Burgundy&Wha? wrote:We have a number of holes to fill. It'll be a few seasons until we can fill those and become a more complete team. Until then, win some lose some.
I don't fully agree - we we're more hurt by the cap BS than we thought ... we're not far off the pace really and we do have a lot to look forward to with this great QB
does not look good for this season but I think we'll see a lot of things to 'build on' as well
I agree. .. as long as Snyder doesn't fire the Shanaclan at the end of the season.
I think that would be a huge mistake! But I could see it happening.
I would love to see Shanny get his first normal off-season to build the team. His first year no first term FA were available because of the up coming lock out. His second season he had to deal with the lock out. The next two he was hamstrung by John Mara. This will be his first normal off-season.
Also, it will be good to be able to work on some of Roberts serious flaws
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No question. You have to give him another season and let's not forget that he had a 5 year plan and next year will be the 5th. I think there is talent on the team but it's still a very young team.
Most won't want to hear this but we've got to find someone to replace Fletcher. He's just not himself in terms of athleticism.
We also have to shore up the offensive line. A true RT will go a long way and depending on how the remainder of the season goes, we may need to find another one or two interior offensive linemen.
Most importantly we HAVE to find guys who want to play special teams. We are really missing the James Thrash's, Mike Sellers & Lorenzo Alexanders of the world. Who is that guy on our team?
StorminMormon86 wrote:The turnover right on our 4 yard line is what cost the game. We were still in it, only 8 points down.
That's a ridiculous statement. We were only 8 points down at that point? So what would the score have been if special teams had not spotted them 14 points off two returns???
I don't argue that the fumble kept us from a realistic chance at coming back in the game.
And lastly, I just want to say that all of this stuff about "our offense sucks" is just a gross oversimplification. We rushed for 216 yards. Dallas had 48. We passed for 246 yds v. Dallas 170. We gave up two turnovers to Dallas' one. If you didn't know the final score and I gave you those stats, especially the rushing stats, who would you think won the game?
I'm not usually big on blaming Kyle, but it really looked last night like the play calling once we got inside the 30 was just bad. Did we ever take any shots in the end zone at all? The decisions there just seemed really weird.
StorminMormon86 wrote:The turnover right on our 4 yard line is what cost the game. We were still in it, only 8 points down.
That's a ridiculous statement. We were only 8 points down at that point? So what would the score have been if special teams had not spotted them 14 points off two returns???
What would the score have been if our offense actually showed up and scored some TD's in the first half?
riggofan wrote:And lastly, I just want to say that all of this stuff about "our offense sucks" is just a gross oversimplification. We rushed for 216 yards. Dallas had 48. We passed for 246 yds v. Dallas 170. We gave up two turnovers to Dallas' one. If you didn't know the final score and I gave you those stats, especially the rushing stats, who would you think won the game?
Oversimplification?! Really? What games have you watched this year? We could have had 999 rushing yards with the same exact score and I'd still be p.o.'ed. Points matter. Yards do not. Our offense, yet again, failed to score a touchdown in the first half. And Griffin looked even worse in the 2nd half. Horrible throws, he stood in the pocket too long, etc. And our offensive line did not make matters any better, because they didn't even exist for most of the game. It is not a simplification to state that our offense sucks. It is fact.
StorminMormon86 wrote:What would the score have been if our offense actually showed up and scored some TD's in the first half?
I don't know. I guess if we scored two TDs in the first half instead of two FGs, then we would have had 14 points instead of six. But because we gave up two 90 yard returns, we would still be losing 21-14.
StorminMormon86 wrote:Oversimplification?! Really? What games have you watched this year? We could have had 999 rushing yards with the same exact score and I'd still be p.o.'ed. Points matter. Yards do not. Our offense, yet again, failed to score a touchdown in the first half.
I totally agree with that, so you're missing my point. Last night we consistently moved the ball, but consistently stalled in and near the red zone. The problem wasn't that "the offense sucked". The problem was that we didn't we finish drives.
It looked to me like we get conservative and/or cute with the play calling when we get in scoring position. I think the scoring problem has a lot more to do with play calling than just "our offense sucks".
frankcal20 wrote:No question. You have to give him another season and let's not forget that he had a 5 year plan and next year will be the 5th. I think there is talent on the team but it's still a very young team.
Most won't want to hear this but we've got to find someone to replace Fletcher. He's just not himself in terms of athleticism.
We also have to shore up the offensive line. A true RT will go a long way and depending on how the remainder of the season goes, we may need to find another one or two interior offensive linemen.
Most importantly we HAVE to find guys who want to play special teams. We are really missing the James Thrash's, Mike Sellers & Lorenzo Alexanders of the world. Who is that guy on our team?
Frank, i think you hit the nail on the head with all of your assessments. Our O-line was horrendous last night. They couldn't block guys who were driving trucks last year. We are definitely missing leaders on our special teams like Lo Alexander and Sellars. Forbath needs to start booting the ball out of the back of the end zone like every other kicker in the NFL does. RGIII looked better from a running standpoint, but his accuracy was terrible last night, and he also threw a lot of wobbly passes. He needs to clean that up. My biggest pet peeve was with Kyle last night. His play calling was terrible. We should have ran more stretch plays. I think we ran like three, and we scored on one of them. we kept trying to smash it up the middle like we're the 49er's. Our O-line is not built for that. Also, we had no screen game at all last night. I'm pretty sure with an inexperienced D-line like they had, the screen game could have went for some big gainers. We didn't go deep once last night either. They should always send Aldrick on a bomb at least once a game, and just throw it to him (unless he's double covered of course) to keep that in that back of the safeties mind. We have a long way to go, but we're not dead yet. 8 or 9 wins could take down the division.
frankcal20 wrote:No question. You have to give him another season and let's not forget that he had a 5 year plan and next year will be the 5th. I think there is talent on the team but it's still a very young team.
Most won't want to hear this but we've got to find someone to replace Fletcher. He's just not himself in terms of athleticism.
We also have to shore up the offensive line. A true RT will go a long way and depending on how the remainder of the season goes, we may need to find another one or two interior offensive linemen.
Most importantly we HAVE to find guys who want to play special teams. We are really missing the James Thrash's, Mike Sellers & Lorenzo Alexanders of the world. Who is that guy on our team?
Frank, i think you hit the nail on the head with all of your assessments. Our O-line was horrendous last night. They couldn't block guys who were driving trucks last year. We are definitely missing leaders on our special teams like Lo Alexander and Sellars. Forbath needs to start booting the ball out of the back of the end zone like every other kicker in the NFL does. RGIII looked better from a running standpoint, but his accuracy was terrible last night, and he also threw a lot of wobbly passes. He needs to clean that up. My biggest pet peeve was with Kyle last night. His play calling was terrible. We should have ran more stretch plays. I think we ran like three, and we scored on one of them. we kept trying to smash it up the middle like we're the 49er's. Our O-line is not built for that. Also, we had no screen game at all last night. I'm pretty sure with an inexperienced D-line like they had, the screen game could have went for some big gainers. We didn't go deep once last night either. They should always send Aldrick on a bomb at least once a game, and just throw it to him (unless he's double covered of course) to keep that in that back of the safeties mind. We have a long way to go, but we're not dead yet. 8 or 9 wins could take down the division.
I think Kyle needs to find a way to get Helu and Alfred on the field at the same time. Then you have a back that can take a corner and a back that runs excellent between the tackles.
riggofan wrote:It looked to me like we get conservative and/or cute with the play calling when we get in scoring position. I think the scoring problem has a lot more to do with play calling than just "our offense sucks".
Players have to execute the plays. With the exception of Morris, they did not. We've now played a total of ten quarters in the first half, and managed to only score one offensive touchdown. You don't see a recurring problem here?
riggofan wrote:It looked to me like we get conservative and/or cute with the play calling when we get in scoring position. I think the scoring problem has a lot more to do with play calling than just "our offense sucks".
Players have to execute the plays. With the exception of Morris, they did not. We've now played a total of ten quarters in the first half, and managed to only score one offensive touchdown. You don't see a recurring problem here?
Yeah I'm sure you're right. Everybody on our offense just sucks.
Oh except Alfred Morris because he did get that touchdown.
riggofan wrote:It looked to me like we get conservative and/or cute with the play calling when we get in scoring position. I think the scoring problem has a lot more to do with play calling than just "our offense sucks".
Players have to execute the plays. With the exception of Morris, they did not. We've now played a total of ten quarters in the first half, and managed to only score one offensive touchdown. You don't see a recurring problem here?
Yeah I'm sure you're right. Everybody on our offense just sucks.
Oh except Alfred Morris because he did get that touchdown.
Honestly, I would like to know your thought process behind how you jumped to the conclusion that mormon is saying that everyone except Morris sucks....... it'd be an interesting read --- especially when you are the one that points fingers to other about "oversimplification".
The dude was clearly talking about execution and not talent. Take a second read. This offense clearly has talent --- they are just not executing. We have too many penalties, don't take advantage of defensive mistakes, don't complete plays from snap to whistle, etc.
While I do agree with you about KS playing calling and special teams, I don't think you understand what mormon is saying.
Burgundy&Wha? wrote:We have a number of holes to fill. It'll be a few seasons until we can fill those and become a more complete team. Until then, win some lose some.
I don't fully agree - we we're more hurt by the cap BS than we thought ... we're not far off the pace really and we do have a lot to look forward to with this great QB
does not look good for this season but I think we'll see a lot of things to 'build on' as well
Oh, I agree we have some very good pieces -- QB, LT, RB, one OLB, and some parts. I just look at 3-4 positions on the OL that need to be improved. We'll need to find a replacement for Fletcher. The secondary is still a concern. Amerson shows promise, though. I think he's a player. We need a true #1 WR. Garcon is good, but we need another as well.
RG III was so good last year he lifted a bunch of players above their level. Great players can do that. However, Peyton Manning wouldn't be himself behind our line.
Last week on one of the local sportscasts, Doc Walker made the most absurd prediction saying Washington would route Dallas just like Denver did. This knucklehead played the game, has access to the current team and practices and actually believed an inept offense was all of a sudden going to magically go on a scoring spree. What a clown.
masterkwon wrote:Last week on one of the local sportscasts, Doc Walker made the most absurd prediction saying Washington would route Dallas just like Denver did. This knucklehead played the game, has access to the current team and practices and actually believed an inept offense was all of a sudden going to magically go on a scoring spree. What a clown.
What's worse is calling a three point victory by Denver a rout. Doc Walker, sharp as a pound of wet leather.
Burgundy&Wha? wrote:We have a number of holes to fill. It'll be a few seasons until we can fill those and become a more complete team. Until then, win some lose some.
I don't fully agree - we we're more hurt by the cap BS than we thought ... we're not far off the pace really and we do have a lot to look forward to with this great QB
does not look good for this season but I think we'll see a lot of things to 'build on' as well
I agree. .. as long as Snyder doesn't fire the Shanaclan at the end of the season.
I think that would be a huge mistake! But I could see it happening.
I would love to see Shanny get his first normal off-season to build the team. His first year no first term FA were available because of the up coming lock out. His second season he had to deal with the lock out. The next two he was hamstrung by John Mara. This will be his first normal off-season.
Also, it will be good to be able to work on some of Roberts serious flaws
It will be interesting to see what happens after this season. Either Shanny gets fired or he gets an extension. No way he goes into next season as a lame duck on the last year of his contract.
No sense arguing over what was worse, special teams or offense, since both were poor yesterday, as they have been all season so far. I heard a stat on the radio today which totally shocked me...our defensive backs are outscoring our entire offense in the first half of games this season 21-16. 16 points in 10 first half quarters is a joke and it's impossible to win games playing from behind like that every game, no matter how good or bad the defense and special teams are.
truth be told ... nothing is really going well - the Redskins have definitely not played as well as most expected - this will change
the one good thing going forward is that despite a devastating end of season injury to RG3 - he's going to be the great QB we (most of us) expected
I'm still looking forward to seeing some good football from this team over the next 10 games ...
and
IMO we'll finish on top of the eagles and giants in the NFC East - that's always a good thing
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:truth be told ... nothing is really going well - the Redskins have definitely not played as well as most expected - this will change
the one good thing going forward is that despite a devastating end of season injury to RG3 - he's going to be the great QB we (most of us) expected
I'm still looking forward to seeing some good football from this team over the next 10 games ...
and
IMO we'll finish on top of the eagles and giants in the NFC East - that's always a good thing
Man I don't know how you can be so optimistic after that Cowboys game. Especially since we had two weeks to prepare, and still couldn't score a TD in the first half.
As for Shanny, I don't want him back after year 5.
riggofan wrote:It looked to me like we get conservative and/or cute with the play calling when we get in scoring position. I think the scoring problem has a lot more to do with play calling than just "our offense sucks".
Players have to execute the plays. With the exception of Morris, they did not. We've now played a total of ten quarters in the first half, and managed to only score one offensive touchdown. You don't see a recurring problem here?
Yeah I'm sure you're right. Everybody on our offense just sucks.
Oh except Alfred Morris because he did get that touchdown.
Honestly, I would like to know your thought process behind how you jumped to the conclusion that mormon is saying that everyone except Morris sucks....... it'd be an interesting read --- especially when you are the one that points fingers to other about "oversimplification".
The dude was clearly talking about execution and not talent. Take a second read. This offense clearly has talent --- they are just not executing. We have too many penalties, don't take advantage of defensive mistakes, don't complete plays from snap to whistle, etc.
While I do agree with you about KS playing calling and special teams, I don't think you understand what mormon is saying.
I think he just likes breaking my balls for some reason, maybe because I criticize our coveted offense.
riggofan wrote:It looked to me like we get conservative and/or cute with the play calling when we get in scoring position. I think the scoring problem has a lot more to do with play calling than just "our offense sucks".
Players have to execute the plays. With the exception of Morris, they did not. We've now played a total of ten quarters in the first half, and managed to only score one offensive touchdown. You don't see a recurring problem here?
Yeah I'm sure you're right. Everybody on our offense just sucks.
Oh except Alfred Morris because he did get that touchdown.
Honestly, I would like to know your thought process behind how you jumped to the conclusion that mormon is saying that everyone except Morris sucks....... it'd be an interesting read --- especially when you are the one that points fingers to other about "oversimplification".
The dude was clearly talking about execution and not talent. Take a second read. This offense clearly has talent --- they are just not executing. We have too many penalties, don't take advantage of defensive mistakes, don't complete plays from snap to whistle, etc.
While I do agree with you about KS playing calling and special teams, I don't think you understand what mormon is saying.
I don't really know how to respond to this. THIS is what storminmoron wrote yesterday:
"Our offense is awful, top to bottom. "
"It is not a simplification to state that our offense sucks. It is fact."
I don't really know how you get "our offense has talent but they're not executing" from "our offense sucks".
BTW Weren't you the guy on here two years ago telling us all how we need John Beck starting so we could start winning games?
lol.
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riggofan wrote:I could care less about breaking your balls.
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riggofan wrote:BTW Weren't you the guy on here two years ago telling us all how we need John Beck starting so we could start winning games?
lol.
Gotcha.
I've also admitted I was wrong on that. I thought he would be lightyears ahead of the god-awful Grossman, but that was dead wrong. At least Beck/Grossman could score TD's in the first half, unlike the person not to be criticized.
And yes, if you can't score TD's in the first half, your offense sucks. Sucks as in they cannot score TD's. As in execution.
riggofan wrote:It looked to me like we get conservative and/or cute with the play calling when we get in scoring position. I think the scoring problem has a lot more to do with play calling than just "our offense sucks".
Players have to execute the plays. With the exception of Morris, they did not. We've now played a total of ten quarters in the first half, and managed to only score one offensive touchdown. You don't see a recurring problem here?
Yeah I'm sure you're right. Everybody on our offense just sucks.
Oh except Alfred Morris because he did get that touchdown.
Honestly, I would like to know your thought process behind how you jumped to the conclusion that mormon is saying that everyone except Morris sucks....... it'd be an interesting read --- especially when you are the one that points fingers to other about "oversimplification".
The dude was clearly talking about execution and not talent. Take a second read. This offense clearly has talent --- they are just not executing. We have too many penalties, don't take advantage of defensive mistakes, don't complete plays from snap to whistle, etc.
While I do agree with you about KS playing calling and special teams, I don't think you understand what mormon is saying.
I don't really know how to respond to this. THIS is what storminmoron wrote yesterday:
"Our offense is awful, top to bottom. "
"It is not a simplification to state that our offense sucks. It is fact."
I don't really know how you get "our offense has talent but they're not executing" from "our offense sucks".
Rrrrrrriiiiiiggghhhtt.
Didn't read the entire thread. If that's what he said, I can understand your thought process on that. The only way it would differ is if that first statement was related to execution (i.e., awful at execution opposed to awful talent-wise) --- but I'm not going to go back and check on that. I'll take your word for it.
markshark84 wrote:Didn't read the entire thread. If that's what he said, I can understand your thought process on that. The only way it would differ is if that first statement was related to execution (i.e., awful at execution opposed to awful talent-wise) --- but I'm not going to go back and check on that. I'll take your word for it.
I mean, to be fair, "our offense sucks" is an opinion. I just don't think its a very interesting opinion. What does it leave to discuss?
There were some good things that happened with the offense on Sunday. I thought Jordan Reed stood out. RGIII looked more like himself the way he was running. He ran for 77 yards and really should have had a rushing TD. We were much better on third down.
Obviously none of that changes the bad stuff on offense. He threw too many passes way off target and some wobbly passes. Offensive line problems. Seemed like it took forever to get the running game going. That terrible fumble.
Anyway whatever. I just don't think this is the Rex Grossman Redskins team that just sucks and has no hope of improving.
