langleyparkjoe wrote:CLL your insight is always appreciated bro.
Me? I haven't done anything.
The Hogster wrote:The plays he makes on the ball have very little to do with pass rush. His returns, caused fumbles are all him. Maybe some of his blitzes don't get there if teams didn't have to focus on the D Line, but let's be real here. This guy makes plays.
No, the pass rush has nothing to do with his hands, vision, or ability to break on the ball. However, when he's out of position, beaten or just having a rough outting, that pass rush is gonna bail him out.
As much grief as our corners get, they played well without a consistent pass rush this season. I feel as though that's not really taken into consideration. If we weren't blitzing the QB's had ALLLLLL DAYYYYY LONNNGG.
langleyparkjoe wrote:CLL your insight is always appreciated bro.
Me? I haven't done anything.
The Hogster wrote:The plays he makes on the ball have very little to do with pass rush. His returns, caused fumbles are all him. Maybe some of his blitzes don't get there if teams didn't have to focus on the D Line, but let's be real here. This guy makes plays.
No, the pass rush has nothing to do with his hands, vision, or ability to break on the ball. However, when he's out of position, beaten or just having a rough outting, that pass rush is gonna bail him out.
As much grief as our corners get, they played well without a consistent pass rush this season. I feel as though that's not really taken into consideration. If we weren't blitzing the QB's had ALLLLLL DAYYYYY LONNNGG.
I'm not disagreeing that pass rush is a secondary's best friend. Coverage and Rush work hand in hand. But, I'm saying that I don't think you can reproduce what Mathieu can do despite LSU's NFL-like Defensive Line.
I think Mathieu's game translates to the NFL well. He can produce right away in situations (nickle) and Special Teams while he hones his technique going up against guys like Garcon & Moss in practice.
I wouldn't spend a 1st or 2nd on him given his situation. But, I'd spend a 3rd or 4th on him. We pick fairly late in each round.
^^ that's the thing ... this player MAY be there towards the end of the 3rd round ..
I think that the intangibles mean he will be at worst a third round pick - I seriously doubt he falls to the 4th round
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
The Hogster wrote:
I'm not disagreeing that pass rush is a secondary's best friend. Coverage and Rush work hand in hand. But, I'm saying that I don't think you can reproduce what Mathieu can do despite LSU's NFL-like Defensive Line.
I think Mathieu's game translates to the NFL well. He can produce right away in situations (nickle) and Special Teams while he hones his technique going up against guys like Garcon & Moss in practice.
I wouldn't spend a 1st or 2nd on him given his situation. But, I'd spend a 3rd or 4th on him. We pick fairly late in each round.
I agree. It's just a concern of mine considering his projected short-comings. I'd take him with the 3rd pick. He'd immediately be penciled in at PR/KR.
He has talent and baggage so is he Pacman Jones II? Id take him in the 3rd if hes there seeing its "late" in the order...Trade back off our 2nd into early 3rd and get another pick while doing so and take him with the early one....
RG3peat wrote:He has talent and baggage so is he Pacman Jones II? Id take him in the 3rd if hes there seeing its "late" in the order...Trade back off our 2nd into early 3rd and get another pick while doing so and take him with the early one....
We have a 2nd?
Where did that come from?
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
RG3peat wrote:He has talent and baggage so is he Pacman Jones II? Id take him in the 3rd if hes there seeing its "late" in the order...Trade back off our 2nd into early 3rd and get another pick while doing so and take him with the early one....
RG3peat wrote:He has talent and baggage so is he Pacman Jones II? Id take him in the 3rd if hes there seeing its "late" in the order...Trade back off our 2nd into early 3rd and get another pick while doing so and take him with the early one....
When didn't we? We gave STL LAST year's 2nd.
