The Loser Papers - 2013 Edition

[Deadskins]

Well, it took a little longer than I had hoped, but we finally got the presses rolling for the 2013 edition of The Loser Papers. For the uninitiated, TLP consists of articles from the hometown newspapers of the Redskins' vanquished foes. It is here where you hear the other side of the story. You know, how the [team name here] shot themselves in the foot, or were robbed by the refs, or any of the other countless reasons why they lost to the Redskins.

So, without further ado, I bring you an article from the Oakland Tribune:

Oakland Raiders lose to Washington
By Jerry McDonald


Oakland Raiders' Rashad Jennings (27) blocks a punt against Washington Redskins' Sav Rocca (6) in the first quarter at the O.co Coliseum, Calif. on Sunday, Sept. 29, 2013. (Nhat V. Meyer/Bay Area News Group)

OAKLAND -- What started as a potentially uplifting day ended when the remnants of a home crowd of 53,549 vented its frustration upon the Raiders on Sunday at O.co Coliseum.

"We let 'em down," safety Charles Woodson said after a 24-14 loss to Washington "You heard the boos. For any team in the league, to hear your home fans boo, that's hard."

Terrelle Pryor sat out the game to further recover from a concussion, and two other crowd favorites -- running back Darren McFadden and fullback Marcel Reece -- left in the second-quarter with injuries and did not return.

Most of the boo birds were targeting quarterback Matt Flynn, who turned the ball over twice and failed to move the ball after the Raiders jumped to a 14-0 lead in the first quarter.


Oakland Raiders' starting quarterback Matt Flynn (15) throws against the Washington Redskins in the first quarter at the O.co Coliseum, Calif. on Sunday, Sept. 29, 2013. (Nhat V. Meyer)

It started during pregame warm-ups, when Flynn was announced as the starter after coach Dennis Allen determined Saturday night that Pryor needed at least another week before playing.

But the house was rocking a short time later when Rashad Jennings blocked a Sav Rocca punt and Jeremy Stewart pounced on it in the end zone with 10:40 to play in the first quarter.

It got even louder when Flynn found rookie tight end Mychal Rivera for an 18-yard touchdown with 3:06 left in the quarter.

Flush with momentum, the Raiders (1-3) gave it all back and then some, with a gift interception from Flynn landing in the hands of Don Amerson for a 45-yard touchdown return and getting Washington within 14-10 with 10:59 left in the second quarter.

With the Raiders unable to move the ball and continually giving Washington chances, the visitors got second-half touchdowns on a 5-yard pass from Robert Griffin III to Pierre Garcon and a 14-yard run by Roy Helu, sending home both the fans and the home team disappointed.

"That one stung," Allen said. "The way we were able to start the game, block a punt, get it to 14-0 and have all the momentum ... then we let 'em back in the game."

And while the usual protocol finds an NFL coach finding ways to spread the blame equally after a loss, Allen conceded, "I thought our defense and special teams, they held their own. They did some good things."

Flynn was 21 of 32 for 227 yards with one touchdown, the interception for a touchdown and two fumbles, one that he lost and one that he recovered on a fourth-and-1 play to give Washington the ball on downs.

Washington (1-3) had seven sacks, in part because Flynn was reluctant to let the ball go and also because defenders came hard and fast knowing they weren't concerned with Pryor getting outside for big yardage.

The touchdown by Amerson, which Woodson said "let the air out of the bubble" while the Raiders were leading 14-3, was telegraphed from the start.

"When you lock down in that split, it's pretty obvious you know where he's going to run," Amerson said. "I just wanted to make sure I was close enough to the receiver and make a play."

In 12 possessions after the Raiders led 14-0, the closest they got to scoring was a missed 52-yard field goal by Sebastian Janikowski in the third quarter.

"We just couldn't get anything else going," Allen said. "Obviously, losing McFadden and Marcel hurt, but we've got to find a way to get some more offense going."

After an encouraging three games in terms of moving the ball with Pryor at quarterback, the Raiders were under 300 yards of total offense for the first time this season against a team that came in giving up 488.0 yards per game -- the most in the NFL.

The Raiders were 5 for 17 on third-down conversions, and two of those came on Flynn passes of 6 yards to Brice Butler on third-and-4 and 12 yards to Jennings on third-and-8 in their 10-play, 81-yard touchdown drive.

"We started out pretty well," Flynn said. "They made some adjustments on defense; after that we weren't converting third downs, and that was obviously the big issue."

Woodson had no issue with the fans booing and said, "If we continue to do what we did at points in today's game, we're going to hear those boos. It ain't going to stop."

http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci ... washington

[Deadskins]

Here's another:

No Oakland Raiders quarterback controversy here -- Terrelle Pryor is the best they've got
By Tim Kawakami

OAKLAND -- The proof was everywhere on Sunday, the details were glaring, and the proper pained conclusion was beyond question.

Terrelle Pryor isn't just the Raiders' best quarterback, he's the only one.

He's it, and Matt Flynn absolutely isn't.

If nothing else, the Raiders' gut-shot 24-14 loss to Washington at the Coliseum proved one franchise-focusing thing:

By not playing Sunday, Pryor loomed larger than he ever has and maybe ever will, and by playing the way he did, Flynn has never seemed smaller.

"Listen, Matt didn't play well and we have to move on," coach Dennis Allen said of Flynn's shaky performance.

"We have to get better from that, so hopefully we'll be ready to go for San Diego (next Sunday)" when Pryor is expected to be back.

On Sunday, Pryor was held out as a precaution after suffering a concussion a week earlier, and the result was a Raiders offense that plunged into a deep, dark chasm.

Of course, Pryor is far from a finished product and may not even keep this job beyond 2013. He's a wild-card, a dynamic question mark.

But for now, Pryor is the only quarterback who gives the Raiders hope, and Sunday the hope was not in uniform.

The care Allen and his staff took to keep him under wraps on Sunday is another sign: They can't risk damaging their best quarterback, so they kept him out Sunday.

So Pryor watched from the sideline in a black sweater, cheered wildly when the Raiders went up 14-0, and then was helpless while Flynn and the rest of the team imploded.

There were terrible Flynn throws. There was the egregious Flynn interception that David Amerson returned for a touchdown to cut the Raiders' lead to 14-10.

There were the seven times Flynn was sacked, some of them because of quarterback indecision, Allen said.

And there were boos from the Coliseum crowd -- constant, angry, loud and undeniable.

"Yeah, it's hard not to hear it," Flynn said. "You just try to focus on your job and do what you can. It's definitely hard not to hear."

Flynn's stats: 21 for 32 for 227 yards and a touchdown to Mychal Rivera to finish a great early drive to go up 14-0 after the Raiders had earlier scored on a blocked punt.

Then Darren McFadden and Marcel Reece both were lost to injuries, Flynn started getting swamped by the Washington pass rush, and the whole Raiders offense buckled and broke.

And the boos came.

"Yeah, that's not cool at all," tackle Khalif Barnes said of the Flynn cat-calls. "The guy puts in a lot of blood and sweat and he prepares hard and he works hard. It's never just one guy.

"I really don't like when that goes on. He's not the sole reason of what happened today.


Raiders' quarterback Terrelle Pryor on the sideline against the Redskins, Sept. 29, 2013. (Nhat V. Meyer, Bay Area News Group)

"I could've done some things I could've done better. A lot of guys could've done some things they could've done better. We all take ownership. It's never just on one guy."

Sometimes home-crowd boos are silly and irrelevant. Sometimes they're just mean and reckless.

On this Sunday, the boos were the logical primal scream of Raider Nation: No more Flynn! (Who by the way is making $6.5 million this season and was brought in initially to be the starter. Whew.) Without saying it exactly, I think after the game Allen was essentially in frustrated agreement.

If Pryor can't play Sunday or if he is hurt again later, I think we'll see current third-stringer Matt McGloin at quarterback for the Raiders, not Flynn.

"Obviously, I don't think he saw the field very good today," Allen said of Flynn.

"I think he was obviously part of some of the sacks that we gave up in the game. It was a tough situation for him to go into, obviously with the loss of McFadden and Reece, that didn't help him out any ... Offensively we didn't get it done, and that's really the bottom line."

To his credit, Flynn stoically answered every question at his locker Sunday. But he still looked a little shell shocked and sounded washed out.

Did he agree with Allen's assessment that he wasn't seeing the field?

"I don't know -- I felt like I was seeing things fairly well," Flynn said. "I didn't think I wasn't seeing the field well. Just didn't make the plays."

He played, and no Raiders fan wants to see him do it again. Pryor didn't play, and the Raiders have to hope and believe he'll be ready Sunday, and into the future.

Because suddenly this whole franchise rides on Pryor's shoulders, at least for now. There is no other quarterback worth playing, or watching, or cheering.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/tim-kawaka ... e-terrelle

[langleyparkjoe]

Awesomeness !

[skinsfan#33]

It is funny how both articles made it seam like the "Don" Amerson pick six was all Flynns fault and gave no credit to David Amerson (or to the ref that picked the Raiders' WR).

No, the falut was all on Flynn, yet they didn't mention they got a gift with their first TD when the Perry Riley used the "ole" blocking technique on the rusher giving the Raiders a gift TD

Or the gift they got on the play prior to their second TD when Orakpo "Carlos Rogered" what should have been an INT and possibly a pick six. (on a side note Rob Jackson catches that ball and houses it)

[Countertrey]

Amerson read the play, and positioned himself to make a play SHOULD IT come his way. It did... He did... and HE should get credit... it was an excellent defensive play. It was the kind of thing that quarterbacks don't start to see well until they have lots of time under center, true... but that would have happened to Pryor in exactly the same circumstance... Amerson would have read the route, and undercut it.

[emoses14]

Amerson read the play, and positioned himself to make a play SHOULD IT come his way. It did... He did... and HE should get credit... it was an excellent defensive play. It was the kind of thing that quarterbacks don't start to see well until they have lots of time under center, true... but that would have happened to Pryor in exactly the same circumstance... Amerson would have read the route, and undercut it.

Nope. If Pryor had played, that play would have been a touchdown, no doubt. If Pryor plays, obviously the skins lose. It is idiocy to deny this.

[Deadskins]

^^^ Missing sarcasm tags?

[emoses14]

^^ I can never decide between "the eye roll" or "/sarcasm".

But, yes.

[Countertrey]

Amerson read the play, and positioned himself to make a play SHOULD IT come his way. It did... He did... and HE should get credit... it was an excellent defensive play. It was the kind of thing that quarterbacks don't start to see well until they have lots of time under center, true... but that would have happened to Pryor in exactly the same circumstance... Amerson would have read the route, and undercut it.

Nope. If Pryor had played, that play would have been a touchdown, no doubt. If Pryor plays, obviously the skins lose. It is idiocy to deny this.

Welllllllllll...

It WAS a touchdown...


just sayin"....

[TimSkin]

Or the gift they got on the play prior to their second TD when Orakpo "Carlos Rogered" what should have been an INT and possibly a pick six. (on a side note Rob Jackson catches that ball and houses it)

I remember last year against the Saints in the first game of the year when Brees didn't see Orakpo drop back into coverage and threw a ball right in the middle of 98 and it just bounced right off his hands. They should spend every practice with this guy focusing on his coverage skills and working with the jugs machine.

[HEROHAMO]

Amerson read the play, and positioned himself to make a play SHOULD IT come his way. It did... He did... and HE should get credit... it was an excellent defensive play. It was the kind of thing that quarterbacks don't start to see well until they have lots of time under center, true... but that would have happened to Pryor in exactly the same circumstance... Amerson would have read the route, and undercut it.

Nope. If Pryor had played, that play would have been a touchdown, no doubt. If Pryor plays, obviously the skins lose. It is idiocy to deny this.

I live here in California. My brother is a devoted Raiders fan. I know Pryors skill set. Passing is not one of them. I have seen plenty of Raiders football. Pryor is the better runner Flynn is the better passer.

Flynn presented the Redskins defense with a problem since we did not have film on him yet. We had film on Pryor who is mainly a scrambler. Much like Tim Tebow but faster yet a lil thinner.

Pryor rarely makes accurate throws. He is fast and can run. Thats about it.
So basically our defense would be trying to stop the running QB who cant pass worth a lick.

Thats a much easier task then trying to stop a passing game. I seriously doubt you have even watched Pryor play to make such an assumption to how we would of lost had Pryor played? I say it would of been worse had Pryor played.

[skinsfan#33]

Or the gift they got on the play prior to their second TD when Orakpo "Carlos Rogered" what should have been an INT and possibly a pick six. (on a side note Rob Jackson catches that ball and houses it)

I remember last year against the Saints in the first game of the year when Brees didn't see Orakpo drop back into coverage and threw a ball right in the middle of 98 and it just bounced right off his hands. They should spend every practice with this guy focusing on his coverage skills and working with the jugs machine.

Hopefully it's all academic since Rob Jackson is coming back and the next time a lb drops back in that area it will be Jackson.

[emoses14]

Amerson read the play, and positioned himself to make a play SHOULD IT come his way. It did... He did... and HE should get credit... it was an excellent defensive play. It was the kind of thing that quarterbacks don't start to see well until they have lots of time under center, true... but that would have happened to Pryor in exactly the same circumstance... Amerson would have read the route, and undercut it.

Nope. If Pryor had played, that play would have been a touchdown, no doubt. If Pryor plays, obviously the skins lose. It is idiocy to deny this.

I live here in California. My brother is a devoted Raiders fan. I know Pryors skill set. Passing is not one of them. I have seen plenty of Raiders football. Pryor is the better runner Flynn is the better passer.

Flynn presented the Redskins defense with a problem since we did not have film on him yet. We had film on Pryor who is mainly a scrambler. Much like Tim Tebow but faster yet a lil thinner.

Pryor rarely makes accurate throws. He is fast and can run. Thats about it.
So basically our defense would be trying to stop the running QB who cant pass worth a lick.

Thats a much easier task then trying to stop a passing game. I seriously doubt you have even watched Pryor play to make such an assumption to how we would of lost had Pryor played? I say it would of been worse had Pryor played.

Not gonna bust your balls about this response. It makes sense if you responded to it before you read the 2 after it. I was being sarcastic.

[rskin72]

Nice to finally read some loser papers....pretty much said what I was thinking, Flynn is pretty bad. Of course, Beck was still worse IMHO....

[Countertrey]

Amerson read the play, and positioned himself to make a play SHOULD IT come his way. It did... He did... and HE should get credit... it was an excellent defensive play. It was the kind of thing that quarterbacks don't start to see well until they have lots of time under center, true... but that would have happened to Pryor in exactly the same circumstance... Amerson would have read the route, and undercut it.

Nope. If Pryor had played, that play would have been a touchdown, no doubt. If Pryor plays, obviously the skins lose. It is idiocy to deny this.

I live here in California. My brother is a devoted Raiders fan. I know Pryors skill set. Passing is not one of them. I have seen plenty of Raiders football. Pryor is the better runner Flynn is the better passer.

Flynn presented the Redskins defense with a problem since we did not have film on him yet. We had film on Pryor who is mainly a scrambler. Much like Tim Tebow but faster yet a lil thinner.

Pryor rarely makes accurate throws. He is fast and can run. Thats about it.
So basically our defense would be trying to stop the running QB who cant pass worth a lick.

Thats a much easier task then trying to stop a passing game. I seriously doubt you have even watched Pryor play to make such an assumption to how we would of lost had Pryor played? I say it would of been worse had Pryor played.

Not gonna bust your balls about this response. It makes sense if you responded to it before you read the 2 after it. I was being sarcastic.

No slack... cut no slack!

[HEROHAMO]

Amerson read the play, and positioned himself to make a play SHOULD IT come his way. It did... He did... and HE should get credit... it was an excellent defensive play. It was the kind of thing that quarterbacks don't start to see well until they have lots of time under center, true... but that would have happened to Pryor in exactly the same circumstance... Amerson would have read the route, and undercut it.

Nope. If Pryor had played, that play would have been a touchdown, no doubt. If Pryor plays, obviously the skins lose. It is idiocy to deny this.

I live here in California. My brother is a devoted Raiders fan. I know Pryors skill set. Passing is not one of them. I have seen plenty of Raiders football. Pryor is the better runner Flynn is the better passer.

Flynn presented the Redskins defense with a problem since we did not have film on him yet. We had film on Pryor who is mainly a scrambler. Much like Tim Tebow but faster yet a lil thinner.

Pryor rarely makes accurate throws. He is fast and can run. Thats about it.
So basically our defense would be trying to stop the running QB who cant pass worth a lick.

Thats a much easier task then trying to stop a passing game. I seriously doubt you have even watched Pryor play to make such an assumption to how we would of lost had Pryor played? I say it would of been worse had Pryor played.

Not gonna bust your balls about this response. It makes sense if you responded to it before you read the 2 after it. I was being sarcastic.

Ok no worries bro. LOL! Maybe I should of read the rest of the responses. LOL! My bad man. Just trying to defend our team is all.

[StorminMormon86]

Anyone else feel bad for Flynn? Or the Raiders organization for signing him?

[Burgundy&Wha?]

Anyone else feel bad for Flynn? Or the Raiders organization for signing him?

No. Regardless of play, he's getting paid handsomely. As for the Raiders, their lot is of their own choosing. Meh.

[StorminMormon86]

Anyone else feel bad for Flynn? Or the Raiders organization for signing him?

No. Regardless of play, he's getting paid handsomely. As for the Raiders, their lot is of their own choosing. Meh.

Good point. Forgot about that.

[Deadskins]

Anyone else feel bad for Flynn? Or the Raiders organization for signing him?

I remember a lot of folks around here saying we should sign Flynn and save our draft picks for other positions.

[riggofan]

Anyone else feel bad for Flynn? Or the Raiders organization for signing him?

I remember a lot of folks around here saying we should sign Flynn and save our draft picks for other positions.

"You're welcome" - Coach Shanahan.

[Deadskins]

From the pages of the Chicago Tribune:

Bears lose Jay Cutler to injury, fall to Redskins 45-41
Bears linebacker Lance Briggs and cornerback Charles Tillman also injured

By Rich Campbell, Chicago Tribune reporter
6:11 a.m. CDT, October 21, 2013

LANDOVER, Md. — Josh McCown pulled on the gray jacket of his slim-fitting suit, tightened his navy tie and slid on his brown wingtip shoes without tying the laces. Jay Cutler had been on the Bears' team bus for 15 minutes, having been transported there by cart because of his injured groin. McCown, then, hurried off to complete the game-day duties of a Bears quarterback.

With the poise of an 11-year veteran, McCown explained to reporters his role in the Bears' 45-41 loss to the Redskins. In that 10-minute exchange, he epitomized a team that limped home dogged by uncertainty.

McCown was pleased by his teammates' effort, hopeful for some auspicious medical examinations this week and resigned to the fact his performance was not good enough to win Sunday.

"All the things that we want to do, as far as the team, are still in front of us," McCown said. "I think we've just got to take our break, get healthy, some of these guys on defense get a little bit more healthy and see where we are."

And with that, the Bears retreated to their week off with a pile of rubble to sift through.

In losing for the third time in their last four games, the defense surrendered 499 yards to a Redskins team that entered with a 1-4 record. The Redskins drove at least 74 yards for each of their five touchdowns.

"We've got to do better," defensive end Corey Wootton said. "This is the one that's really frustrating."

Injuries continued to accumulate. Redskins running back Roy Helu scored the decisive touchdown run with 45 seconds left, while Bears linebacker Lance Briggs (left shoulder) and cornerback Charles Tillman (right knee) were on the sideline.

For all the injuries and breakdowns on defense, though, Cutler's injury cast the greatest shadow. He is scheduled for an MRI exam Monday. Some of his teammates feared an extended absence, but coach Marc Trestman clung to optimism because Cutler did not suffer a joint or ligament injury.

"It's not a knee," Trestman said. "It's not an ankle. It's not a hip. It's just a groin injury."

Trestman, though, said he did not have a sense of how serious the injury is, despite the fact Cutler could not stand upright while limping to the locker room.

"Just going to wait and see what the doctors say," Trestman said.

The Bears, however, did start planning for life without Cutler. Free-agent quarterback Jordan Palmer, who was with the Bears for part of the preseason, is scheduled to visit Halas Hall on Monday, he said in a phone conversation.

Cutler left the game at the 9:47 mark of the second quarter after Redskins defensive lineman Chris Baker looped around right guard on a stunt and sacked him. He stayed down and immediately grabbed his left thigh and hip area.

On the play, defensive end Kedric Golston engaged right guard Kyle Long and pushed inside, while Baker looped around from the right. Normally, Long would have passed Golston off to center Roberto Garza, but Garza was occupied by blitzing linebacker London Fletcher.

"It's an impossible play to pick up," Long said.

Long alleged that Golston held his jersey to prevent him from getting off the block. That, however, was not evident from the television broadcast.

"That's a technique they use," he said. "I'll have to look at the film, but I definitely felt like I was held. It's something that we knew coming in."

McCown said he was "bummed" for his friend Cutler, but he kept the Bears in the game. Trestman called several quick passes to the perimeter, which not only were part of the original game plan for Cutler, but they also helped McCown get acclimated in his first regular-season game since the 2011 season finale.

"When you pick the ball up and throw it as a quarterback — and you complete it — you start to feel a good rhythm happening. We executed those well, and that's what I'm pleased about, but it certainly helps you getting in a rhythm."

McCown completed 14 of 20 passes for 204 yards, including a 7-yard touchdown pass to tight end Martellus Bennett that gave the Bears a 41-38 lead with 3:57 to play.

The defense, however, collapsed. The Redskins marched 80 yards in 12 plays, converting three third downs on the way and casting doubt on where the Bears' season is headed.

"They had to drive the whole field, and they drove it on us," Wootton said. "We have to stop them. It was on us, and we didn't come through."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/fo ... 1915.story

[Deadskins]

And from the Chicago Sun-Times:

Bears lose Jay Cutler, back-and-forth game to Redskins, 45-41
BY PATRICK FINLEY Staff Reporter October 20, 2013 1:40PM

LANDOVER, Md. — When Jay Cutler writhed in pain on the FedEx Field turf in the second quarter Sunday, gusts of wind could have been mistaken for the gasps of Bears faithful back home.

“Obviously,” guard Kyle Long said, “there’s an initial panic when you’re out there and No. 6 is on the ground.”

Panic? The Bears lost more than Sunday’s game, 45-41, to the 2-4 Redskins. They lost momentum, and now enter the bye week at 4-3.

They lost, at various points in the game, Brandon Marshall, Lance Briggs and Charles Tillman, to injury.

And they lost Cutler, who rolled over on top of Chris Baker during the defensive end’s first career sack in the second quarter.

Cutler’s groin was X-rayed Sunday and will receive an MRI Monday.

“He’s a tough competitor, so when you see him down and he stays down, you know it’s something serious,” wideout Earl Bennett said.

One indication of how serious: the Bears will sign Jordan Palmer, a veteran quarterback they cut in camp.

The line between a Cutler strain and a tear appears to be the same size as the Bears’ playoff aspirations, though backup Josh McCown did his best in front of 83,147 fans.

He went 14-for-20 for 204 yards and one touchdown, and led the Bears to 24 second-half points.

“I was bummed,” he said. “I said a prayer, grabbed my helmet, got some throws in and got ready to play.”

Matt Forte ran for three touchdowns, the most gaudy a 50-yarder in the third quarter where his jump-cut juked De Angelo Hall.

The Redskins’ Roy Helu, Jr., had three rushing scores of his own, including a three-yard game-winner with 45 seconds to play to cap a 80-yard, 12-play drive.

“They made more plays than we did today,” Bears middle linebacker Jon Bostic said.

In the second quarter, Devin Hester returned a punt 81 yards for a score to help shake off the cobwebs of Cutler’s injury and knot the game. Brian Orakpo’s 29-yard interception return off Alshon Jeffery’s tip had given the Redskins a 17-10 lead.

“The words ‘Keep believing’ kept floating around in the huddle,” Marshall said.

With the Bears defense depleted, Robert Griffin III led the Redskins to touchdowns on four of his last six drives. The quarterback went 18-for-29 for 298 yards and two scores, and had 84 yards on 11 carries.

The Bears and Redskins traded touchdowns in the first four minutes of the fourth quarter, with Aldrick Robinson’s 45-yard catch of an arcing pass countering Forte’s six-yard run.

Robbie Gould’s 49-yard field goal pulled the Bears within four. They attempted and recovered an onside kick, but the play was called back when Eric Weems was ruled offside.

The Bears then forced a punt, and McCown marched 67 yards, throwing a seven-yard scoring pass to Martellus Bennett to take a 41-38 lead with 3:57 to play.

Griffin said the Redskins “had to win a shootout,” and they did on the last drive.

“Guys get paid to get up and dust themselves off,” Marshall said.

Cutler will learn soon enough if he’ll have the chance.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football ... 45-41.html

[emoses14]

This thread is too short. Needs more wins.

[rskin72]

This thread is too short. Needs more wins.

+1