yupchagee wrote:An effective hurry up requires a QB with some smarts.
Agree with this and SJ's comment as well. This is all I can think about when I hear Vick is going to be running this offense. For all of this talents, he is still good for a couple bonehead plays a game. Hanging on to the ball too long, throwing picks instead of throwing the ball away, etc;
I think Kelly will have a little advantage going into that game in that we can't know exactly what to expect. You could probably say the same thing about us with RGIII though.
... not to mentions the new skins blitz packages we have yet to see
Truth! Rak AND Kerrigan AND our secondary doesn't look like a complete disaster this season. Better strap that helmet on extra tight, Vick.
welch wrote:How is the Eagles hurry-up offense different than the one Richie Petibon stopped in SB 26?
This has been my point all along.
DarthMonk wrote:I'd say we can be aggressive against a hurry up. Turn LeSean McCoy into a blocking back like we did Thurman Thomas in the Super Bowl against the, ahem, "K-gun." Turn hungry extra LBs loose on blitz packages we've not shown yet - again, like in that Super Bowl.
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welch wrote:How is the Eagles hurry-up offense different than the one Richie Petibon stopped in SB 26?
OTOH... I don't see Richie Pettibon on the Redskins sidelines...
Not that it will change the outcome... I think they will handle the Eagles, as long as they can slow down shady.
Ah, Richie...if only...
I remember that Petibon prepared against the Redskins offense. Gibbs installed the hurry-up, saying that the players, especially the re-fashioned Hogs, were so experienced and so smart that he could install any offense in a week.
Then Petibon practiced getting his player changes.
In the game, Petibon was mixing his defense just as usual, and Gibbs even ran the hurry-up a few times...and baffled the all-star Buffalo defense.
Think a huge factor will be if we hang a large lead on the beagles early.....have them play in that hurry up offense from behind. Also, this will be their first game with new coaching staff, vice our team having been with same coaching staff for several seasons now. If the beagles will be dangerous in this "new" offense, I see that later in the season vice game one.
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welch wrote:How is the Eagles hurry-up offense different than the one Richie Petibon stopped in SB 26?
Not that it will change the outcome... I think they will handle the Eagles, as long as they can slow down shady.
Ah, Richie...if only...
I remember that Petibon prepared against the Redskins offense. Gibbs installed the hurry-up, saying that the players, especially the re-fashioned Hogs, were so experienced and so smart that he could install any offense in a week.
Then Petibon practiced getting his player changes.
In the game, Petibon was mixing his defense just as usual, and Gibbs even ran the hurry-up a few times...and baffled the all-star Buffalo defense.
sorry welch - that was then ... it was a great defense ... but ..
Kelly is trying to run a very different type of offense ... we just have a much quicker defense in place here now - even quicker (not better) than those days
AND
Vick is not the QB he used to be and he's not had much success against us recently
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
I think Petibon's idea would work again. By the way, no defense had tried Petibon's "make our own changes quicker" against the Bills hurry-up.
As best I remember:
(1) Gibbs installed the hurry-up
(2) Gibbs and Petibon took a stop-watch, figured out how much time the defense had to make their package changes
(3) Defense ("The National Defense") practiced making changes within that time limit
(4) Redskins offense and defense practiced until the offense was as good as Buffalo at the no-huddle and the defense was fast enough to make the changes Petibon called.
- The no-huddle is a primitive offense.
- It has worked because defenses have not had the time to make personel changes and changes of defensive plays.
- If we can make our normal adjustments we can turn the game into a primitive offense against a complex defense.
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SKINS#1 wrote:I have read how the Eagles are improving with the hurry up offense with elapse time between plays in the 10-12 sec range. How do you think the defense will adapt to a faster pace, especially in 4th quarter?
I think this could cause problems for many teams as substitution could be limited.
I forget which game it was, but one game this preseason the NFL already told Chip Kelly he won't be able to run his offense at the pace he ran it at Oregon. They won't set the ball that fast. It will be closer to 15-18 seconds than 10-12. Still very, very fast but still a noticeable difference. Also, in preseason they didn't push that tempo every possession. They sometimes would get to the line and then do some checks with the sideline. I am more worried about Lesean McCoy, Desean Jackson, and company than I am the actual tempo.
Speak of coincidences, I am listening to the Herd right now and Peter King is talking about how sometimes the Eagles even slow it down to give their O-Line and other players a chance to catch their breath.
The Eagles will be a challenge, but remember that fast paced offense has its own issues. Not every fast drive ends with a touchdown. You'll see them put their defense in a few tough situations.
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DarthMonk wrote:football has changed less than we often think.
+1
I don't think the game has 'changed' per se ... IMO the players are a lot faster on both sides and the offensive and defensive schemes have adapted to that
"hurry up" offenses as run by the Bills Kelly and others do not really compare to those run by Brady and Manning
PLUS
Vick is not the QB he used to be and he and Kelly will have a hard time with Haslett's scheming
Petibon was a good defensive mind for that time and against those offenses - the game has evolved not changed
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
We cannot be the Redskins of old that start slow. We need to pick up where we left off. 28 points, every game. Consistency, Health and explosiveness.
Last year Mike changed something that irked me from the Gibbs era. We keep our foot on the pedal. Up by 10 points? We don't go into run-the-clock mode in the 2nd quarter. The Thanksgiving game was a prime example, Dallas closed a wide gap but it was too much.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:We win this game if we put up points.
We cannot be the Redskins of old that start slow. We need to pick up where we left off. 28 points, every game. Consistency, Health and explosiveness.
Last year Mike changed something that irked me from the Gibbs era. We keep our foot on the pedal. Up by 10 points? We don't go into run-the-clock mode in the 2nd quarter. The Thanksgiving game was a prime example, Dallas closed a wide gap but it was too much.
I agree that this was the most annoying thing about the 2nd gibbs era. Particularly, when I distinctly remember the exact opposite during the 1st one. He routinely would have his team come out and step on the other's throat in the 3rd quarter, on both sides of the ball. I recall this being the hallmark of those teams (particularly the '91 team).
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
If you get your foot on their throat... step harder.
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- Redskins offense learns and runs the hurry-up offense
- Skins defense practices against it and learns weakness
- Redskins swift defense appears to shift players to different roles; entire defense shifts
- Hurry-up with Jim Kelley or Chip Kelly depends on attacking a passive defense. Redskins defense did the attacking in SB 26; planning and practicing to attack in 2013.
^^ I agree - but ... this defense is run by Haslett with guys that have to cope with a faster offense than those guys did ...
that defense was good against what they were facing - this group of defensive players would dominate that offense - they are just a better/faster group than those guys
that was then - this is now - everything is MUCH faster today
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
^ the principles are the same... the only difference is that the players are faster ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL... that sounds like a wash...
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Countertrey wrote:^ the principles are the same... the only difference is that the players are faster ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL... that sounds like a wash...
Countertrey wrote:^ the principles are the same... the only difference is that the players are faster ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL... that sounds like a wash...
Sounds like the Redskins are well-prepared.
agreed - from all reports Haslett has added some new 'ideas' to create even more pressure than has been seen to date
Vick has not done well against us recently and I look for that trend to continue on Monday night
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Our defensive line vs Eagles Oline. I think we hold the advantage. I am counting Rak and Kerrigan as down lineman as well because if its a run play they act as defensive ends and the NT, LDE and RDE act as interior DTs.
I am obviously biast but I dont think I am streching the truth by saying our front seven is formidable. Considering teams did not fare well with the run against us. Our weakness last year was the secondary we all know.
I really think our draft and Merriwhether healing up should help plug those holes.
Still I think Mike Vick in Chip Kellys offense is a perfect marriage. Vick may not be as accurate as Griff but he can run just as good if not better. I am not sold on Phillies Oline yet we will have to see. I think we will see mirror images of ourselves in the Eagles offense. Other then our Oline being better and RG3 being more accurate which is a huge difference. Its going to be an interesting game to say the least.
HEROHAMO wrote:Our defensive line vs Eagles Oline. I think we hold the advantage. I am counting Rak and Kerrigan as down lineman as well because if its a run play they act as defensive ends and the NT, LDE and RDE act as interior DTs.
I am obviously biast but I dont think I am streching the truth by saying our front seven is formidable. Considering teams did not fare well with the run against us. Our weakness last year was the secondary we all know. I really think our draft and Merriwhether healing up should help plug those holes.
Still I think Mike Vick in Chip Kellys offense is a perfect marriage. Vick may not be as accurate as Griff but he can run just as good if not better. I am not sold on Phillies Oline yet we will have to see. I think we will see mirror images of ourselves in the Eagles offense. Other then our Oline being better and RG3 being more accurate which is a huge difference. Its going to be an interesting game to say the least.
I think his problems will be more mental than physical.
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