D-Hall coming back

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:05 pm

@granthpaulsen: Source: #Redskins are closing in on a one-year deal with CB Deangelo Hall.

No April Fools...I like it. Hopefully, this doesn't mean we're not going after Winfield.

gay4pacman · Post by **gay4pacman** » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:28 pm

i knew d hall would be back...i like the move. we need depth, and especially experienced depth BADLY

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:39 pm

RT @JasonLaCanfora: DeAngelo Hall's deal will be roughly $2.25M. Skins may still be hunt for Winfield

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:44 pm

@UkRedskin1: Sounds like Wilson's cap number is around $4million. Cut him and can afford DHall's $2.25million and potentially Winfield too. #Redskins

Didn't think about cutting Josh Wilson. Don't like that move.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:55 pm

Not down with cutting Wilson and getting OLDER at the position. I'm glad to see Hall back, course winfield would he nic,e but he isn't an improvement over Wilson... doubtful he's even as good.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:03 pm

Highly doubt we're cutting Wilson.

However, it is interesting that the only player we wanted to keep that we didn't was Lorenzo Alexander.

Again, when is Bruce/Mike winning executive of the year?

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:05 pm

Again, when is Bruce/Mike winning executive of the year?

Depends... does Mara own the selection committee?

rg3togarcon · Post by **rg3togarcon** » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:24 pm

I would love to see D Hall back. But also get Winfield. If we can't get Winfield we need to look at trying to sign a Safety before the draft. I'd like to head into the draft trying to fill as less holes as possible and just adding depth, speed and youth.

Colorado Skin Fan · Post by **Colorado Skin Fan** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:20 am

Get Winfield and move DHall over to safety. He's a ball hawk and has shown he can tackle now as well.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:28 am

spudstr04 wrote:@UkRedskin1: Sounds like Wilson's cap number is around $4million. Cut him and can afford DHall's $2.25million and potentially Winfield too. #Redskins

Didn't think about cutting Josh Wilson. Don't like that move.

Doesn't make a lot of sense, why not restructure his final year to lower his cap hit?

Speaking of restructures... the Skins were roughly $800K under the cap and Hall will count $2.25M this year... Vic Soto's $555K would fall out of the top 51, they still had to come up with about $900K to re-sign Hall.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:39 am

emoses14 wrote:Highly doubt we're cutting Wilson.

However, it is interesting that the only player we wanted to keep that we didn't was Lorenzo Alexander.

Again, when is Bruce/Mike winning executive of the year?

the Redskins returned more starters than any other NFL team.

An outfit called Draftmetrics.com did the legwork. They looked at how many players who started eight or more games in 2012 are signed with the same team. The Redskins have the most with 21 (missing only free safety Madieu Williams, chart was compiled before DeAngelo Hall was re-signed last night). The Patriots, Packers, and 49ers kept 19 of their starters while five teams kept 18.

After years of turmoil, the thought of the Redskins being the most stable team in football might take some getting used to.

Redskins are NFL retention leaders

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:54 am

Another quality signing. He wants to be here, they want him here and he balled out for us when it mattered.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:45 am

1niksder wrote:
spudstr04 wrote:@UkRedskin1: Sounds like Wilson's cap number is around $4million. Cut him and can afford DHall's $2.25million and potentially Winfield too. #Redskins
Didn't think about cutting Josh Wilson. Don't like that move.

Doesn't make a lot of sense, why not restructure his final year to lower his cap hit?
Speaking of restructures... the Skins were roughly $800K under the cap and Hall will count $2.25M this year...
Vic Soto's $555K would fall out of the top 51, they still had to come up with about $900K to re-sign Hall.

thanks 1niksder - I know this FO can finagle things better than most ...

however ... do you think that both Winfield and Hall will be here?

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:14 am

I'm glad to have Hall back at this price. It was either him or a vet FA who would be coming into a new system and team chemistry. He really seemed to improve playing under Morris, IMO, which could mean more good things ahead this year.

Smart move by our FO. And a nice gesture on Hall's part too, as I'm guessing he could have gotten a few hundred thousand extra if he went elsewhere, if not more. (Maybe.)

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:51 am

1niksder wrote:
spudstr04 wrote:@UkRedskin1: Sounds like Wilson's cap number is around $4million. Cut him and can afford DHall's $2.25million and potentially Winfield too. #Redskins

Didn't think about cutting Josh Wilson. Don't like that move.

Doesn't make a lot of sense, why not restructure his final year to lower his cap hit?

I know they have a couple contracts they can restructure, but it seems like Shanny and Allen have been actively trying not to do that anymore. Shouldn't we be applauding that? The team is being run responsibly finally.

I'm glad to see D. Hall coming back. If nothing else, I think this helps us a little in the draft too. Makes us a little less desperate at CB, maybe even safety? I'd still expect to draft players at those positions but hopefully this buys those rookies more time to grow into starters.

Lastly, I'm in total agreement about giving Shanny/Allen a lot of credit for this offseason. I think they've done a great job under really tough circumstances. Probably helped a little by the free agent landscape in general, but I'm still very impressed.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:53 am

I wasn't unhappy to see Hall cut - he was scheduled to get paid way more than his value. We've now got him back at good market value considering his age and capabilities. I can't see a downside with that!

I'm sure we're seeing the benefits of being an organisation that people WANT to play for now.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:02 am

While Mike and Bruce have done a great job - they are really just doing what REAL FO's do all over the NFL - we have not had a 'real" FO for 10 years

the most important part of their job has been, not only finding the players that suit what they want to get done, but all the other pieces too ...

one of the keys to our success - and there are many - is a guy called Eric Shaffer, who has found a way to restructure contracts in a manner that does not 'hurt' the team down the road

if you have not read the piece by 1niksder http://www.the-hogs.net/content/index.php?id=1408

Eric has given Mike & Bruce the means to make this franchise the most stable in the NFL - RIGHT NOW :shock:

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:34 am

SkinsJock wrote:While Mike and Bruce have done a great job - they are really just doing what REAL FO's do all over the NFL - we have not had a 'real" FO for 10 years

the most important part of their job has been, not only finding the players that suit what they want to get done, but all the other pieces too ...

one of the keys to our success - and there are many - is a guy called Eric Shaffer, who has found a way to restructure contracts in a manner that does not 'hurt' the team down the road

if you have not read the piece by 1niksder http://www.the-hogs.net/content/index.php?id=1408

Eric has given Mike & Bruce the means to make this franchise the most stable in the NFL - RIGHT NOW

Shaffer is the guru of contracts and cap management, that's for sure.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:07 am

SkinsJock wrote:thanks 1niksder - I know this FO can finagle things better than most ...

however ... do you think that both Winfield and Hall will be here?

They could rework a few contracts and be able to sign him....

But remember people that had knowledge of the situation before free agency started told us the due to the second part of the capgate penalty the REdskins would not only be unable to retain their own pending free agents but they wouldn't be able to address any of their needs through free agency. They were reported to be forced to cut players just to get under the cap.

For some reason those people that had knowledge of the Redskins plans forgot to tell us the plan was to Re-sign the ONE player that they cut for cap reasons or that the Redskins could offer one to three year deals to all of their pending free agents and all of them minus OMG would sign. They for that guys like E.J. Biggers, Jeremy Trueblood, Darryl Tapp, and Tony Pashos would be taken off the market by the Redskins.

They've re-worked three as of now (has to be at least one unreported restructure floating around). If they do sign Winfield some of you will start believing what I've been trying to tell everyone.

The Redskins don't have and aren't restricted by a salary cap. In fact, the only time the Salary Cap has ever been a problem was when the NFL didn't have a Salary Cap

:shock:

skins214428hail · Post by **skins214428hail** » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:28 pm

I love the signing of D hall!! What is he 30.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:08 pm

DeAngelo Hall Turned Down More Money from Two Other Teams to Stay A Redskin

DeAngelo Hall is not a fan favorite or close to it around Redskins Nation. He was signed to hefty free agent contract when Snyder and Zorn were printing money and the team of course lost in embarrassing fashion week in and week out. The former Hokie regularly receives unsportsman-like conduct penalties and the consistency game in and game out just didn't seem to be there. Then something interesting happened. After getting kicked out of the Steelers loss for cursing out a ref, he stepped up big time during that seven game win streak. Dez Bryant was a ghost in that week 17 win vs Dallas to seal the NFC East Championship.

On why DeAngelo returned to the Redskins at a greatly reduced salary:

DHall: "It was about being where I felt comfortable, a place where I felt like I could definitely succeed, and a place I felt like had a chance to win. I can remember a couple years ago when I took that deal and left Atlanta and went to Oakland, I kind of found out the hard way not all money is good money. If a team wants to pay you $7-8 million and you're struggling to go to practice, you're struggling to play in games, your heart's not in it, that's no way to play football. When I feel like I'm not having fun and my heart's not in it, I'm gonna hang it up. I felt like Washington was a place that I definitely wanted to be a part of."

This seems to be a common thread for every player in Oakland at that time. Randy Moss comes to mind.

And about other teams:

"A couple teams gave me some offers that definitely made me think, but like I said, ultimately I had great communication with Coach Shanahan throughout the whole process, with Raheem [Morris] ... so the lines of communication were definitely open. I wasn't shy about letting everybody know I definitely wanted to go back to Washington, but if it didn't work out, I definitely had some other options out there. Just happy that we both could agree on things. This obviously wasn't the most money I could get, but it made the most sense for me and my family."

Statistically, Hall was one of the worst pass defenders somehow being one of the two cornerbacks league wide to allow 1,000 yards. Of course, having Madieu Williams as your safety net in a zone coverage scheme doesn't help.

Welcome back, DeAngelo. The cheers should be a little louder this year.

That desire, and commitment, along with the fact that this will be a contract year for DHall makes me optimistic that he is going to ball out for us this year.http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/4/5/4187796/deangelo-hall-turned-down-more-money-from-two-other-teams-to-rejoin

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:25 pm

The Hogster wrote:DeAngelo Hall Turned Down More Money from Two Other Teams to Stay A Redskin

DeAngelo Hall is not a fan favorite or close to it around Redskins Nation. He was signed to hefty free agent contract when Snyder and Zorn were printing money and the team of course lost in embarrassing fashion week in and week out. The former Hokie regularly receives unsportsman-like conduct penalties and the consistency game in and game out just didn't seem to be there. Then something interesting happened. After getting kicked out of the Steelers loss for cursing out a ref, he stepped up big time during that seven game win streak. Dez Bryant was a ghost in that week 17 win vs Dallas to seal the NFC East Championship.

On why DeAngelo returned to the Redskins at a greatly reduced salary:

DHall: "It was about being where I felt comfortable, a place where I felt like I could definitely succeed, and a place I felt like had a chance to win. I can remember a couple years ago when I took that deal and left Atlanta and went to Oakland, I kind of found out the hard way not all money is good money. If a team wants to pay you $7-8 million and you're struggling to go to practice, you're struggling to play in games, your heart's not in it, that's no way to play football. When I feel like I'm not having fun and my heart's not in it, I'm gonna hang it up. I felt like Washington was a place that I definitely wanted to be a part of."

This seems to be a common thread for every player in Oakland at that time. Randy Moss comes to mind.

And about other teams:

"A couple teams gave me some offers that definitely made me think, but like I said, ultimately I had great communication with Coach Shanahan throughout the whole process, with Raheem [Morris] ... so the lines of communication were definitely open. I wasn't shy about letting everybody know I definitely wanted to go back to Washington, but if it didn't work out, I definitely had some other options out there. Just happy that we both could agree on things. This obviously wasn't the most money I could get, but it made the most sense for me and my family."

Statistically, Hall was one of the worst pass defenders somehow being one of the two cornerbacks league wide to allow 1,000 yards. Of course, having Madieu Williams as your safety net in a zone coverage scheme doesn't help.

Welcome back, DeAngelo. The cheers should be a little louder this year.

That desire, and commitment, along with the fact that this will be a contract year for DHall makes me optimistic that he is going to ball out for us this year.http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/4/5/4187796/deangelo-hall-turned-down-more-money-from-two-other-teams-to-rejoin

He's still nothing more than a "thug" to his detractors.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:59 am

Haters gonna hate CLL ...

I'm going to predict that Hall and our pass defense is going to be a force ... I know that it was bad early on last season, but ...

Hall is a leader and he's motivated .... I'm looking forward to seeing more from our secondary

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:48 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:He's still nothing more than a "thug" to his detractors.

That won't really hold water outside of the minds of the detractors, considering he got a quarter million dollars to sign a million dollar contract. He'll get another million based on playing time and IF he makes the pro-bowl. It's easier to cut Hall than it is to cut Biggers :shock:

In appears Hall set the market for CBs this off-season :twisted:

C. Griffin got $3M last year and Nmandi's cap number with the niners is only 500K more than what Hall will cost the Skins this year, but he'll only pocket about 10K more than Hall if neither or both make the pro bowl

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:09 am

1niksder wrote:It's easier to cut Hall than it is to cut Biggers than Hall

To clarify, which is easier to cut?