DaSkinz Baby wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:DaSkinz Baby wrote:So does this also mean that in late September if he isn't on the field and has made no contribution that I can call on your lack there of of credibility?? Let me guess this dude is so great that he is coming into camp, takes Fred Davis and Logan Paulsen's starting positions and has more special team savvy than Niles Paul. Let me guess this dude is Chris
ey 2.0 even though he hasn't played TE very long and has questionable attitude issues.......
Sure Shanahan has NEVER been wrong on picks EVER so his endorsement of this guy can't be questioned......
I'm disappointed in myself, because I'm shocked that you have the audacity to still be here defending this thread. That in the face of being 110% WRONG, you're still defending it.
So because you have some staff association with a Redskin message board you are now some Mike Mayock draft Guru? Until this Tight End is a starting TE on our roster and has done something I am not wrong. There are plenty of players that weren't even drafted that have the same upside as this dude, WITHOUT the baggage this dude brings. So when he takes Fred Davis and or Logan Paulsen's spot, and has a decent year then and only then am I wrong, 48 hours after a draft when he has done as much for the Redskins as Sammy Sausagehead
my opinion is just as valid as yours..........Stay in your lane man.........
You aren't stating an opinion:
An opinion is a judgment based on facts, an honest attempt to draw a reasonable conclusion from factual evidence. An opinion is potentially changeable--depending on how the evidence is interpreted. By themselves, opinions have little power to convince. You must always let your reader know what your evidence is and how it led you to arrive at your opinion.
Unlike an opinion, a belief is a conviction based on cultural or personal faith, morality, or values. They cannot be disproved or even contested in a rational or logical manner. Since beliefs are inarguable, they cannot serve as the thesis of a formal argument. (Emotional appeals can, of course, be useful if you happen to know that your audience shares those beliefs.)
Another kind of assertion that has no place in serious argumentation is prejudice, a half-baked opinion based on insufficient or unexamined evidence. Unlike a belief, a prejudice is testable: it can be contested and disproved on the basis of facts. We often form prejudices or accept them from others--family, friends, the media, etc.--without questioning their meaning or testing their truth. At best, prejudices are careless oversimplifications.
At best your stance on Reed is a belief and at worst it's a prejudice with respect to the pick of a TE YOU thought shouldn't be picked when he was for a myriad of reasons, at worse its a belief you have based on some sort of knee jerk emotional response. You had no factual basis for this "opinion"
DaSkinz Baby wrote:What a wasted pick. Jordan Reed another Tight End? Sorry I completely hate this pick. Fred Davis, Logan Paulsen, Niles Paul and now Jordan Reed.
I guess Shanny and Allen must have forgotten that we need a Safety and Bacarri Rambo was available. See this is the type of absolutely crazy nonsense crap the Redskins do that make me want to punch the people that make these retarded picks straight in the face.......
A. Waiting 36 hours would have saved you from starting this thread that you felel obligated to continue to defend, since we drafted your exalted choice for a 3rd round pick in the 6th round and got an arguably better safety in the 4th round, one round after Shanny and Allen allegedly forgot that we need a safety.
B. This type of absolutely crazy nonsense that they pull just netted us the Safety you wanted (at a reduced cost over 4 years to what you would have had us spend) and a great skill set TE whose biggest knock, according to you, is that he has an attitude problem. At 21. NO WAY that could be fixed!
DaSkinz Baby wrote:If the Redskins wanted to waste a pick on a slow ass Tight End they should have drafted the Tight End out of Maryland Matt Furstenburg, he is a much better pick than this bum who I have never heard of...........
Ahh, and now we come to the prejudice part of your thinking. You wanted a bum from Maryland (and by the way, all players at MD were bums, that's why there was only one invited to the combine and as best I can find only one drafted) who posted 16 passes for 202 yards and two touchdowns playing in the ACC over Reed, who played at Florida and posted 45 passes for 559 yards and three touchdowns playing in the SEC. And the basis for this "opinion" was the fact that you'd never heard of him. Wow.
. That's just good stuff.
DaSkinz Baby wrote:Seriously again atleast Furstenburg doesn't have attitude issues......So I don't agree with you regarding Furstenburg being a bum. It's not his fault the Head Coach is a bum.. Factually there is no way anyone can tell me that this was BPA. This is a wasted pick when there is a SEVERE and GLARING need for secondary help, we don't need 4 tight ends and I don't see this bum taking Fred, Logan or Nile's roster spot. So for me this is a nothing more than Camp Fodder and a wasted 3rd round pick.
Again, in response to me, your support for Furstenfrauburghoffer not being a bum is that he. doesn't. have. attitude. issues. AND that his coach was a bum. Guess he had attitude issues like Reed, huh? Now my favorite line, "Factually there is no way anyone can tell me that this was BPA". Bang up job with sticking your head in the sand there. I can't tell you he was the best player available. I really can't. Know who can?
Mike Shanahan wrote:We had him as the top receiving tight end. That’s one reason why we took him. We feel he has those intangibles, a lot like Aaron Hernandez.” Shanahan continued, “I’m not sure if Hernandez is that fast, but he has the ability to beat linebackers, defensive backs, he knows how to run routes, and Reed is very similar.
Listen, you can argue that Shanahan hasn't always hit on his draft picks. Perfectly fair, but what we can't argue on is that the determination of BPA rests in the hands of those who are actually studying these players. Clearly they ALONG WITH EVERY OTHER NFL TEAM TIMES AT LEAST 7, though Furstbergenhoffer from UMD was a bum because he wasn't drafted. He was signed as an UDFA by the ratbirds. FYI, joining a team in that regard has a far higher return rate in the bum category than 3rd round picks. I'm not looking that up, but am pretty sure i'm right.
Not touching on the repeat whining about not taking a safety at 3rd round slot because already addressed it above, and in your defense, you wrote the OP as a knee jerk reaction and were without the facts that we would take 2 safeties later. Which you acknowledge below:
DaSkinz Baby wrote:I understand your point of view no doubt. I have football vision and for me, it just seems more logical to draft safety, we have no way of knowing if Tanard Jackson will be re-instated, we have no clue if Merriweather will return to form and I see that potential to be more important than tight end, yes I know Fred is coming back from a major injury but Logan has proven himself and in thinking if we came into a situation where we actually needed another tight end I think Desmond Briscoe could suffice in a pinch. I mean maybe this guy is going to be a good one and allow us to let Fred Davis go next year, but for me, this salary cap penalty mixed in with our safety issue would be my main focus. I am not trying to be a homer or hype, I am looking how we had the Giants beat last year and we lost because we had crappy safeties, and our defensive ranking as a direct result of our lack of safeties......Nothing more my friend
Sounds like you had a chance to catch your breath by now. If you'd have come out with this in the OP, my suspicion is that you would never have felt compelled to write the following:
No, we don't. We recognize that the man has this team, our team, in a position to draft for the future at areas that aren't nec. need spots TODAY, but that could be, but more importantly, draft at spots that can be turned into super strengths creating match up issues for other teams and thus making our entire team better. This is how its done by the winners. You draft with a long view, not a band aid philosophy. This is also referred to in short hand as drafting BPA.
DaSkinz Baby wrote: I am a grown man and stand by what I say and feel. If our TE and RB picks this year become stars and actually contribute this year I will be the first one to state in this thread I was a bunghole that was talking out the side of my neck................
Now we come to the straw man argument portion of the thread. Now Reed has to be star AND contribute (which are not the same thing by the way) in order for the pick not to have been wasted. This is such a narrow minded a definition of what will be required for a pick not to have been wasted, I can't even. First you call this guy camp fodder and a wasted pick. Then you set the bar for not being a wasted pick at star and actually contribute. That's a damn canyon between camp fodder and being a star THIS YEAR as a rookie. That's an unreasonable belief in what it will mean to not have been a wasted pick and to validate the position taken in the original post that admittedly is impossible to backtrack from at this point. If he stretches a defense, sucks in a safety, occupies a LB up the seem 25% percent of the time he's in the game, its a good pick; if he causes DCs to have to game plan for his ability when in there with Fred or Logan 25% of the time, he's a good pick; if Davis walks next year and he has developed NEXT YEAR into a suitable replacement, its a good pick; if he helps to cause confusion in the secondary allowing Griffin to find other receivers more open than last year, its a good pick; IF HE DOES ANY OF THESE THINGS at the same time that our 4th and 6th round picks at the safety position do anything of positive return, he's a certified genius pick.
The odds of this guy being a home run are high because there are probably 7 different ways he could be so that aren't even listed above.
Let me know if Furstenburg makes the Ravens roster or even practice squad.
I mean whoever has time time to thoroughly dissect every comment I have made on this little old thread as Chris and Emoses have done shows me far more than I actually care. So to both of them CALM YOUR NIPS!! It's really NOT THAT SERIOUS!!!