lets break down the DB depth...

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:54 pm

I'm going on record here as good as anywhere
Merriweather
Rambo
Is Tanard coming back?
Doughtey
Pugh > Gomes

... And cb is as follows:
Wilson
Hall
Amerson/Minnifield to close to call after thi.king about it.. Amerson probably spells the outside cb and Minnifield the slot guy both rotate at nickel...
Biggers and Murphey fighting to make the final spot

I'm big on Murphey and would probably be the only person NOT surprised to see him make the squad. It's an up hill battle w all the depth, but losing Crawford opened the door for Murphey IMO- you heard it here first!

SKINS#1 · Post by **SKINS#1** » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:41 pm

I'm going on record here as good as anywhere
Merriweather
Rambo
Is Tanard coming back?
Doughtey
Pugh > Gomes

... And cb is as follows:
Wilson
Hall
Amerson/Minnifield to close to call after thi.king about it.. Amerson probably spells the outside cb and Minnifield the slot guy both rotate at nickel...
Biggers and Murphey fighting to make the final spot

Looks good - with Tanard being a big question. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see Amerson and Minnifield starting before year end.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:13 pm

TJax is as good as gone. I'll take grooming a guy instead of giving this guy chance after chance after chance. He blew it and these guys have upside.

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:57 am

Murphy is looking good on special teams too. I'd say that raises his stock...hope he makes it.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:00 am

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:Murphy is looking good on special teams too. I'd say that raises his stock...hope he makes it.

That's what I've been sayin man!

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:08 am

frankcal20 wrote:TJax is as good as gone. I'll take grooming a guy instead of giving this guy chance after chance after chance. He blew it and these guys have upside.

While I understand the sentiment, we are not in a postion to dismiss contributors. If Rambo goes down, we're worse off at FS than last year.

Tanard will be evaluated and more than likely brought back into the fold for this season.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:09 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:TJax is as good as gone. I'll take grooming a guy instead of giving this guy chance after chance after chance. He blew it and these guys have upside.
While I understand the sentiment, we are not in a postion to dismiss contributors. If Rambo goes down, we're worse off at FS than last year.

Tanard will be evaluated and more than likely brought back into the fold for this season.

The only thing that bothers me about that idea is the unknown of just what kind of shape (actual physical, football general and our defense specifically) Jackson will be in. I seem to recall him looking pretty good prior to his suspension last offseason, so I guess he knows a good part of the defense. But what I do not know is whether he was allowed to keep his old playbook, get an updated one for this season (I know they aren't allowed to contact him, but does that mean he can not receive or keep a playbook?) or, most importantly, when he's even going to be reinstated (for purposes of evaluation and time to get up to speed w/r/t to that point in the season. Meaning, can we afford to wait and not have someone else being groomed from jump?

So I'm not against him for the 9 strikes you're out reason (though I don't disagree with that idea), but am pessimistic about what that evaluation will reveal.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:13 am

emoses14 wrote: The only thing that bothers me about that idea is the unknown of what the hell kind of shape (actual physical, football general and our defense specifically). I seem to recall him looking pretty damn good prior to his suspension last offseason, so I guess he knows a good part of the defense, but what I do not know is whether he was allowed to keep his playbook, get an updated one for this season (I know they aren't allowed to contact him, but does that mean he can not receive or keep a playbook?).

So I'm not against him for the 9 strikes you're out reason (though I don't disagree with that idea), but am pessimistic about what that evaluation will reveal.

- The team will have 6 weeks to evaluate and reintegrate him.
- They'll work him hard, get him into shape. I'd hope he'd start ramping up his training on his own beforehand.
- He knows the system, he knows Raheem... He'll pick up the X's and O's quick.
- He'll be Rambo's backup. He'll play special teams. He'll have more than 6 weeks to work back into shape.
- If the Rambo experiment fails, we'll fall back on Tanard.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:20 am

I wish I could be more confident about our DBs - there's 2 things we can look forward to .....

the secondary play will be better than last season ...

and

improved play from the front 7 will help ...

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:29 am

SkinsJock wrote:I wish I could be more confident about our DBs - there's 2 things we can look forward to .....

the secondary play will be better than last season ...

and

improved play from the front 7 will help ...

- Well, you should find comfort in an improved pass rush. Orakpo, Jenkins, Tapp...

- Find comfort in improved cornerback depth.

- Find hope

, in the return of Meriweather.

- Find comfort in Doughty being his backup.

- I'm afraid of the FS position, lmao.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:33 am

SkinsJock wrote:I wish I could be more confident about our DBs - there's 2 things we can look forward to .....

the secondary play will be better than last season ...

and

improved play from the front 7 will help ...

I think you can take solace in the fact that at the least, this secondary should be really good in the latter half of the season, maybe even from the bye, on (barring catastrophic injury).

I think Rambo has shown an intelligence, willingness and "not-make-the-same-mistake-twiceness" that will have us soon forgetting his tackling issues in the 1st 2 preseason games. Already saw vast improvement in BIlls game. Amerson and Minnifield both show tremendous upside (and nastiness! Them boys like to hit) that shouldn't take long to pay off. I actually really like both hall and wilson, particularly when they've got competent safety help. My biggest concern (no, really) is the ability of Merriweather to be ready by Philly. I love/hate Reed, so i'm OK/terrified of the prospect of him starting/playing for an extended stretch of a, or multiple game(s). If the young guys continue to come on as they seem to be doing and/or exponentially, our secondary is gonna go from ? to crazy good, fast.

Yes, i've purposely left out the impact of the front 7 in the above, because I only think that enhances the above. I think the D could be better than the O as early as week 12-13. Definitely by next year, the all important 5th year under Shanahan.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:46 am

we do have some young guys that can step up and will become a better group than we've seen recently - face it, any improvement will be good

I'm looking for the D to be a big surprise for us this year - I think they may end up being a force towards the end of the season

44diesel · Post by **44diesel** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:27 pm

http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/8/30/4675 ... -breakdown
Here's a good article that breaksdown Bacarri Rambo's improvement throughout preseaon.
It looks like he's been working hard at correcting his angles and hopefully as the season progresses things will slow down for him even more.

The defense has looked really good this preseason. Although stats don't mean much (and are about to get reset to 0) the Skins held opponents to just 474 yds (avg 3.9yds), 10/50 on 3rd down, and are +2 in turnovers in four games.

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:46 pm

emoses14 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:TJax is as good as gone. I'll take grooming a guy instead of giving this guy chance after chance after chance. He blew it and these guys have upside.
While I understand the sentiment, we are not in a postion to dismiss contributors. If Rambo goes down, we're worse off at FS than last year.

Tanard will be evaluated and more than likely brought back into the fold for this season.
The only thing that bothers me about that idea is the unknown of just what kind of shape (actual physical, football general and our defense specifically) Jackson will be in. I seem to recall him looking pretty good prior to his suspension last offseason, so I guess he knows a good part of the defense. But what I do not know is whether he was allowed to keep his old playbook, get an updated one for this season (I know they aren't allowed to contact him, but does that mean he can not receive or keep a playbook?) or, most importantly, when he's even going to be reinstated (for purposes of evaluation and time to get up to speed w/r/t to that point in the season. Meaning, can we afford to wait and not have someone else being groomed from jump?

So I'm not against him for the 9 strikes you're out reason (though I don't disagree with that idea), but am pessimistic about what that evaluation will reveal.

Has T-Jack been reinstated by Roger?

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:55 pm

yupchagee wrote: Has T-Jack been reinstated by Roger?

NOPE

fredp45 · Post by **fredp45** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:07 pm

After following the NFL and the Skins for more than 40 years...I've identified a phenomenon that occurs, with me, and I believe, all fans and that is -- "higher than they deserve" evaluations on rookies and new players that play for OUR team...

Is it, hope? Is it, we know them really well as we watch them closely?

In any event, I'm leary of naming Rambo the starter and a pro bowl player!!

I'm not even remotely convinced we have ANYONE on our team today that is even close to the talent level of TJax...assuming he's healthy, not smoking doobies, in shape, etc...

Rambo might be good, he might be a good 2nd teamer, but remember, he's a rookie and I'm pretty sure he'll get beat this year a few times, and it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't lose a couple games, vs. the Giants, Cowboys, Packers or Broncos (teams with good qb's). It's too early to assess him and wayyyy too early to stamp him a stud player.

If TJax comes back 6 weeks from now in shape, there is NO way Rambo, or anyone else on our roster beats him out at FS. He was our best DB last year in preseason, not even close.

This isn't about growing a young guy, blah, blah, blah, Mike (and Danny Boy) wants to win and TJax gives us the best talent at FS. Hands down.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:46 pm

fredp45 wrote:it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't lose a couple games, vs. Packers or Broncos (teams with good qb's).

Fixed it for you...

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:08 pm

fredp45 wrote:After following the NFL and the Skins for more than 40 years...I've identified a phenomenon that occurs, with me, and I believe, all fans and that is -- "higher than they deserve" evaluations on rookies and new players that play for OUR team...

Is it, hope? Is it, we know them really well as we watch them closely?

I think it's hope, and there's nothing wrong with it.

In any event, I'm leary of naming Rambo the starter and a pro bowl player!!

Who called him a Pro Bowl player?

I'm not even remotely convinced we have ANYONE on our team today that is even close to the talent level of TJax...assuming he's healthy, not smoking doobies, in shape, etc...

Don't underestimate how much rust has likely accumulated. Remember, the last game Jackson played in was nearly 2 years ago now. And he hasn't been training or conditioning with the Redskins in about a year. I don't care if he's been hitting the treadmill and weight bench every day; you can't replace the conditioning you get by working in practice and in games. And he hasn't been able to study under professional guidance, either. If he comes back and contributes at all this season as a starter, it will be a minor miracle.

Rambo might be good, he might be a good 2nd teamer, but remember, he's a rookie and I'm pretty sure he'll get beat this year a few times, and it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't lose a couple games, vs. the Giants, Cowboys, Packers or Broncos (teams with good qb's). It's too early to assess him and wayyyy too early to stamp him a stud player.

Again . . . who is calling him a stud player?

I don't think anyone is excited that we are going to have to start Rambo. It's pretty clear he's only getting a shot because we just have no other options. Still, I think we are slightly better off going into this season at DB than we were going into last season. There is some reason to have hope.

If TJax comes back 6 weeks from now in shape, there is NO way Rambo, or anyone else on our roster beats him out at FS. He was our best DB last year in preseason, not even close.

That was last year. This is the league of "what have you done for me lately?"