RG3 can't be the same player with a knee brace

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:48 am

SkinsJock wrote:I am not a Mike Shanahan fan ... but ... what he's done here with Bruce AND as the HC, is incredibly good - I would argue that there is nobody in the NFL today that could have turned this franchise around as he has done

This is year 4 in his 5 year plan, and in those 4 years he has a losing record. Our defense has been putrid since the switch (and Haslett), and Shanahan has made some questionable decisions (riding out a season with Grossman and Beck, not taking Griffin out of the Seahawks game). This is a far cry from turning the franchise around.

DaSkinz Baby · Post by **DaSkinz Baby** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:01 am

SkinsJock wrote:^^ - I think you'll find that a lot of what you posted is incorrect ...

we don't know what Cowher might have done or if he could have 'persuaded' Snyder to step aside ... Marty was a pretty 'strong' guy and he could not ...

Mike and Bruce set about changing just about everything here and then got screwed last year (and this) by Goodell and Mara

this franchise is the defending NFC East champions - last year we started 3-6 ... things don't look great but the season has 14 games left and we have a HC & GM in place that are the best suited for this job ...

If Mike thought that Haslett was not the best to run the defense the way Mike wants it done, he would not be doing the job ...

you might be right about Mike and our team - I'm going to let the season play out a bunch more before I get too concerned ...

knee jerk reactions & bad FOs are the reason why certain franchises are historically not very successful ... like the eagles, raiders, jaguars and browns

Skinsjock I agree with your thoughts, however the one thing that rings loud is how you said "If Mike thought that Haslett was not the best to run the defense the way Mike wants it done, he would not be doing the job ..." That is exactly my strongest point of concern and hiring and running the defense the way he wants it done. To me that has always been Mike's downfall, his team have ALWAYS had bad defenses with the exception of the one year he had that Orange Crush Defense that we destroyed in the Super Bowl. I think Mike is the LAST PERSON to even want to have any input on how to run or what it takes to run a defense. His whole tenure is what I think is a RED FLAG on that side of the ball.....You don't agree???

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:05 am

DaSkinz Baby wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:^^ - I think you'll find that a lot of what you posted is incorrect ...

we don't know what Cowher might have done or if he could have 'persuaded' Snyder to step aside ... Marty was a pretty 'strong' guy and he could not ...

Mike and Bruce set about changing just about everything here and then got screwed last year (and this) by Goodell and Mara

this franchise is the defending NFC East champions - last year we started 3-6 ... things don't look great but the season has 14 games left and we have a HC & GM in place that are the best suited for this job ...

If Mike thought that Haslett was not the best to run the defense the way Mike wants it done, he would not be doing the job ...

you might be right about Mike and our team - I'm going to let the season play out a bunch more before I get too concerned ...

knee jerk reactions & bad FOs are the reason why certain franchises are historically not very successful ... like the eagles, raiders, jaguars and browns
Skinsjock I agree with your thoughts, however the one thing that rings loud is how you said "If Mike thought that Haslett was not the best to run the defense the way Mike wants it done, he would not be doing the job ..." That is exactly my strongest point of concern and hiring and running the defense the way he wants it done. To me that has always been Mike's downfall, his team have ALWAYS had bad defenses with the exception of the one year he had that Orange Crush Defense that we destroyed in the Super Bowl. I think Mike is the LAST PERSON to even want to have any input on how to run or what it takes to run a defense. His whole tenure is what I think is a RED FLAG on that side of the ball.....You don't agree???

Shanhan was not a member of the Denver coaching staff (certainly not its head coach, that was Dan Reeves) when we beat them in the 87(88?) Superbowl.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:11 am

DaSkinz Baby wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:^^ - I think you'll find that a lot of what you posted is incorrect ...

we don't know what Cowher might have done or if he could have 'persuaded' Snyder to step aside ... Marty was a pretty 'strong' guy and he could not ...

Mike and Bruce set about changing just about everything here and then got screwed last year (and this) by Goodell and Mara

this franchise is the defending NFC East champions - last year we started 3-6 ... things don't look great but the season has 14 games left and we have a HC & GM in place that are the best suited for this job ...

If Mike thought that Haslett was not the best to run the defense the way Mike wants it done, he would not be doing the job ...

you might be right about Mike and our team - I'm going to let the season play out a bunch more before I get too concerned ...

knee jerk reactions & bad FOs are the reason why certain franchises are historically not very successful ... like the eagles, raiders, jaguars and browns
Skinsjock I agree with your thoughts, however the one thing that rings loud is how you said "If Mike thought that Haslett was not the best to run the defense the way Mike wants it done, he would not be doing the job ..." That is exactly my strongest point of concern and hiring and running the defense the way he wants it done. To me that has always been Mike's downfall, his team have ALWAYS had bad defenses with the exception of the one year he had that Orange Crush Defense that we destroyed in the Super Bowl. I think Mike is the LAST PERSON to even want to have any input on how to run or what it takes to run a defense. His whole tenure is what I think is a RED FLAG on that side of the ball.....You don't agree???

Shanhan was not a member of the Denver coaching staff (certainly not its head coach, that was Dan Reeves) when we beat them in the 87(88?) Superbowl.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:22 am

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Skinsjock I agree with your thoughts, however the one thing that rings loud is how you said "If Mike thought that Haslett was not the best to run the defense the way Mike wants it done, he would not be doing the job ..." That is exactly my strongest point of concern and hiring and running the defense the way he wants it done. To me that has always been Mike's downfall, his team have ALWAYS had bad defenses with the exception of the one year he had that Orange Crush Defense that we destroyed in the Super Bowl. I think Mike is the LAST PERSON to even want to have any input on how to run or what it takes to run a defense. His whole tenure is what I think is a RED FLAG on that side of the ball.....You don't agree???

I'll repeat that I'm not a fan of Mike as HC ... however, I have to give him credit (as HC) for what he's been able to do here ...

I have some reservations about Haslett ... however ... he also gets a little 'credit' for being a part of the 7-0 run last year ... without some key players
we are not as bad defensively, as we have looked - I think the offense kicking into gear will help on that side of the ball as well

we all saw that the eagles, who looked awesome against us, are not near as good as they think they are ...
I still think they end up last in the NFC East

IMHO - we are a better team than last year and the giants and pukes have more concerns than we do

DaSkinz Baby · Post by **DaSkinz Baby** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:35 am

SkinsJock wrote:
DaSkinz Baby wrote:Skinsjock I agree with your thoughts, however the one thing that rings loud is how you said "If Mike thought that Haslett was not the best to run the defense the way Mike wants it done, he would not be doing the job ..." That is exactly my strongest point of concern and hiring and running the defense the way he wants it done. To me that has always been Mike's downfall, his team have ALWAYS had bad defenses with the exception of the one year he had that Orange Crush Defense that we destroyed in the Super Bowl. I think Mike is the LAST PERSON to even want to have any input on how to run or what it takes to run a defense. His whole tenure is what I think is a RED FLAG on that side of the ball.....You don't agree???
I'll repeat that I'm not a fan of Mike as HC ... however, I have to give him credit (as HC) for what he's been able to do here ...

I have some reservations about Haslett ... however ... he also gets a little 'credit' for being a part of the 7-0 run last year ... without some key players
we are not as bad defensively, as we have looked - I think the offense kicking into gear will help on that side of the ball as well

we all saw that the eagles, who looked awesome against us, are not near as good as they think they are ...
I still think they end up last in the NFC East

IMHO - we are a better team than last year and the giants and pukes have more concerns than we do

I hope and pray your right, cause after watching that game last night if Philly looked that bad and looked like world beaters against us, I hope we really don't suck as bad as initially thought...I would be on a suicide watch come late October

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:40 am

we're not near as bad as you're afraid of and we're only 2 games into the season ...

I have not seen anything that changes my mind about the NFC East - we are the best and the eagles are the worst ... that offense, with Vick, is not going to get them very far

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:09 am

StorminMormon86 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I am not a Mike Shanahan fan ... but ... what he's done here with Bruce AND as the HC, is incredibly good - I would argue that there is nobody in the NFL today that could have turned this franchise around as he has done
This is year 4 in his 5 year plan, and in those 4 years he has a losing record. Our defense has been putrid since the switch (and Haslett), and Shanahan has made some questionable decisions (riding out a season with Grossman and Beck, not taking Griffin out of the Seahawks game). This is a far cry from turning the franchise around.

huh? Riding out a season with Grossman and Beck was one of the best decisions he made. What should he have done? Drafted Blaine Gabbert?

The answer at QB was not there that year. That's something we can see clearly in hindsight as much as it sucked to have Rex and Bex at QB.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:11 am

riggofan wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I am not a Mike Shanahan fan ... but ... what he's done here with Bruce AND as the HC, is incredibly good - I would argue that there is nobody in the NFL today that could have turned this franchise around as he has done
This is year 4 in his 5 year plan, and in those 4 years he has a losing record. Our defense has been putrid since the switch (and Haslett), and Shanahan has made some questionable decisions (riding out a season with Grossman and Beck, not taking Griffin out of the Seahawks game). This is a far cry from turning the franchise around.
huh? Riding out a season with Grossman and Beck was one of the best decisions he made. What should he have done? Drafted Blaine Gabbert?

The answer at QB was not there that year. That's something we can see clearly in hindsight as much as it sucked to have Rex and Bex at QB.

You misunderstood. He said he staked his reputation on both of them. Yes it was smart of him to not draft a QB that year (the draft class was horrid), but that's still a far cry from turning the franchise around simply because he held off drafting Blaine Gabbert.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:29 am

where we are at the end of 2012 is NFC East Champions ...

where we were at the beginning of the Bruce and Mike era to winning the NFC East and having one of the most exciting QBs to ever play in the NFL is just amazing

in the NFL it's not so important how you start the season but how you finish it - IMO - we win the NfC East again - we're in the playoffs ... gotta love it

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:32 am

SkinsJock wrote:where we are at the end of 2012 is NFC East Champions ...

where we were at the beginning of the Bruce and Mike era to winning the NFC East and having one of the most exciting QBs to ever play in the NFL is just amazing

in the NFL it's not so important how you start the season but how you finish it - IMO - we win the NfC East again - we're in the playoffs ... gotta love it

I like your optimism, and yes it is a long season, but until our offense scores a TD (or even a FG) in the first half and our defense quits giving up over 500 yards a game I can't be anything but pessimistic at this point.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:21 pm

DaSkinz Baby wrote:I also think that many people don't understand that he had surgery on BOTH his knee's, the one with the actual injury and then they opened the other one to TAKE A LIGAMENT!!

And from this quote it's easy to see you don't understand the surgery that was actually performed or the healing process. They didn't take a ligament from his left knee, they took a portion of his patella tendon (which regrows, albeit with scar tissue) from his left knee. And the time for the graft to take (become 100%) is only about 6 months. The real issue is in returning strength to the muscles surrounding the knee that provide stability to the joint. This is why athletes usually don't come back from this injury so quickly. Redeveloping that strength takes a while, and the mental side of trusting the knee again also lengthens the recovery period.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:42 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote: ... until our offense scores a TD (or even a FG) in the first half and our defense quits giving up over 500 yards a game I can't be anything but pessimistic ....

even when this team is playing well, we have a few fans (like you) that always seem to find something to be pessimistic and complain about ...

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:30 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote: ... until our offense scores a TD (or even a FG) in the first half and our defense quits giving up over 500 yards a game I can't be anything but pessimistic ....
even when this team is playing well, we have a few fans (like you) that always seem to find something to be pessimistic and complain about ...

BS

I'm Captain Happy when we're winning. Maybe Griffin should change his hairdo?

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:44 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote: ... until our offense scores a TD (or even a FG) in the first half and our defense quits giving up over 500 yards a game I can't be anything but pessimistic ....
even when this team is playing well, we have a few fans (like you) that always seem to find something to be pessimistic and complain about ...
BS

I'm Captain Happy when we're winning. Maybe Griffin should change his hairdo?

now why does that not surprise me - another fair weather fan - at least you're honest about it

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:48 am

SkinsJock wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote: even when this team is playing well, we have a few fans (like you) that always seem to find something to be pessimistic and complain about ...
BS

I'm Captain Happy when we're winning. Maybe Griffin should change his hairdo?
now why does that not surprise me - another fair weather fan - at least you're honest about it

Yes I'm a fair weather fan because I hate being 0-3 right now.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:02 am

StorminMormon86 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote: BS

I'm Captain Happy when we're winning. Maybe Griffin should change his hairdo?
now why does that not surprise me - another fair weather fan - at least you're honest about it
Yes I'm a fair weather fan because I hate being 0-3 right now.

Mondays after Redskins losses suck. Our first win can't come soon enough.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:12 am

I just wish next Sunday was here already. It's going to be a long week.

SKINS#1 · Post by **SKINS#1** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:50 am

Garcon continues to say RGIII is not 100%. “I don’t think [Griffin’s] 100 percent, but he’s definitely giving 100 percent effort to get 100 percent,” Garçon said. “He will eventually get there. He’s just playing with injuries.

I thought Shanahan said he would not play until he was 100%.

http://news.fredericksburg.com/sports/2 ... t-himself/

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:54 am

SKINS#1 wrote:Garcon continues to say RGIII is not 100%. “I don’t think [Griffin’s] 100 percent, but he’s definitely giving 100 percent effort to get 100 percent,” Garçon said. “He will eventually get there. He’s just playing with injuries.

I thought Shanahan said he would not play until he was 100%.

http://news.fredericksburg.com/sports/2 ... t-himself/

Whatever... no player is ever 100%. Doesn't happen. There is only "close enough".

Bob is "close enough".

DaSkinz Baby · Post by **DaSkinz Baby** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:31 am

My question is if the knee is 100% as we are being told aren't there other knee braces out there that aren't as big and cumbersome as the huge one he currently wears? Why can't he change braces to a compression brace with the smaller metal supports on each side of the knee???

DaSkinz Baby · Post by **DaSkinz Baby** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:33 pm

I have also noticed. RG3 complained so much publicly during the offseason that he is now running the team. If Shanny sits him, then RG3 will whine and complain and tweet and pout and be a complete and total distraction to the team.

All offseason, RG3 would talk about "my teammates know how hard I have worked". He uses the term "I" constantly when there is success. During the postgame press conference today, he was asked about the interception and fumble and his response was "we need to find a way to make those plays'. Funny how the "I' changed to "we" when it wasn't about glory and success

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:36 pm

How long before the KNEE BRACE is gone?

1 game, 6 games, next year?

Anybody?

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:29 pm

I thought they had said he would be wearing it all year.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:05 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:I thought they had said he would be wearing it all year.

to be specific - RG3 wanted to remove all doubt about the brace ... he said he was very comfortable wearing it and as it does not affect his play, he would keep it on for this season ..