Fred Davis (resign him now)

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:02 pm

OK, so your point then, Skins, is that I shouldn't worry about the ability to pay Fred Davis because Eric Schaffer is literally a genius with the cap? I've read 1nik make this point a few times before andI get it. But the problem that I have with this line of logic is a variable of the time it takes to work out the contracts with the already signed guys (restructuring) and to work out the contract with Fred all while beating some other team to the punch. That's why I was not worried 2 days ago, but am now.

The logic that 1nik has in that article does a much better job of calming my fear of signing our draft picks and going after 1 free agent who isn't being actively sought early in Free Agency. I'm not sure it works as well for Fred, who I presume is a sought after commodity. I hope I'm wrong about that. And I hope I'm wrong about the fact that money under a salary cap is inelastic. Robbing Peter to pay Paul eventually catches up. Now for us that would only happen in the margins because of Shaffer's abilities. MY FEAR is that the margin it catches up to us in is Davis' contract.

It just can't be as simple as "Mike and Bruce want him, so he stays." If that were really the case, Bruce Allen wouldn't have called an entire press conference to do nothing but (justifiably) complain.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:32 pm

[sarcasm]Stop worrying... they already have his replacement on the roster...

now, if only they can teach Niles Paul to actually catch the ball...[/sarcasm]

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:36 pm

Countertrey wrote:[sarcasm]Stop worrying... they already have his replacement on the roster...

now, if only they can teach Niles Paul to actually catch the ball...[/sarcasm]

Shoot. My bad, I forgot.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:01 pm

It's simple for me :lol:

IF Davis is really valued by Mike & Kyle they will make him an offer that is fair for him to stay

IF Davis goes to another team that offers him a little bit more - more power to him - see ya

Mike & Kyle will find a way with Shafter's assistance to keep the players they really want - at this time most players we REALLY want are finding ways to stay

I hope Davis stays - he will be paid well - and he will be in the playoffs ... maybe even the Super Bowl :lol:

this offense will NOT be hurt by him not being here anymore than it will be a whole lot better if he stays

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:18 pm

Sooooooo..... What's the latest rumor? He still a redskin?

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:59 pm

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... ous_a.html

Alls I could dig up, but its a little old already... He says we wants to win, so to me that's a for sure no for the Browns, and he will take a couple mill less to stay.. if he's a man of his word.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:01 pm

OTOH... he grew up a Browns fan... and... dey be lookin' for payback after losing the RG3 sweepstakes...

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:18 pm

Ahhhh!!!!

I think there needs to be hogs.net 12 Step group. Can't go 10mins w/out hitting refresh on here :evil:

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:56 pm

From all we've heard and there's a LOT of trash out there .. it looks as though the only choice for Fred Davis is Cleveland or Washington

Due to the injury it's safe to say that he's looking at a 1 year deal

I think we will see Fred Davis come back here for a year and try and make a better deal next time

jmooney · Post by **jmooney** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:55 pm

I think if he re-signs here, he has the option to wait until late pre-season, possibly early regular season before he gets back on the field. "IF" he feels he needs more time to heal. I know the doctors cleared him but, that doesnt make him 100%.

I don't think he will have that luxury with another team. he will be expected to go for OTA's and training camp to learn a new system and "earn" his new contract.

That could be the deciding factor if the money is close.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:21 pm

jmooney wrote: I don't think he will have that luxury with another team. he will be expected to go for OTA's and training camp to learn a new system and "earn" his new contract.

... and, set his alarm clock... :twisted:

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:27 pm

Countertrey wrote:OTOH... he grew up a Browns fan... and... dey be lookin' for payback after losing the RG3 sweepstakes...

Plus their replacement for drafting RGIII was an alleged superstar who got overshadowed by a no-name, blue collar 6th rounder. :shock:

They've been overcompensating ever since losing the RGIII sweepstakes, IMO. If you look at how they drafted and how they have been players in the FA market. I don't think it's going to turn out very well for them.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:00 pm

I'm ok with losing Davis off it means we can sign a capable to start CB. I'm more comfortable with Paulsen and Paul at TE than I with Minifield our whom ever at CB. More comfortable with who we have at TE than CB, RT, or FS!

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:50 pm

sorry sf33 - I kind of disagree with you ... :twisted:

this is a case of having your cake and eating it too ... :lol:

Davis is staying because despite what some may think - we're much better off at TE with him - we're only OK at TE without him - END OF STORY

we also will find a way to both have a decent RT and fix the defensive secondary which is the paramount need right now
we're adding players through free agency and the draft that will continue to be an impact and provide depth

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:36 am

emoses14 wrote:OK, so your point then, Skins, is that I shouldn't worry about the ability to pay Fred Davis because Eric Schaffer is literally a genius with the cap? I've read 1nik make this point a few times before andI get it. But the problem that I have with this line of logic is a variable of the time it takes to work out the contracts with the already signed guys (restructuring) and to work out the contract with Fred all while beating some other team to the punch. That's why I was not worried 2 days ago, but am now.

The logic that 1nik has in that article does a much better job of calming my fear of signing our draft picks and going after 1 free agent who isn't being actively sought early in Free Agency. I'm not sure it works as well for Fred, who I presume is a sought after commodity. I hope I'm wrong about that. And I hope I'm wrong about the fact that money under a salary cap is inelastic. Robbing Peter to pay Paul eventually catches up. Now for us that would only happen in the margins because of Shaffer's abilities. MY FEAR is that the margin it catches up to us in is Davis' contract.

It just can't be as simple as "Mike and Bruce want him, so he stays." If that were really the case, Bruce Allen wouldn't have called an entire press conference to do nothing but (justifiably) complain.

From what I hear....

Talib signed with the Pats for 1yr/$5M with a 3yr/$17M deal on the table...

Talib signed with the Pats for 1yr/$5M while the Skins were trying to come up with a plan to clear cap space.

Time IS a factor, it the player is on the market to long his value drops,,, this good for the Skins but if a player has more than one offer on the table and the money is close they aren't waiting :cry:

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:23 am

1niksder wrote:
emoses14 wrote:OK, so your point then, Skins, is that I shouldn't worry about the ability to pay Fred Davis because Eric Schaffer is literally a genius with the cap? I've read 1nik make this point a few times before andI get it. But the problem that I have with this line of logic is a variable of the time it takes to work out the contracts with the already signed guys (restructuring) and to work out the contract with Fred all while beating some other team to the punch. That's why I was not worried 2 days ago, but am now.

The logic that 1nik has in that article does a much better job of calming my fear of signing our draft picks and going after 1 free agent who isn't being actively sought early in Free Agency. I'm not sure it works as well for Fred, who I presume is a sought after commodity. I hope I'm wrong about that. And I hope I'm wrong about the fact that money under a salary cap is inelastic. Robbing Peter to pay Paul eventually catches up. Now for us that would only happen in the margins because of Shaffer's abilities. MY FEAR is that the margin it catches up to us in is Davis' contract.

It just can't be as simple as "Mike and Bruce want him, so he stays." If that were really the case, Bruce Allen wouldn't have called an entire press conference to do nothing but (justifiably) complain.

From what I hear....

Talib signed with the Pats for 1yr/$5M with a 3yr/$17M deal on the table...

Talib signed with the Pats for 1yr/$5M while the Skins were trying to come up with a plan to clear cap space.

Time IS a factor, it the player is on the market to long his value drops,,, this good for the Skins but if a player has more than one offer on the table and the money is close they aren't waiting

Thanks 1nik, everyday with nothing really new in Fred I get both more hopeful and more nervous for that very reason.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:59 am

SkinsJock wrote:sorry sf33 - I kind of disagree with you ...

this is a case of having your cake and eating it too ...

Davis is staying because despite what some may think - we're much better off at TE with him - we're only OK at TE without him - END OF STORY

we also will find a way to both have a decent RT and fix the defensive secondary which is the paramount need right now
we're adding players through free agency and the draft that will continue to be an impact and provide depth

Aside from the pretentious, omnipotent END OF STORY crap I agree that we are better at TE with Davis than we are w/o him. And yes we are just ok at TE w/o him. But we aren't even Ok right now at those spots I mentioned!

Yes, we may be able to have our cake and eat it too (even if it is an Betty Crocker easy bake), but most likely we simply won't be able to address all of our beefs in both FA and the draft.

My point was, if it came down to resigning Davis our improving at those other spots, that is an easy one. We have a capable player at TE and a Young guy with a lot of talent at TE. You just can't say that about those other spots.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:10 am

The Redskins CAN afford to both have Davis at TE, bring in free agents AND sign their draft picks

1niksder has shown that the Redskins' Eric Shaffer CAN 'make it happen' - we are VERY fortunate - gotta love it

AND THAT is why the Redskins are waiting to see exactly what their up against :wink:

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:09 pm

SkinsJock wrote:The Redskins CAN afford to both have Davis at TE, bring in free agents AND sign their draft picks

1niksder has shown that the Redskins' Eric Shaffer CAN 'make it happen' - we are VERY fortunate - gotta love it

AND THAT is why the Redskins are waiting to see exactly what their up against

Be warned I didn't get much sleep at night at all. Is the article you linked in a previous thread (about this) saying that we are going to go over our cap because it isn't "literal"?

Fellow readers be warned, I very quickly raced over the article and could have missed obvious points.

Thanks for the clarity in advance

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:17 pm

Signing Davis should be a walk in the park at this point.

Even with all his seductive lady charms...
http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/201 ... le-at-her/

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:28 pm

He definitely threw it.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:35 pm

Deadskins wrote:He definitely threw it.

facepalm

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:38 pm

this is an article by 1niksder that may help

http://www.the-hogs.net/content/index.php?id=1408

it seems to me that the Redskins are very fortunate to have a guy like Eric Shaffer - we seem to be waiting to see what 'adjustments' need to be made to 'conform'

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:45 pm

The Redskins offseason with the cap hit has been like watching paint dry. But, I am of the mind that this is for the best. Keep building on what we have with the guys here, and through the draft. Next year, is when the final pieces can be added. Until then, pull up a chair.

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:09 pm

The Hogster wrote:The Redskins offseason with the cap hit has been like watching paint dry. But, I am of the mind that this is for the best. Keep building on what we have with the guys here, and through the draft. Next year, is when the final pieces can be added. Until then, pull up a chair.

I think we'll do pretty good this year with the draft. However, like you said, I think we will be "complete" after next year's draft...and scary

Almost makes you afraid to start our key players this year