Where are you at on this whole team name change thing?

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:12 pm

There's just something 'wrong' about Cleveland and their sports teams ... :lol:

at least it seems to me ... bad karma ... or something :lol:

I could almost feel sorry for them ...

but

sports fans in Cleveland are like the people that buy a house near an airport and then complain about the noise :twisted:

BigRedskinDaddy · Post by **BigRedskinDaddy** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:41 am

Once upon a time I would've scoffed at anyone suggesting that the Redskins might one day have to change their name. Now I'm not so sure. The more I read about this the more support seems to be growing in favor of the vociferous few who CHOOSE to take offense. And WTF is Obama doing weighing in on this? Hey, POTUS? Why don't you spend a little more time trying to reduce our massive budget deficit and a little less time opining on subjects you have no business talking about. Forgive me Lord, but the man is a tool from the word go.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:50 am

^^ I hear you and while we are 'seeing & hearing' more on this, I really don't think that the NFL is going to 'make' Snyder change the name

the 'noise' is there but I think that 'history' is on the side of the 'quieter' majority

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:49 am

riggofan wrote:

That's about right. At least our logo doesn't look like Cleveland's!!!

I'd like to see someone try to make a similar parody with the Redskins' logo. All it would do is show that our name and logo weren't created in the spirit of racism.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:17 am

That was really a great letter by Mr. Snyder (or whoever he had write it).

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:29 am

Irn-Bru wrote:
riggofan wrote:

That's about right. At least our logo doesn't look like Cleveland's!!!

I'd like to see someone try to make a similar parody with the Redskins' logo. All it would do is show that our name and logo weren't created in the spirit of racism.

That's a fair point. I think our logo is very respectful compared to Cleveland.

I'm not sure though that if the New York Jews logo was a tasteful side portrait of Sigmund Freud it would make any less of a point.

Also, I don't think anybody is arguing that the Redskins name and logo were "created in the spirit of racism". That's a complete straw man.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:14 pm

riggofan wrote:That's a fair point. I think our logo is very respectful compared to Cleveland.

I'm not sure though that if the New York Jews logo was a tasteful side portrait of Sigmund Freud it would make any less of a point.

What would be the reason for creating a portrait of Freud, though? At least with the Redskins it makes sense. The origin of Redskins as a team name has more in common with the Trojans than it does "the Jews" or "the Chinamen." Grasp this point and you see why much of the debate is actually misguided.

Also, I don't think anybody is arguing that the Redskins name and logo were "created in the spirit of racism". That's a complete straw man.

Really? I see that argument offered all the time. Why else are people so eager to point out that George Preston Marshall was racist and the owner when the name changed?

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:16 pm

riggofan wrote:I think our logo is very respectful compared to Cleveland.

...

Also, I don't think anybody is arguing that the Redskins name and logo were "created in the spirit of racism".

Probably because our logo was designed by American Indians.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:47 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:
riggofan wrote:That's a fair point. I think our logo is very respectful compared to Cleveland.

I'm not sure though that if the New York Jews logo was a tasteful side portrait of Sigmund Freud it would make any less of a point.

What would be the reason for creating a portrait of Freud, though?

My point was that the New York Jews would be an unacceptable name whether it had a whacky mascot logo or whether the logo was a respectful portrait of one of the most influential Jewish men in history.

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:09 pm

OFFICIAL NFL NOTICE:
>
> The Washington Redskins are to change their name, due to negative
> associations.
>
> From now on, they will be known as the "Maryland Redskins" :twisted:

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:05 am

I REALLY do not think the Redskins will be 'forced' to make a change ...

IF this should happen - I suggest we go to the Washington Reds - then we could keep the fight song and everything else the same Monkey

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:22 am

Bob Costas can go to hell.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:24 am

StorminMormon86 wrote:Bob Costas can go to hell.

YEAH!!! He has a different opinion from me so therefore he should go to hell!! :puke:

Burgundy&Wha? · Post by **Burgundy&Wha?** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:28 am

riggofan wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:Bob Costas can go to hell.

YEAH!!! He has a different opinion from me so therefore he should go to hell!!

Yes, he should. As should many Iggles fans, Cowpukes fans, Chawks fans who said Sean Taylor deserved to die. They can all go to hell.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:35 am

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:
riggofan wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:Bob Costas can go to hell.

YEAH!!! He has a different opinion from me so therefore he should go to hell!!

Yes, he should. As should many Iggles fans, Cowpukes fans, Chawks fans who said Sean Taylor deserved to die. They can all go to hell.

Oh yeah. That happened.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:41 am

it's a sports site guys .. riggofan gets it ...

Burgundy&Wha? · Post by **Burgundy&Wha?** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:44 am

riggofan wrote:
Burgundy&Wha? wrote:
riggofan wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:Bob Costas can go to hell.

YEAH!!! He has a different opinion from me so therefore he should go to hell!!

Yes, he should. As should many Iggles fans, Cowpukes fans, Chawks fans who said Sean Taylor deserved to die. They can all go to hell.

Oh yeah. That happened.

According to fans on another Skins message board who went to the playoff game in Seattle that year, yes it did.

Burgundy&Wha? · Post by **Burgundy&Wha?** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:46 am

Here is a curious side note. Apparently the "Native AMerican" who is leading the Anti-Redskins Movement is not actually a "Native-American".

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/14/docum ... his-tribe/

Perhaps this guy is drumming these things up for fame, notoriety, or fund-raising?

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:55 am

riggofan wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:Bob Costas can go to hell.

YEAH!!! He has a different opinion from me so therefore he should go to hell!!

No he should go to hell because he runs his mouth about how the term "Redskins" is an "undeniable slur". That's not his opinion. He's stating as if it's a fact.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:56 am

Washington Warlocks?

Burgundy&Wha? · Post by **Burgundy&Wha?** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:58 am

I'm worried that the name change would actually happen if/when Snyder realizes how much money it would bring in with new merchandise sales.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:00 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:
riggofan wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:Bob Costas can go to hell.

YEAH!!! He has a different opinion from me so therefore he should go to hell!!

No he should go to hell because he runs his mouth about how the term "Redskins" is an "undeniable slur". That's not his opinion. He's stating as if it's a fact.

Its a fact in the dictionary. He should go to hell for all of his book learnin'!!!!

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:02 pm

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:According to fans on another Skins message board who went to the playoff game in Seattle that year, yes it did.

lol. Very reputable.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:20 pm

riggofan wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:
riggofan wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:Bob Costas can go to hell.

YEAH!!! He has a different opinion from me so therefore he should go to hell!!

No he should go to hell because he runs his mouth about how the term "Redskins" is an "undeniable slur". That's not his opinion. He's stating as if it's a fact.

Its a fact in the dictionary. He should go to hell for all of his book learnin'!!!!

http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/defini ... sh/redskin

It was used to describe the type of paint Native Americans from Delaware used on their faces. Costas is wrong. He needs to report on sports, that's his job. His job isn't to interject political opinions into his reporting. The team was not named on the basis of slurring Native Americans. That should be the end of the discussion. But since you agree with Costas, what do you refer to the team as?

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:33 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:
riggofan wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:
riggofan wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:Bob Costas can go to hell.

YEAH!!! He has a different opinion from me so therefore he should go to hell!!

No he should go to hell because he runs his mouth about how the term "Redskins" is an "undeniable slur". That's not his opinion. He's stating as if it's a fact.

Its a fact in the dictionary. He should go to hell for all of his book learnin'!!!!

http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/defini ... sh/redskin

It was used to describe the type of paint Native Americans from Delaware used on their faces. Costas is wrong. He needs to report on sports, that's his job. His job isn't to interject political opinions into his reporting. The team was not named on the basis of slurring Native Americans. That should be the end of the discussion. But since you agree with Costas, what do you refer to the team as?

Who said I agree with Costas? I actually don't agree that the team should change its name. But I can listen to Bob Costas express his opinion about the name of a freaking football team without feeling that he needs to "burn in hell".

If the whole political correctness part of this debate is annoying, I can assure you that the insane and ignorant overreactions by the other side of the debate are just flat out disturbing.

And btw claiming that the only thing people used the term Redskins for was "to describe the type of paint Native Americans from Delaware" has to be one of the STUPIDEST things I have ever heard. Like some rancher in Texas who called a pack of comanches "redskins" was really just thinking about the facepaint of the Delaware native americans. lol. Give me a freaking break. The reason the word is an issue is because at some point it has been used as an ethnic slur. End of story.