt fake was almost as bad as the swinging gate (or whatever it was a call). That's what happened.

[EA7649]

Few things I want to add other than being inconsistent, which has to be solved than we can be a contender. We will have more cap space next year, hopefully the defensive players will improve and we can fill in the wholes through the draft and FA. If a better defensive coordinator is available sign him.

Once I see consistency, I will regain hope. Beat the teams your supposed to beat. We have a lot of division games still.


Plus side I the Jordan Reed is going to be a really good offensive tight end. Lowers cap room without Davis.

Just thought if were out of playoff contention in December. Have Kirk Cousins start and have him audition for teams and get a 1st or 2nd round draft pick for him (this is not realistic though) lol.

[ACW]

I am sorry but any moron on this board trying to give any credit to this defense is a retard and doesn't know jack about football. The fact is simply this, Jim Haslett was fired in New Orleans, fired again in St. Louis was hired here where the defense he took over was a defense ranked at number 4 in the league. Red Lobster instructs this fool to switch to a 3-4 and every since this defense has been rated between 28th and the 31st ranked defense. So any one here trying to credit Haslett, his play calling or anything else is one of the reasons why Daniel Snyder laughs all the way to the bank and allows this pathetic product that has been fielded for far too long. Lastly again last year was a fluke because as I have said too many times even a broken clock is right twice a day, one would figure that one division win in 20 years would eventually happen. Sorry again we have the talent but we have a lack of urgency, no desire to destroy a team and the offensive playcalling is beyond retarded. I would love to see what a Sean Payton led offense and a Ryan led defense would be like with this roster...........

Retard? Really? And Haz did a damn fine job the end of last season.

[DaSkinz Baby]

Few things I want to add other than being inconsistent, which has to be solved than we can be a contender. We will have more cap space next year, hopefully the defensive players will improve and we can fill in the wholes through the draft and FA. If a better defensive coordinator is available sign him.

Once I see consistency, I will regain hope. Beat the teams your supposed to beat. We have a lot of division games still.


Plus side I the Jordan Reed is going to be a really good offensive tight end. Lowers cap room without Davis.

Just thought if were out of playoff contention in December. Have Kirk Cousins start and have him audition for teams and get a 1st or 2nd round draft pick for him (this is not realistic though) lol.

EA7649 for the life of me can you please explain your thought process? in the 4 years Shanahan has been here what has he done to merit another year? What has Haslett, Burns or any other coach on this staff done to merit more time? This type of things that has gone on is what you expect from a new coach, not someone that is supposed to be some offensive guru genius. In life one thing that a mature person learns, processes and understands is you don't fix what isn't broken. Shanahan did that with the 4th rated defense the first year coming here. That is but one issue that for me can't be swept under the rug, Cap gate is another issue. Now as my "third" strike after last year, to be this far into the season and not take play calling away from that downed syndrome Forrest Gump looking son of his is the last straw that broke this camels back. This team will not get any better FACT, we need a young coaching staff that has a kill first mentality on the field, not some arrogant butt whiffs who use the same memo week after week talking about practicing to get better, you can practice 24 by 7 but if the teachers or the coaches are crap, then you field what is learned and taught. All these people on here screaming for Cousins, screaming for players, IT'S NOT THE PLAYERS ITS THE COACHING STAFF and last night pretty much nails that FACT in the coffin of the 2013 season.......

[DaSkinz Baby]

I am sorry but any moron on this board trying to give any credit to this defense is a retard and doesn't know jack about football. The fact is simply this, Jim Haslett was fired in New Orleans, fired again in St. Louis was hired here where the defense he took over was a defense ranked at number 4 in the league. Red Lobster instructs this fool to switch to a 3-4 and every since this defense has been rated between 28th and the 31st ranked defense. So any one here trying to credit Haslett, his play calling or anything else is one of the reasons why Daniel Snyder laughs all the way to the bank and allows this pathetic product that has been fielded for far too long. Lastly again last year was a fluke because as I have said too many times even a broken clock is right twice a day, one would figure that one division win in 20 years would eventually happen. Sorry again we have the talent but we have a lack of urgency, no desire to destroy a team and the offensive playcalling is beyond retarded. I would love to see what a Sean Payton led offense and a Ryan led defense would be like with this roster...........

Retard? Really? And Haz did a damn fine job the end of last season.

I am sorry but any moron on this board trying to give any credit to this defense is a retard and doesn't know jack about football. The fact is simply this, Jim Haslett was fired in New Orleans, fired again in St. Louis was hired here where the defense he took over was a defense ranked at number 4 in the league. Red Lobster instructs this fool to switch to a 3-4 and every since this defense has been rated between 28th and the 31st ranked defense. So any one here trying to credit Haslett, his play calling or anything else is one of the reasons why Daniel Snyder laughs all the way to the bank and allows this pathetic product that has been fielded for far too long. Lastly again last year was a fluke because as I have said too many times even a broken clock is right twice a day, one would figure that one division win in 20 years would eventually happen. Sorry again we have the talent but we have a lack of urgency, no desire to destroy a team and the offensive playcalling is beyond retarded. I would love to see what a Sean Payton led offense and a Ryan led defense would be like with this roster...........

Retard? Really? And Haz did a damn fine job the end of last season.

ACW RETARDED REALLY!! Glad you think that being ranked 31st is a damn fine job! You sir are one of the many things wrong with the mentality of Redskin faithful but after watching this pathetic excuse for a coaching staff and having the COLD STIFF FACT of knowing we were a 4th ranked defense the year Shanny and Haslett got here to be consistently ranked between 28 and 31 doesn't show that being a damn fine job. Both of them still being here is like a parent that rewards bad behavior. The thought process and reasoning of some people amaze me.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I can blame both the offense and the defense and that's exactly what I'm going to do.

The offense scored 3 points in the second half, that's not going to cut it.
The defense couldn't stop a runaway tricycle.

I don't take issue with blaming either side, it's the lopsided nature of the criticisms that make my skin crawl. Just like when people blame Kyle for not running the ball but RGIII misses an open receiver. Let's paint and discuss the picture in it's entirety.

[oneman56]

I can blame both the offense and the defense and that's exactly what I'm going to do.

The offense scored 3 points in the second half, that's not going to cut it.
The defense couldn't stop a runaway tricycle.

I don't take issue with blaming either side, it's the lopsided nature of the criticisms that make my skin crawl. Just like when people blame Kyle for not running the ball but RGIII misses an open receiver. Let's paint and discuss the picture in it's entirety.

I can't agree with this. Yes, the offense only scored 3 points and yes they could've done better. Regardless, this loss is on the defense! They let a 13 point lead evaporate, didn't force a single punt and had zero QB sacks in the 2nd half against a team with back-up 0-linemen, a back-up TE and poor QB/back-up QB tandem. As someone else stated Ponder's rating was 30 points higher than any other game this year, explain that? You win as a team and lose as a team, I get that but the offense has bailed the defense out, as recently as the Bears and the Chargers game. At some point, the D has to do the same and it's incapable of it. Good teams have balance and we have none but our offense is way ahead of our defense. We're one of the best rushing teams in the league and our PPG is adequate, it's the defense that for years now has been behind the offense. You cannot expect the offense to score on every drive and you have to be balanced, the offense did enough to win the game last night and the defense did not! I'll agree to disagree with you and storminmormin on this one. I blame the defense and haslett for last nights loss followed by questionable calls (to put it nicely). The offense is the last place i'll put blame.

[EA7649]

Few things I want to add other than being inconsistent, which has to be solved than we can be a contender. We will have more cap space next year, hopefully the defensive players will improve and we can fill in the wholes through the draft and FA. If a better defensive coordinator is available sign him.

Once I see consistency, I will regain hope. Beat the teams your supposed to beat. We have a lot of division games still.


Plus side I the Jordan Reed is going to be a really good offensive tight end. Lowers cap room without Davis.

Just thought if were out of playoff contention in December. Have Kirk Cousins start and have him audition for teams and get a 1st or 2nd round draft pick for him (this is not realistic though) lol.

EA7649 for the life of me can you please explain your thought process? in the 4 years Shanahan has been here what has he done to merit another year? What has Haslett, Burns or any other coach on this staff done to merit more time? This type of things that has gone on is what you expect from a new coach, not someone that is supposed to be some offensive guru genius. In life one thing that a mature person learns, processes and understands is you don't fix what isn't broken. Shanahan did that with the 4th rated defense the first year coming here. That is but one issue that for me can't be swept under the rug, Cap gate is another issue. Now as my "third" strike after last year, to be this far into the season and not take play calling away from that downed syndrome Forrest Gump looking son of his is the last straw that broke this camels back. This team will not get any better FACT, we need a young coaching staff that has a kill first mentality on the field, not some arrogant butt whiffs who use the same memo week after week talking about practicing to get better, you can practice 24 by 7 but if the teachers or the coaches are crap, then you field what is learned and taught. All these people on here screaming for Cousins, screaming for players, IT'S NOT THE PLAYERS ITS THE COACHING STAFF and last night pretty much nails that FACT in the coffin of the 2013 season.......

We have wholes in the defense like defensive backs. I didn't really say much about Shanahans ability to coach with my post. I said if there is a better defensive coach available sign him. Shanahan has been alright coach, but I think his son has been a better offensive coordinator than his dad as a coach. But I mostly agree with what you said, but we do have wholes in the team with players skills and not being penalized 18million of cap space will be a good thing. And I was saying play Cousins if we are out of playoff contention to get him for a high draft pick, than sign another decent quarterback this draft. If we are in playoff contention than of course play RG3.

[Countertrey]

I'm serious here; I went to bed at halftime... How'd we lose?

You went to bed at halftime. You stay up, we win that game.

You have broken the code!

[Countertrey]

I can blame both the offense and the defense and that's exactly what I'm going to do.

The offense scored 3 points in the second half, that's not going to cut it.
The defense couldn't stop a runaway tricycle.

I don't take issue with blaming either side, it's the lopsided nature of the criticisms that make my skin crawl. Just like when people blame Kyle for not running the ball but RGIII misses an open receiver. Let's paint and discuss the picture in it's entirety.

You said in another thread that folks were misreading your statements about Bob... yet, here it is again... Bob played a very good game last night, and his stats back it up. No one passes that many times without missing a few... Fact... O line sucked. Fact... D couldn't stop a snail at 1/2 gallop... but, the other facts are Bob played a very nice game (including an excellent read and audible that resulted in Garcon's touchdown, and an excellent job of playing the DB that yielded Reed's touchdown... AND... Kyle called a very nice game.

[welch]

I've got no serious answer. Numbers say that the Redskins scored about 3 points in 2H and the Other Team scored about 20. Not yet good enough on offense and defense. My instinct says that this is a 7 - 9 or 8 - 8 team and "wait till next year". Painful, and I'm impatient. I expected a rollout on the last couple of plays, but the game should not have come to that.

[Countertrey]

I've got no serious answer. Numbers say that the Redskins scored about 3 points in 2H and the Other Team scored about 20. Not yet good enough on offense and defense. My instinct says that this is a 7 - 9 or 8 - 8 team and "wait till next year". Painful, and I'm impatient. I expected a rollout on the last couple of plays, but the game should not have come to that.

Of COURSE you're impatient... you're old as hell!

[StorminMormon86]

I can blame both the offense and the defense and that's exactly what I'm going to do.

The offense scored 3 points in the second half, that's not going to cut it.
The defense couldn't stop a runaway tricycle.

I don't take issue with blaming either side, it's the lopsided nature of the criticisms that make my skin crawl. Just like when people blame Kyle for not running the ball but RGIII misses an open receiver. Let's paint and discuss the picture in it's entirety.

You said in another thread that folks were misreading your statements about Bob... yet, here it is again... Bob played a very good game last night, and his stats back it up. No one passes that many times without missing a few... Fact... O line sucked. Fact... D couldn't stop a snail at 1/2 gallop... but, the other facts are Bob played a very nice game (including an excellent read and audible that resulted in Garcon's touchdown, and an excellent job of playing the DB that yielded Reed's touchdown... AND... Kyle called a very nice game.

I think his point was that Kyle gets all of the blame after a loss and Griffin is absolved from any wrongdoing. But if we win there's not one mention of how great of a game Kyle called on offense. Yes Griffin did have an awesome game in the first half. He got murdered in the 2nd half.

[Irn-Bru]

What happened was that we lost a game we should have won. Very disappointing. We now have the feeling like we did 5 years ago under Zorn. A new low. What happened was that we lost a game that now forces us us to evaulate the COACHES. and why not? Do you think they should be given a pass for the salary cap penalty? Who was ultimately responsible for that? Shanny and Allen.

Shanny and Allen are responsible for a contract Vinny Cerrato wrote and which the league unjustly and unfairly punished us for?

News to me. I'd be interested to hear your thinking on this point.

Pass for the lack of talent on defense? Again Shanny and Allen.

I think the salary cap penalty bears a large part of the blame here. If you don't think $36 million matters, well, OK, but I do.

No first round pick this year or next? You guessed it...Shanny and Allen.

You seem to think this is blameworthy. What that means is that you wish we didn't have RGIII on the team. What's your backup plan? I suppose you'l say something like "I would have drafted Russell Wilson," but somehow I doubt you were quite as eagle-eyed in 2011. Maybe you've got a post you can drag up to prove me wrong, though. I'm happy to give credit where it is due.

Give me RGIII. I don't think that was a bad trade, given that we didn't get lucky like the Colts or the Seahawks. The Browns, who lost out on the chance to trade even though they would have given more than us, ended up with a horrendous draft. Who would we have gotten instead? Tannehill? (God forbid) Weeden?

The special Teams Coordinator and maybe even Haslett needs to be fired if we don't end the season going 5-2. The punt fake was almost as bad as the swinging gate (or whatever it was a call). That's what happened.

Agreed that our special teams are a total mess. Perhaps Danny Smith wasn't as bad as we all thought, and he was in fact keeping his finger in the dike to prevent a total disaster.

I love Rocca, but he's no longer serviceable. I love Cobra Kai, but I just don't think he has the power to make it in this league. Sucks that we need to replace both positions. One of these days we'll hit the lottery with our random signings.

I also agree that Haslett needs to go. Yes, he hasn't had the talent to work with, but we really should have seen more from him by now.

[Irn-Bru]

I've got no serious answer. Numbers say that the Redskins scored about 3 points in 2H and the Other Team scored about 20. Not yet good enough on offense and defense. My instinct says that this is a 7 - 9 or 8 - 8 team and "wait till next year". Painful, and I'm impatient. I expected a rollout on the last couple of plays, but the game should not have come to that.

Of COURSE you're impatient... you're old as hell!

The bullying never stops, does it . . .

I keep telling you, 'Trey, you'll never get that milk money back. It's gone.

[SkinsJock]

we have shown some promise this season but it's not been consistent ..

we lost to a team that we could have easily beaten and we did lose this game, the Vikings did not exactly win it
the whole team (coaches & players) let everyone down, big time - not good enough on both sides of the ball - you cannot ONLY score 3 against that bunch in the second half - why were we not ramming the ball down their throat and why was Ponder and stupid Cassel looking like all pros out there?

last week we played 'better' than the Chargers and we almost lost that game

we should be seeing more from our coaches and players this season - this is actually a better group than the team that won the NFC East

very disappointing to see Robert having the issues he's having in going through this transition to become a more rounded QB but that being said we do have talent on both sides of the ball and things are not going well

I don't know who is primarily at fault here but it would seem that the coaches have got to get their act together because the players are 'staying" and there are a bunch of them that we should be seeing better play from

I'm not advocating firing Haslett or anyone - the coaches need to find a way to get things together because ultimately they are responsible for getting more out of the players - that's just a fact of life in the NFL

I know we were badly strapped by the cap hit but at the same time we have a better group of both players and coaches than last season and we're not seeing it

[Kilmer72]

IMO Hasletts biggest deficiency is making adjustments on the fly. He is no Gregg Williams. He sometimes has good game plans. Then there are those games that the opposing offense adjusts and he has no answer. Special teams is another story. Our offense is just fine as long as they do not deviate from what is working or what we do best. You can't run the ball every down, but that doesn't mean forget about it either. Life is so much easier for the QB when you can run the ball.

[Countertrey]

I've got no serious answer. Numbers say that the Redskins scored about 3 points in 2H and the Other Team scored about 20. Not yet good enough on offense and defense. My instinct says that this is a 7 - 9 or 8 - 8 team and "wait till next year". Painful, and I'm impatient. I expected a rollout on the last couple of plays, but the game should not have come to that.

Of COURSE you're impatient... you're old as hell!

The bullying never stops, does it . . .

I keep telling you, 'Trey, you'll never get that milk money back. It's gone.

It's not bullying if you're simply stating facts! ... and, I'm expecting 2 cents to show up in my mailbox at any time... yes, milk was very expensive in the '50's...

[chiefhog44]

What happened was that we lost a game we should have won. Very disappointing. We now have the feeling like we did 5 years ago under Zorn. A new low. What happened was that we lost a game that now forces us us to evaulate the COACHES. and why not? Do you think they should be given a pass for the salary cap penalty? Who was ultimately responsible for that? Shanny and Allen.

Shanny and Allen are responsible for a contract Vinny Cerrato wrote and which the league unjustly and unfairly punished us for?

News to me. I'd be interested to hear your thinking on this point.

Pass for the lack of talent on defense? Again Shanny and Allen.

I think the salary cap penalty bears a large part of the blame here. If you don't think $36 million matters, well, OK, but I do.

No first round pick this year or next? You guessed it...Shanny and Allen.

You seem to think this is blameworthy. What that means is that you wish we didn't have RGIII on the team. What's your backup plan? I suppose you'l say something like "I would have drafted Russell Wilson," but somehow I doubt you were quite as eagle-eyed in 2011. Maybe you've got a post you can drag up to prove me wrong, though. I'm happy to give credit where it is due.

Give me RGIII. I don't think that was a bad trade, given that we didn't get lucky like the Colts or the Seahawks. The Browns, who lost out on the chance to trade even though they would have given more than us, ended up with a horrendous draft. Who would we have gotten instead? Tannehill? (God forbid) Weeden?

The special Teams Coordinator and maybe even Haslett needs to be fired if we don't end the season going 5-2. The punt fake was almost as bad as the swinging gate (or whatever it was a call). That's what happened.

Agreed that our special teams are a total mess. Perhaps Danny Smith wasn't as bad as we all thought, and he was in fact keeping his finger in the dike to prevent a total disaster.

I love Rocca, but he's no longer serviceable. I love Cobra Kai, but I just don't think he has the power to make it in this league. Sucks that we need to replace both positions. One of these days we'll hit the lottery with our random signings.

I also agree that Haslett needs to go. Yes, he hasn't had the talent to work with, but we really should have seen more from him by now.

They tried to frontload the contracts of both Hanesworth (and I believe Hall) to accelerate their contracts in a year that was deemed to have an unspoken salary cap. I agree that we got hosed, but this has been upheld by the league, the union, and the courts, so ultimately, I think the blame rests on the person or people in this case, that were trying to "work" the system. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though. This would then be carried over to the lack of talent on the defense since I hear people say, well, we had a salary cap hit of 36 million so we suck on defense. Not having 1st round picks also can not be used as an excuse as they were the ones that gave them away.

Simply put, when are these coaches going to be judged on their work and have no more excuses???

[Countertrey]

They tried to frontload the contracts of both Hanesworth (and I believe Hall) to accelerate their contracts in a year that was deemed to have an unspoken salary cap. I agree that we got hosed, but this has been upheld by the league, the union, and the courts, so ultimately, I think the blame rests on the person or people in this case, that were trying to "work" the system. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though. This would then be carried over to the lack of talent on the defense since I hear people say, well, we had a salary cap hit of 36 million so we suck on defense. Not having 1st round picks also can not be used as an excuse as they were the ones that gave them away.

Simply put, when are these coaches going to be judged on their work and have no more excuses???

If you want to make this argument, at least be honest about it... The league signed off, because it's corrupt. The union signed off... and has since made statements that suggest regrets... they screwed up. The courts have NOT ruled on the merits of this event... the master simply said that he has no jurisdiction in this matter. Snyder did not take it further, because that would risk killing the golden goose... and possibly cause the loss of antitrust protections the league (and Snyder) currently enjoys.

[Irn-Bru]

They tried to frontload the contracts of both Hanesworth (and I believe Hall) to accelerate their contracts in a year that was deemed to have an unspoken salary cap.

I still have no idea what you're talking about. Albert Haynesworth and DeAngelo Hall were signed to the offending contracts in February 2009. Mike Shanahan was named head coach of the Skins in January 2010.

Vinny Cerrato and the Redskins FO at the time structured the Haynesworth/Hall deals to put the majority of the money in the uncapped year.

. . . But you want to pin the blame on Shanahan and Allen?

I agree that we got hosed, but this has been upheld by the league, the union, and the courts,

CT already knocked this out of the park, but I'll add one thing: the players' union didn't side with the Redskins because it was part of the new bargaining agreement that they wouldn't question the League on matters like these. (The NFLPA agreed to this in order to avoid a lower cap.)

So we've got Mara-Goodell ruling that the Skins broke an unwritten rule, the players' union having their hands tied by the NFL, and a court saying they couldn't make a ruling because it wasn't their jurisdiction. Hardly a ringing endorsement of the penalty.

so ultimately, I think the blame rests on the person or people in this case, that were trying to "work" the system. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though.

Do you realize yet that this means you can't blame Shanahan/Allen for it, by your own logic?

This would then be carried over to the lack of talent on the defense since I hear people say, well, we had a salary cap hit of 36 million so we suck on defense. Not having 1st round picks also can not be used as an excuse as they were the ones that gave them away.

They did not "give them away," they traded them for RGIII. You are trying to have this both ways, so I'd like you to choose one. Which is it: RGIII, or draft picks? You can't say it was a mistake to trade them away without also saying that drafting RGIII was a mistake. And if RGIII is not your QB, whom would you say we should have acquired?

Simply put, when are these coaches going to be judged on their work and have no more excuses???

I'm happy to judge Shanahan and Allen (and the rest) for their work. But the charges you brought against them largely fall flat. You've got some good things to say about the lack of talent on defense, bad coaching on defense, and the special teams mess, but everything else is contrary to the facts.

[riggofan]

They tried to frontload the contracts of both Hanesworth (and I believe Hall) to accelerate their contracts in a year that was deemed to have an unspoken salary cap. I agree that we got hosed, but this has been upheld by the league, the union, and the courts, so ultimately, I think the blame rests on the person or people in this case, that were trying to "work" the system. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though. This would then be carried over to the lack of talent on the defense since I hear people say, well, we had a salary cap hit of 36 million so we suck on defense. Not having 1st round picks also can not be used as an excuse as they were the ones that gave them away.

I don't think there is any arguing that point. But if they hadn't tried to game the contract system, wouldn't we still have been in salary cap hell because of the existing Hall and Haynesworth contracts?

Simply put, when are these coaches going to be judged on their work and have no more excuses???

I am judging them on their work, and personally I think the fact that they've done as well as they have in these circumstances and after having to repair the mess made by Cerrato and Snyder is INCREDIBLE. I'd just really like to see them have at least one season with a decent young roster (which we really do have) and the same type of cap flexibility most teams have to make a few moves and not have to start the season trying to make the best of it.

[SkinsJock]

This franchise won the NFC East last season …

since that time we have IMO upgraded the franchise a little with players returning from injury and the coaching staff is basically the same (a new ST coordinator)

why are we not seeing a better product on the field?

simply put - if there is not 'improvement' OVER THE WHOLE SEASON, then I would expect changes to be made by the FO

coincidently, we're at the same place we were last season where Mike let everyone know that coaches AND players were going to be evaluated based on their contribution from the next 7 games

I'm looking forward to these coaches and players showing that they can do a lot better than they have

[Kilmer72]

They tried to frontload the contracts of both Hanesworth (and I believe Hall) to accelerate their contracts in a year that was deemed to have an unspoken salary cap. I agree that we got hosed, but this has been upheld by the league, the union, and the courts, so ultimately, I think the blame rests on the person or people in this case, that were trying to "work" the system. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though. This would then be carried over to the lack of talent on the defense since I hear people say, well, we had a salary cap hit of 36 million so we suck on defense. Not having 1st round picks also can not be used as an excuse as they were the ones that gave them away.

I don't think there is any arguing that point. But if they hadn't tried to game the contract system, wouldn't we still have been in salary cap hell because of the existing Hall and Haynesworth contracts?

Simply put, when are these coaches going to be judged on their work and have no more excuses???

I am judging them on their work, and personally I think the fact that they've done as well as they have in these circumstances and after having to repair the mess made by Cerrato and Snyder is INCREDIBLE. I'd just really like to see them have at least one season with a decent young roster (which we really do have) and the same type of cap flexibility most teams have to make a few moves and not have to start the season trying to make the best of it.

Yeah, I wanted to say that too. Either way we were screwed. Seeing as it was a no cap year I don't blame the Skins or Cowboys for trying. The part that gets me is when you make an example of someone or someones, and others didn't take part in the collusion, then why for Gods sake did they only have to put hurt on two teams? Answer = Mara. It's the good ole boys club and if you aren't part of the group, then YOU MUST OBEY SLAVE.

[brad7686]

The problem with the offense is that the entire offensive line aside from Trent are people other teams decided couldn't pass block well enough to play in the NFL. Rg3 is not an immobile quarterback. It just goes to show you how bad they get dominated on pass plays. So they better run and do the option plays because they aren't gonna have any time. That's what happened the last two losses, they were running smart quick plays and switched to plays that they can't block.

The defense just sucks and they need to fire Haslett, add new personnel, and possibly switch the scheme back.