Redskins at Mile High Post Game

[(d)oink]

It was Kyle who abandoned the run game.
It was Kyle who repeatedly called 2 man patterns looking for home runs... with receivers who couldn't get open.
It was Kyle who asked undersized O-line men to pass protect with no threat of running... no play action... no intelligent use of a run game.

Griffin missed some reads... but that's not what cost this game. It was a pathetic OC who abandoned the only chance this team had to win when he the game was still in reach.

Agree with this. Mike needs to put Kyle over his knee for this one. Pathetic.

[Kilmer72]

This one is on RG3. He made poor decisions today. Dont nobody say our receivers arent gettin open either cause they are enough for us to make plays he just targeting the wrong guy on the first read. Seen several plays where guys were open and he still locked in on a guy.

What the great qbs do is distribute the ball evenly across the field and he hasnt been doin that this year.

To his defense he hasnt had enuff time or pocket to go to the 2nd, 3rd reads.....but he isnt feeling the game enuff to make the 1st read.

The offseason being missed hurt him.

Lotta good stuff here. Every sentence pretty tight.

I agree with most of what you say mastdark except for when the receivers are getting open they don't catch the ball and even if the ball is off great receivers adjust and make the catches. We just need another receiver besides Garcon to step it up consistently. Morgan is a great blocker but has trouble getting open(except for that nice wheel route which I still dunno how Bob missed)

Hank seems to have a good game and then disappears the next.

I love Aldrick's speed but his route running needs to continue to improve and he easily has the shakiest mitts of the whole core.

Santana should be a mismatch in the slot but he's disappeared and becoming increasingly unreliable(dropped that TD and Reed's emergence in the slot)

I just hope we can go back and get some of that positivity from last week. Use that run game to set up the PA and make the plays.

Yep and also last year we had play action. This year our running game although effective is abandoned. You can't threaten to do something if you give up on it when it is working.

[Countertrey]

This one is on RG3. He made poor decisions today. Dont nobody say our receivers arent gettin open either cause they are enough for us to make plays he just targeting the wrong guy on the first read. Seen several plays where guys were open and he still locked in on a guy.

What the great qbs do is distribute the ball evenly across the field and he hasnt been doin that this year.

To his defense he hasnt had enuff time or pocket to go to the 2nd, 3rd reads.....but he isnt feeling the game enuff to make the 1st read.

The offseason being missed hurt him.

Bob was not good today... but I disagree. This was on Kyle. He took the ball out of Alf hands, when the game was still winnable... when the only way to win was to keep the ball out of Manning's hands. Looking for cheap scores. Asking too much out of the O line, and getting his QB clobbered repeatedly, with two man routes, and no attempt to use a ball control game. Kyle panicked... and he blew it.

[Countertrey]

On the other hand... Haslett's crew did a hell of a job, especially considering the lousy hand they were dealt this weekend... And, Hall just played completely out of his freaking mind.

[Countertrey]

Hall played out of his mind today... just crazy tough.

[Kilmer72]

The old get rid of Hall thread isn't getting to much attention these days.

[Kilmer72]

The part that gets me is.... Denver has a pretty stout defense against the run. Our running game was working. Kyle must have been thinking attack their weakness. I would never give up on something that was working. Time of possession usually favors the winner.

[jambo100]

No other alias. Just joined today because I was so disgusted I wanted a place to vent it. I also posted in the GM section that Kyle has got to go. I cannot agree more. He is horrible. RG was not solely to blame by any means. Kyle is not leveraging the strengths of this team. Mike has to see this or he is an idiot. The receivers did not do well and help RG either, but he really looks lackluster. I still say he is not smart in the way he keeps taking unnecessary sacks for losses that absolutely kill drives.
Overall, Kyle lost this game for us more than anything else, but RG is not gonna deliver us to the promise land, IMO.

[masterkwon]

Well at least the Cowgirls lost the way they did and most the media seems to be focusing on Dez Bryant's mental breakdowns which are pretty funny

Cowboys.

[RG3peat]

The Shannys gotta go....horrible formations. Aints running read option but all this bunch crap in the backfield...passing plays have 1 or 2 options out of these...If your gonna let him wing it...spread them the F out. RG3 dont look like hes smart enough to read defenses and go through progressions thus far, horrible pass protection is helping also.

[HTTRRG3ALMO]

I believe I heard on 980 that Hall has been getting footwork lessons from Darrell Green

[Countertrey]

No other alias. Just joined today because I was so disgusted I wanted a place to vent it. I also posted in the GM section that Kyle has got to go. I cannot agree more. He is horrible. RG was not solely to blame by any means. Kyle is not leveraging the strengths of this team. Mike has to see this or he is an idiot. The receivers did not do well and help RG either, but he really looks lackluster. I still say he is not smart in the way he keeps taking unnecessary sacks for losses that absolutely kill drives.
Overall, Kyle lost this game for us more than anything else, but RG is not gonna deliver us to the promise land, IMO.

We always welcome new members... but, it's easier to listen to venting if you were to contribute something other than bile... otherwise, you just sound like another of dozens of trolls... hence, the response you got.

[RG3peat]

+1 on Kyle has to go....

[Kilmer72]

The good news is, we will look back at this thread just like the ole get rid of DHall thread eventually.

[jambo100]

@countertrey - what is bile. Because I think RG is not good for the team? Tell me where he looked good today?
Was he sharp?
There were alot of open receivers he completely missed.
Other times he threw it into an impossible situation, and what I meant by forcing it in.
The receivers dropped some they should not have, but overall he was very inaccurate. Is that bile?
I have been a skins fan for 40 years. It has been a pretty tough last couple decades already.
The one thing that RG really excelled the most at, team leadership and enthusiasm, was pretty absent the last couple games.
I still say he looked terrible overall today.
I also still place most of the blame on the loss to Kyle.
I have been saying that Kyle is terrible for a long time now, not just today.
I think you will want to embrace KC. That hit RG took to the OTHER knee today is gonna get stiff this week.
I also believe in the long run, there is no way RG is gonna hold up for any length of time and be healthy. I completely place that on MS shoulders. I really do not think much of him and even WAY less of Kyle.
OK. I have said it enough already.
GO skins.

[Kilmer72]

Cousins is a back up. He is for a reason or he would be a starter. We aren't hiding the next Montana as a sub to fool people. I understand your anxiety but to think that Cousins is the answer to a sieve of an offensive pass blocking line after 1 game and a few series is a stretch of even my imagination.
So RG3 didn't play his best game. What have you seen in the few plays from Cousins that tells you he can make this work?

[hanburgerheel]

From what I can tell, the only real "Star" on the Redskins team is Alfred Morris. That kid has heart, he has skills and he will get better and better. He's like a little, faster Riggins.

The running game is about all that I can see that excels from week to week.

Robert Griffin III is not a franchise QB. He was a nice shot-in-the-arm last season, but he is not big enough, not NFL caliber and not disciplined enough to make it in the league very long. Washington needs a QB like Andrew Luck, not Griffin. Griffin is also a lot of talk and not much walk. He sold a lot of jerseys. Yay for Nike, or whoever makes them. He will NOT take this team very far. His schemes were new last season and they ran their course. He's not strong enough to last in the NFL, especially on this team.

The Redskins head coach, offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator are lacking. They are not going to make a great team. Shanny & Son are not the answer. Not by a long shot. This entire team is weak and undisciplined. A handful of stand-outs are all we have. These coaches cannot optimize the pieces. Either that or the pieces are crap, too!

But, I'm all for keeping the name! And, as I said, Alfred Morris is a bad ass! Look where he came from and with no fanfare. Griffin won't last long. He's going to be toast in less than 5 years, maybe 3.

[Kilmer72]

From what I can tell, the only real "Star" on the Redskins team is Alfred Morris. That kid has heart, he has skills and he will get better and better. He's like a little, faster Riggins.

The running game is about all that I can see that excels from week to week.

Robert Griffin III is not a franchise QB. He was a nice shot-in-the-arm last season, but he is not big enough, not NFL caliber and not disciplined enough to make it in the league very long. Washington needs a QB like Andrew Luck, not Griffin. Griffin is also a lot of talk and not much walk. He sold a lot of jerseys. Yay for Nike, or whoever makes them. He will NOT take this team very far. His schemes were new last season and they ran their course. He's not strong enough to last in the NFL, especially on this team.

The Redskins head coach, offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator are lacking. They are not going to make a great team. Shanny & Son are not the answer. Not by a long shot. This entire team is weak and undisciplined. A handful of stand-outs are all we have. These coaches cannot optimize the pieces. Either that or the pieces are crap, too!

But, I'm all for keeping the name! And, as I said, Alfred Morris is a bad ass! Look where he came from and with no fanfare. Griffin won't last long. He's going to be toast in less than 5 years, maybe 3.

I like what you said about Morris but that is obvious even to a Redskin foe.

Robert is not big enough? Should he be 6 foot 5 245 pounds? Is Drew Brees? Who besides Andrew Luck is big enough? Tom Brady is 6 foot 4 225. Robert is 6 foot 2 220. This I got to hear. What is the height and weight requirement for a winning QB in Washington?

[hanburgerheel]

From what I can tell, the only real "Star" on the Redskins team is Alfred Morris. That kid has heart, he has skills and he will get better and better. He's like a little, faster Riggins.

The running game is about all that I can see that excels from week to week.

Robert Griffin III is not a franchise QB. He was a nice shot-in-the-arm last season, but he is not big enough, not NFL caliber and not disciplined enough to make it in the league very long. Washington needs a QB like Andrew Luck, not Griffin. Griffin is also a lot of talk and not much walk. He sold a lot of jerseys. Yay for Nike, or whoever makes them. He will NOT take this team very far. His schemes were new last season and they ran their course. He's not strong enough to last in the NFL, especially on this team.

The Redskins head coach, offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator are lacking. They are not going to make a great team. Shanny & Son are not the answer. Not by a long shot. This entire team is weak and undisciplined. A handful of stand-outs are all we have. These coaches cannot optimize the pieces. Either that or the pieces are crap, too!

But, I'm all for keeping the name! And, as I said, Alfred Morris is a bad ass! Look where he came from and with no fanfare. Griffin won't last long. He's going to be toast in less than 5 years, maybe 3.

I like what you said about Morris but that is obvious even to a Redskin foe.

Robert is not big enough? Should he be 6 foot 5 245 pounds? Is Drew Brees? Who besides Andrew Luck is big enough? Tom Brady is 6 foot 4 225. Robert is 6 foot 2 220. This I got to hear. What is the height requirement for a winning QB in Washington?

With Washington's O-Line protection for passers, he could be 10' tall and be in danger. I remember thinking today that Cousins probably had no desire to go in with that death-sentence of an O-Line.

It's not JUST a size issue. He just seems to be lacking, period. Either that, or the coaching staff is incapable of utilizing his strengths. I'm actually just as critical of the coaching staff. But, I was never sold on Griffin and I'm still not sold on him. I would much rather have a QB like Luck. It is possible that the other variables are just making him play and perform worse- bad coaching, poor protection, sub-par receivers. But, I have not seen any kind of reliable, consistent, precision passing from him at all this season...none. I also don't think he'll last long physically. He hurt his "good leg" today!

The team is hurting in virtually every aspect anyway. Griffin is not the "Savior" that he was hyped-up to be.

[Kilmer72]

No one man is the savior. It is a team effort. So there is no "big enough" issues then.

[brad7686]

- Kyle can't call plays for crap, and that is the MAIN reason they lost the game.

-You cannot allow pass rushers to go right up the gut like that all game.

-The receivers are not good, they can't catch or run routes and that is why a rookie is the main target, garcon is ok but not getting the separation he used to.

-RG3 was not sharp and has regressed from last year. He is still young and hopefully he doesn't suffer another terrible injury this year.

[Snout]

That was an epic meltdown. 38 unanswered points? 31 in the Fourth Quarter? Yikes. Sure Denver is a good team, but are they really that good?

[rskin72]

Not sure if this is all on Kyle or not. Players have to execute plays. All plays are certainly not going to work, but seems like too many times Robert is not seeing the whole field from the pocket, he is holding the ball too long, he is not sensing the pass rush/blitz, he is not accurate on many of his pass attempts. Now, take that with our WR/TE corps where it appears that Garcon and Reed are the only "reliable" pass catchers this season....especially with the absence of Davis. Then, the blocking ability of our Oline when Robert drops back....think Galdi said that Robert was sacked 3 times and hurried/hit something like 18 times today.

Even last week, Robert had some issues with his passing game.....

Heck, even Sonny and Chris were commenting on how much quicker the ball was coming out when Cousins went in as QB.....of course, that was a play prior to the pick 6 he threw.

In short, I had thought that maybe our O had turned a corner last week....guess the answer is not so much.

Keim had some thoughts on this.....
http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-reds ... edskins-21

[ACW]

[DarthMonk]

If we get the ball again the quarterback should be Cousins.

GREAT call - man, this kid is just so good

I think Monk meant put him in because of the hits RG3's taking more than playing cousins over Bob. That's my guess but I could be wrong

That's exactly it. We were down 17 with five minutes to go and Griffin was hurt.