Skins "running" down Talib....???

SCSkinsFan · Post by **SCSkinsFan** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:00 pm

When the team itself says that the imposed cap penalty has created a problem then you have to give some credence to that if you believe in what the team's vision for upgrading the team is. I'm a lot more comfortable in the course that they will take than at any time in the recent past, and count myself as one of the long-standing, most faithful Skins fans (season ticket holder snice RFK opended). In fact, many of what appear to be upgrades at times are nothing more than names, and many don't ever pan out (we all know who they are) . Back in the day, the Skins (Gibbs & Beathard) were noted for finding talent no one else had ever heard of, ex: Herb Mul-Key, Otis Wonsley, etc. I'm hoping too that they will re-sign F. Davis, and that they will, with the help of a good draft, be able to put some quality players, many folks may not be entirely familiar with, but who can play, into those positions where we need help. And as noted, we are no longer a bad team. The Skins are the defending NFC East Champs, and were one significant injury away from going a long way in last year's playoffs. HTTR!

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:20 pm

I think we're saying the same thing ... kind of

the Redskins are hampered by the cap hit but this has actually forced them to be a lot more careful about whom to add or keep to continue to make this team better

we have allowed Alexander to go - we may have kept him if we really needed him

we might have gone after some others too

I do not believe the cap hit has hurt us more than it has hindered us .. we have guys in charge here now that 'will find a way' to have the players they really need

we will continue to get better - having a great QB impacts EVERYTHING

we have players that want to be part of the perceived success here whereas in the past Snyder's wallet was the ONLY attraction

there is some doubt about RG3 but I have a lot of confidence that he will be as good, if not better than before
Dr Andrews did the work on AP and since that time Dr Andrews has benefited from other operations on athletes, specifically with the use of stem cells to assist with the recovery/rehabilitation process

If these guys really want to keep Davis - they will do that - Davis will NOT choose the Browns for a little more money NOW when he can potentially do better here

these guys will find the players to ensure we defend the NFC East crown and then it's on to great things from here on out
our next BIG worry is a decade or so down the road as we consider who to play QB after RG3

SCSkinsFan · Post by **SCSkinsFan** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:57 pm

SkinsJock wrote:I think we're saying the same thing ... kind of

the Redskins are hampered by the cap hit but this has actually forced them to be a lot more careful about whom to add or keep to continue to make this team better

we have allowed Alexander to go - we may have kept him if we really needed him

we might have gone after some others too

I do not believe the cap hit has hurt us more than it has hindered us .. we have guys in charge here now that 'will find a way' to have the players they really need

we will continue to get better - having a great QB impacts EVERYTHING

we have players that want to be part of the perceived success here whereas in the past Snyder's wallet was the ONLY attraction

there is some doubt about RG3 but I have a lot of confidence that he will be as good, if not better than before
Dr Andrews did the work on AP and since that time Dr Andrews has benefited from other operations on athletes, specifically with the use of stem cells to assist with the recovery/rehabilitation process

If these guys really want to keep Davis - they will do that - Davis will NOT choose the Browns for a little more money NOW when he can potentially do better here

these guys will find the players to ensure we defend the NFC East crown and then it's on to great things from here on out
our next BIG worry is a decade or so down the road as we consider who to play QB after RG3

+1

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:11 pm

[quote="SkinsJock"

Talib might have been a nice addition but we did not really need him either - NOT a cap casualty.[/quote]
Ok, so if we didn't need Talib you must think we don't need to add anyone to the team!

We may not have needed Talib but we currently don't have starter to replace Hall. We need to add a starter at CB more than any other spot on the squad. FS is a close second but then there is a chasm between those two needs and the next spot where we need help!

Yes, there is still free agents left to play corner and there is still the draft.

BUT WE NEED SOMEONE TO PAY CB.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:43 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:
Talib might have been a nice addition but we did not really need him either - NOT a cap casualty.
Ok, so if we didn't need Talib you must think we don't need to add anyone to the team!

We may not have needed Talib but we currently don't have starter to replace Hall. We need to add a starter at CB more than any other spot on the squad. FS is a close second but then there is a chasm between those two needs and the next spot where we need help!

Yes, there is still free agents left to play corner and there is still the draft.

BUT WE NEED SOMEONE TO PAY CB.

WRONG - as usual

we do NOT need someone to play (PAY) CB this month - we WILL have CBs when we REALLY need them on the field

We do need CBs and we might add a free agent or 2 or 3 AND we might add a FS or 2 - I'm sure our defensive secondary WILL get some attention in the draft

about Talib - I said we did not REALLY need him

IF these guys had REALLY, REALLY wanted Talib - they would have found a way .. ONLY if the $ could be worked out
Talib is a little like Davis in a way - there is some 'baggage' and he was NOT deemed worth the price

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:32 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
SkinsJock wrote: he's a great story but he was not quite a good enough position player to beat out any of our LBs
This... x1000 He'll be missed but c'mon fellas. Judging from the reaction to Zo's departure, when London retires, we may need to have an intervention for you guys.

Don't forget the Valium

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:01 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:
Talib might have been a nice addition but we did not really need him either - NOT a cap casualty.
Ok, so if we didn't need Talib you must think we don't need to add anyone to the team!

We may not have needed Talib but we currently don't have starter to replace Hall. We need to add a starter at CB more than any other spot on the squad. FS is a close second but then there is a chasm between those two needs and the next spot where we need help!

Yes, there is still free agents left to play corner and there is still the draft.

BUT WE NEED SOMEONE TO PAY CB.
WRONG - as usual

we do NOT need someone to play (PAY) CB this month - we WILL have CBs when we REALLY need them on the field

We do need CBs and we might add a free agent or 2 or 3 AND we might add a FS or 2 - I'm sure our defensive secondary WILL get some attention in the draft

about Talib - I said we did not REALLY need him

IF these guys had REALLY, REALLY wanted Talib - they would have found a way .. ONLY if the $ could be worked out
Talib is a little like Davis in a way - there is some 'baggage' and he was NOT deemed worth the price

+1

All things considered, we don't really NEED anyone at the moment apart from who we already have. Sure our secondary will struggle next year but even they started to look good last towards the end of last year (no, it was not DHall single-handedly doing it all).

One thing that hasn't been brought up (to my knowledge) is our o-line. We've done a pretty good amount of signing in our o-line. Our o-line looked TERRIBLE at the beginning of the year last year.

Fast forward week by week and there were DRAMATIC improvements.

All last year we were screaming "we need a front line!!!" The staff has proven its ability to develop players in the o-line to perform up to par in their scheme.

Heck, they even did a decent job in their secondary.

So far, we've re-sign a lot of key players with a nasty cap situation. Now, we're on our way to a draft loaded with secondary talent.

We don't need 7 picks for our secondary. That's a waste (wouldn't keep them all anyway). We'll draft at LEAST 2 talented secondary players, but more than likely more. Shanny always drafts a RB, and perhaps we'll see a TE drafted that will replace Davis in a year/couple years.

Either way, our o-line situation is looking pretty good. WE HAVE DEPTH NOW. Plus our depth will be getting that same quality conditioning we saw last year.

You have LeRib (who played like a beast in the games we saw), and Compton (who's a powerhouse they're conditioning AND keep increasing his pay). These guys are the future of the line. Maybe this year, maybe next.

Going into the draft with only ONE DEFINITIVE NEED is a pretty damn good scenario.

I believe Davis & Hall are coming back. Both of them have their own "issues" that's made their stock lower. I believe they both WANT to come back as well.

So what are we looking at right now?

The same team as last year minus Zo (who is great, but couldn't even get a starting LB job w/ our current setup). As of now, its also the same team minus Davis (who we didn't have most of the year anyway), and Hall (who "showed up" sporadically last year).

What are some of you freaking out about???? Was last year really so bad?

We have the draft w/ a load of defensive players, we have injured defensive players returning.

WE......ARE......GOING......TO......BE......A......BETTER......TEAM......THAN......WE......WERE......LAST......YEAR.

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:03 pm

(double post)

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:11 pm

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:Our o-line looked TERRIBLE at the beginning of the year last year.

Fast forward week by week and there were DRAMATIC improvements.

All last year we were screaming "we need a front line!!!"

No, they didn't.

No, there wasn't.

No, we weren't.

You just joined the board a few months ago.

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:16 pm

Deadskins wrote:
HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:Our o-line looked TERRIBLE at the beginning of the year last year.

Fast forward week by week and there were DRAMATIC improvements.

All last year we were screaming "we need a front line!!!"
No, they didn't.

No, there wasn't.

No, we weren't.

You just joined the board a few months ago.

Every Redskin fan wasn't on this board a few months ago including myself. And yes, we were saying we needed a line. Why do you think everyone was worried about RG3's protection?

Get out more...

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:20 pm

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:Our o-line looked TERRIBLE at the beginning of the year last year.

Fast forward week by week and there were DRAMATIC improvements.

All last year we were screaming "we need a front line!!!"
No, they didn't.

No, there wasn't.

No, we weren't.

You just joined the board a few months ago.
Every Redskin fan wasn't on this board a few months ago including myself. And yes, we were saying we needed a line. Why do you think everyone was worried about RG3's protection?

Get out more...

Dude, they worried about RGIII when he scrambled out past the line, not when staying in the pocket. You should stay in and watch the games more.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:25 pm

I don't remember that being a theme on THN, either. A lot of us were noticing how good the blocking was, actually . . .

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:27 pm

Deadskins wrote:
HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:
Deadskins wrote: No, they didn't.

No, there wasn't.

No, we weren't.

You just joined the board a few months ago.
Every Redskin fan wasn't on this board a few months ago including myself. And yes, we were saying we needed a line. Why do you think everyone was worried about RG3's protection?

Get out more...
Dude, they worried about RGIII when he scrambled out past the line, not when staying in the pocket. You should stay in and watch the games more.

It was both. Its been said through news outlets and sports commentators that RG3 was the most pass pressured QB in the NFL.

Almost every time it was spoken in the context of the line needing to "block more" for RG3.

Of course you had people jumping on the bandwagon changing out song to "braves on a warpath, block for RG3."