Any and All News About RG3's Knee - Merged

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:07 am

Countertrey wrote:
The Hogster wrote:I have no doubt he will make a full recovery. It's just a matter of when he's back to 100%.

We are now forewarned, however. RG3 will not assess his readiness for contact objectively. We have several episodes, now, where he has minimized his injury, and has not been accurate in his own assessment of his condition.

The upshot here is, when he says he is a go... there needs to be a whole lot of other evidence backing that up, before he is permitted to see any contact. Detractors aside, I have a feeling that Shanahan may have learned one or two things from this experience, and will be careful with this young man.

I do imagine, however, that Bob has probably already resumed many of the same upper body only workouts and passing drills he was using the last time he hurt his knee... all of which made him a more effective passer... What we have heard about his work ethic, and competitiveness, suggests he will be driven to heal when he has permission. When he is, in fact, ready to play... he will be REALLY ready to play.

Couldn't agree with you more. Like you said, there needs to be irrefutable evidence that he is 100%. He doesn't under his limits yet which is part of his greatest strength, but overclouded by it being his greatest weakness.

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:38 pm

Some new stuff.

Washingtonpost.com LINK

Original injury photos:

Ravens game LINK

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:23 pm

Some great posts above initiated by CT.

I only ask one rethorical question:

IF we are able to see the above issues with RGIII and Shanahan's attitudes, Don't you think that THEY do and they are smarter and wiser now to correct them?

Don't we ALL learn from our failures, defeats and injuries physically and mentally? Is there any other way to get better judgment than to fail and rise again?

I think that those two and others around them are too darn smart NOT to agree and see clearly the mistakes made by ALL of them.

I BELIEVE. I DO. I AM CONVINCED that RG and MS will make sure that these mistakes do not happen again.

Sure, injuries may happen no matter what but BETTER JUDGMENT will be effective on all parts on the field and on the sidelines. They would not be where they are if this was not the case. So, cheer up Skins fans! I am convinced that life puts every person in its rightful place in the long run.

RG and our Skins WILL be a SB champion. I have NO DOUBT about this whatsoever.

(You can call me genius when it happens, if you wish)

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:40 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:Some great posts above initiated by CT.

I only ask one rethorical question:

IF we are able to see the above issues with RGIII and Shanahan's attitudes, Don't you think that THEY do and they are smarter and wiser now to correct them?

Don't we ALL learn from our failures, defeats and injuries physically and mentally? Is there any other way to get better judgment than to fail and rise again?

I think that those two and others around them are too darn smart NOT to agree and see clearly the mistakes made by ALL of them.

I BELIEVE. I DO. I AM CONVINCED that RG and MS will make sure that these mistakes do not happen again.

Sure, injuries may happen no matter what but BETTER JUDGMENT will be effective on all parts on the field and on the sidelines. They would not be where they are if this was not the case. So, cheer up Skins fans! I am convinced that life puts every person in its rightful place in the long run.

RG and our Skins WILL be a SB champion. I have NO DOUBT about this whatsoever.

(You can call me genius when it happens, if you wish)

Excellent post.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:41 pm

the cream will ALWAYS rise to the TOP :lol:

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:40 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:Some great posts above initiated by CT.

I only ask one rethorical question:

IF we are able to see the above issues with RGIII and Shanahan's attitudes, Don't you think that THEY do and they are smarter and wiser now to correct them?

Don't we ALL learn from our failures, defeats and injuries physically and mentally? Is there any other way to get better judgment than to fail and rise again?

I think that those two and others around them are too darn smart NOT to agree and see clearly the mistakes made by ALL of them.

I BELIEVE. I DO. I AM CONVINCED that RG and MS will make sure that these mistakes do not happen again.

Sure, injuries may happen no matter what but BETTER JUDGMENT will be effective on all parts on the field and on the sidelines. They would not be where they are if this was not the case. So, cheer up Skins fans! I am convinced that life puts every person in its rightful place in the long run.

RG and our Skins WILL be a SB champion. I have NO DOUBT about this whatsoever.

(You can call me genius when it happens, if you wish)

I saw 3 questions. Maybe only one was "rethorical" (sic).

Anyway - my answer to them is "I sure hope so!"

masterkwon · Post by **masterkwon** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:12 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:RG and our Skins WILL be a SB champion. I have NO DOUBT about this whatsoever.

Let's not get carried away.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:53 pm

actually just a matter of how many .. :lol:

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:01 pm

I expect nothing less than 3 superbowls in the next decade =)

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:27 am

I've been away from here for a few days, so forgive me if this has already been asked and answered, but: what was the point of the brace? It seems not to have been fit for purpose? Unless it was just a decorative item (I don't know what passes for fashion these days).

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:43 am

UK Skins Fan wrote:I've been away from here for a few days, so forgive me if this has already been asked and answered, but: what was the point of the brace? It seems not to have been fit for purpose? Unless it was just a decorative item (I don't know what passes for fashion these days).

The brace served two purposes. 1 was to provide protection against excessive strain on the ligaments and other supportive structures of the knee, by limiting range of motion. The other was to augment the normal functions of the ACL, PCL, MCL and LCL.

Clearly, braces have limitations. Clearly, the limits of this brace were exceeded. Imagine the damage had it NOT been in place.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:24 pm

I'd rather not!

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:26 pm

I'd rather not!

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:52 pm

The knee did seem to bend in a way that the brace should not have been able to, though.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:23 pm

Deadskins wrote:The knee did seem to bend in a way that the brace should not have been able to, though.

Yuh think?

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:48 pm

Countertrey wrote:
Deadskins wrote:The knee did seem to bend in a way that the brace should not have been able to, though.

Yuh think?

I think he also often went without it in practice when coaches "weren't looking" and used "less" brace against Seattle than he had in earlier games. That last one looked more like a glorified compression sleeve. He didn't even slide it back up into position after the 1st quarter mishap ... I think.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:53 am

RGIII Received Stem Cells To Bolster Healing Process.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:54 am

RGIII Received Stem Cells To Bolster Healing Process.

Apparently Dr. Andrews is using a fairly new stem cell procedure that quickens and improves ligament regeneration. No names are named, but this article suggests that Adrian Peterson had such a procedure to help his process.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/1/23/3899538/rg3-injury-robert-griffin-iii-redskins-dr-james-andrews

When it was announced RGIII had reconstructive surgery on his LCL and ACL, pretty much every doctor that was not named Dr. James Andrews expected a 10-12 month recovery. That's why it came as a surprise to me to hear the Redskins and their team doctor publicly say they expect Robert Griffin III to be ready by the season opener.

"Robert Griffin III had successful knee surgery early this morning. He had a direct repair of his LCL and a re-do of his previous ACL reconstruction. We expect a full recovery and it is everybody's hope and belief that due to Robert's high motivation, he will be ready for the 2013 season."

Naturally, many people, myself included, thought perhaps the obvious reason for such a statement is to ensure that the team does not lose any season ticket holders. However, with time comes clarity and more information. John Keim answered a question in his weekly mailbag that Dr. Andrews has been using stem cell research on his patients for some time. Adrian Peterson of course had a "miraculous" nine-month return from ACL/MCL surgery performed by Dr. Andrews. Miracle or stem cell?

For the past three years, however, Andrews has been experimenting with a new strategy. "Stem cells," he says. "What we call biologics. They're on their way, and that will be a transformational event." Very quietly -- "We don't advertise it," Andrews says, "and we don't want to sensationalize it" -- he and his colleagues at clinics in Birmingham, Ala., and Gulf Breeze, Fla., have been performing stem cell injections on professional athletes. He won't name names, but Andrews has mostly employed stem cells in the deteriorated knees of football players, and virtually all of them have reported significant decreases in pain and inflammation. "It's early," he says, "but the results have been remarkable." [ESPN]

Stem cell usually carries religious connotations with it from people, but it is legal if the cells are pulled from the same patient (and not, say, unborn babies):

Andrews mines them from the marrow in the patient's pelvic bone and then injects them directly into the damaged joint. That's the only stem cell procedure the FDA presently allows -- the self-donation of unaltered adult stem cells.

Well, that certainly explains a lot. I heard from a source that RGIII's operation with Dr. Andrews took six and half hours. That is quite a long operation. In speaking with SB Nation's medical expert, Dr. Ali Mohamadi, he had this to say on the topic:

In recent years, there's been an increasing amount of research, especially in animal models, looking at the ability of stem cell injections to aid the process of repairing torn ligaments. These particular type of stem cells are known as mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs), which can be taken from the patient's own bone marrow or joint fluid and injected back into the site of ligament damage. MSCs are particularly exciting because they tend to home in on the site of injury and promote a degree of regeneration of ligament tissue.

Most of the studies in animals have looked at use of MSCs in partially torn ACLs that did not require surgery, and they were fairly promising. What little evidence exists regarding use of MSCs in animals who required ACL reconstruction seems to indicate that the repaired ACL of those receiving MSCs "took" more quickly than those who didn't and appeared stronger ad early as eight weeks following the injection.

So to be clear, early animal studies seem to provide an argument that stem cell injections in patients following ACL repairs may in fact speed up the healing process, but it can't be stated enough that to this point, this association remains largely anecdotal in human patients.

Either way, given the state of RGIII's knee history, this gives me a lot more optimism for a healthy return and long-term success than I thought.

I also think the Redskins organization had another good reason to broadcast the optimistic timetable: Free Agency. The Redskins have 19 free agents from their own team to account for this off-season. More importantly, there's the free agency period to bring in other top talent. The Redskins have done well in that department with Garcon, Bowen, and Cofield to name a few. Surely, having the news out there that RGIII will be healthy week one will be an important part of negotiations. The Redskins were a playoff team last year, which is a card they have not been able to play for some time. Surely, any prospective free agent will want to know what RGIII's status is, and if the Dr. says he'll be ready week one, than surely the Redskins should be making their team better as a result.

ACW · Post by **ACW** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:04 am

Hmm, I seem to recall Peterson having a fairly decent comeback :lol:

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:51 am

ACW wrote:Hmm, I seem to recall Peterson having a fairly decent comeback

I was a bit annoyed by AP's "warning" of people comparing him and RG3's recovery situations. Pretty much bragging about his family genetics.

Genetics are a part of it sure, but now with his, it appears Andrews has been doing for three years. I'm more than confident AP received the same treatment.

RG3 recovery pessimists can kiss my @$$

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:51 am

NOTHING is guaranteed - every athlete - EVERY ONE, responds to joint surgery differently

RG3's surgery was 1 year after AP and it would seem that he will 'benefit' from that ...

I'm confident that RG3 will rehab well and be ready to be the starting QB

ref. RG3 and AP - the only real comparison worth noting is that they both had surgery on their knees by the same surgeon

RG3 is a more gifted athlete/runner than AP - he's a former olympic level athlete - he's a step above AP as far as a 'running' athlete is concerned

RG3 seems to be VERY motivated as I'm sure AP was during his rehab

I am confident that RG3 is going to be back to help this franchise win the NFC East again this season

THAT is all that really matters - I cannot wait

btw - thanks for the article - really good info about the stem cells

the other stuff about free agents and ticket sales is just typical BS

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:27 pm

The Hogster wrote:RGIII Received Stem Cells To Bolster Healing Process.

Thanks for the article, I'm shocked that's not all of PFT and ESPN.

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:29 pm

In case anyone missed this:
http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... rehab.html

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:40 pm

"about a week ahead"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/rg ... video.html

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:43 am

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:In case anyone missed this:
http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... rehab.html

My takeaway from this interview:

1. He repeatedly stated "It's about being smart"
2. He seems more mature and focused
3. His tie appears to be burgundy and gold

From my perspective RGIII now realizes he must be very careful with his body. He must avoid or minimize tacklers and he must be open with the coaching staff about injuries and their play calling. And his demeanor in this interview and the experiences of this season should make the coaches smarter about their offensive schemes and play calling.