Any and All News About RG3's Knee - Merged

[UK Skins Fan]

My head hurts.

[SKIN4LIFE]

People I think you all need to do some simple research about LCL injuries and time tables. For the people that don't get it, the LCL is FAR MORE COMPLEX than an ACL or MCL tear. I believe that RG3 will come back and may even be better than ever but I doubt he comes back in 2013. 9-12 months people for a full LCL recovery. People also understand this has nothing to do with Adrian Peterson or his injury the LCL is the worst injury and when they use a complete RECONSTRUCTION verbage I tend to think that the knee is SHREDDED. The best thing that can happen is the knee get's fully repaired, and during next year's season he rehab's and get the muscles strong again and works on his explosion and continues to study the play book. 2014 he comes back hungrier than ever and then craps on the division again. I truly believe next year is a wash for RG3 and anyone that believes he will be back is basically a gullible imbecile.

[list=]

Fool4life, clever, but I'm sure we can measure intelligence on many levels and I would far surpass you. Additionally, name calling supports this fact.

As for the LCL, I'm sure all doctors are not linked to the team, and as I stated in the original post, all doctors are downplaying the LCL injury in comparison to the ACL. I'm a Biochemistry and Molecular Biology major which allows me to say I know a little about the body, and I agree with what I'm hearing. Something tells me you lack a degree relating to health and/or the human body so I will restrain from commenting on anything else you have to say because the comment is probably false.

Take care DaSkinz Baby.

What are you talking about. Every doctor on tv, and there have been several, said the complete opposite. The LCL is least important and will heal faster due to increased blood flow. We need to hear what Andrews encountered while performing the surgery and set expectations from there. For the record and to ensure posters aren't misled, your statements around the LCL are false.[/list]

WRONG my comments about the LCL are true and after the wasps flying around Redskins Park now and DeMaurice Smith investigating you don't think the Redskins are spinning this? Come on SKIN4LIFE don't be that much of a FOOL4LIFE the LCL is the longest tendon to heal KNOWN FACT and the fact that I have posted what I have read, learned and heard is a simple matter of what I have found. Nothing doom and gloom about it. How the hell is the LCL the least important when it's what stablizes the knee from doing what it did in the 4th quarter? BEND THE WAY ITS NOT SUPPOSED TOO?? COME ON MAN!!!!

[RayNAustin]

ACTUALLY - Ray .... thanks for confirming something I've thought for a long while

you really do not have much of a clue at all, do you - why else would you go to such incredible trouble to try and make a silly little point with so may of your posts

No "trouble" on my part ... the "trouble" resides in your inability to understand the simple points ... not the points themselves.

That, was confirmed long ago .. not here.

[SKIN4LIFE]

Fool4life, clever, but I'm sure we can measure intelligence on many levels and I would far surpass you. Additionally, name calling supports this fact.

As for the LCL, I'm sure all doctors are not linked to the team, and as I stated in the original post, all doctors are downplaying the LCL injury in comparison to the ACL. I'm a Biochemistry and Molecular Biology major which allows me to say I know a little about the body, and I agree with what I'm hearing. Something tells me you lack a degree relating to health and/or the human body so I will restrain from commenting on anything else you have to say because the comment is probably false.

Take care DaSkinz Baby.

[RayNAustin]

:roll: OH NO! .. I was kind of enjoying reading some of the really STUPID posts and hypotheses ... they took me away from considering the reality ....

Oh, you mean like "Good News!!! RG3's Knee only needs massive reconstructive surgery" ???

Guess what .... apparently some people actually understand my "silly points".

[Redskin in Canada]

:roll: OH NO! .. I was kind of enjoying reading some of the really STUPID posts and hypotheses ... they took me away from considering the reality ....

Oh, you mean like "Good News!!! RG3's Knee only needs massive reconstructive surgery" ???

Guess what .... apparently some people actually understand my "silly points".

After a bit of encouragement and a few consecutive good posts in previous months, we are back to the OLD RAY: bitter, sour, pessimistic, negative, emotional, and, most importantly, he KNOWS IT ALL better than ANYBODY else.

Thanks for the reminder, Ray, it was time to re-discover the OLD RAY.

[RayNAustin]

I love the fact that we have two threads called "Good news about RGIII's knee" and "Bad news about RGIII's knee". It just seems so very Hogs.net

Sounds a bit "Orwellian" to me.

Son: Good news and bad news dad ... I wrapped your brand new corvette around a telephone pole.

Dad: What's the good news?

Son: I didn't die in the accident, so you'll still have the pleasure of killing me!

[The Hogster]

There's no point in speculating on recovery time when no one has an idea of what exactly the doctors are doing with the knee. Mort appears to have jumped the gun with his report, and we won't know anything until after the surgery is completed.

It was completed this afternoon. He's going to rehab in Florida.

Update 12:21 p.m.: A person familiar with the situation said that Robert Griffin III’s knee surgery was completed just after noon Wednesday.
Dr. James Andrews repaired both Griffin’s lateral collateral and anterior cruciate ligaments, the person said. According to that person, Griffin plans to remain in Florida for the foreseeable future to be monitored and begin his rehabilitation. The initial six to eight weeks of recovery are considered critical key to his rehabilitation, the person said.


Update 10:57: While conducting surgery to repair the torn lateral collateral ligament in Robert Griffin III’s right knee, Dr. James Andrews found that the quarterback’s anterior cruciate ligament “needs to be stronger,” according to a person with knowledge of the situation.
It wasn’t immediately clear whether the ACL could be repaired, or if it would be completely replaced. Andrews already is repairing Griffin’s LCL.
Griffin’s surgery, which began at 7 a.m, was going well overall, the person said. There was no word on how long the procedure would take.

The Redskins haven’t responded to requests for information on the surgery or the condition of Griffin’s knee, which was determined when he was examined by Andrews in Gulf Breeze, Fla., on Tuesday.
Mark Adickes, the orthopedist who performed Griffin’s original ACL surgery in 2009, declined to comment, saying that he is consulting with the Griffin family and physicians at this time.
A person familiar with the situation said around 7 a.m. that Robert Griffin III’s surgery was underway. The person said Griffin’s lateral collateral ligament will be repaired and doctors will determine the extent of damage to his anterior cruciate ligament.
That person denied a report by ESPN saying doctors already had diagnosed a complete ACL tear. It’s possible that extensive damage to Griffin’s ACL will be found but doctors had not determined that to be the case prior to the surgery, the person said.
Before heading into surgery Griffin tweeted a message of thanks.

[RayNAustin]

:roll: OH NO! .. I was kind of enjoying reading some of the really STUPID posts and hypotheses ... they took me away from considering the reality ....

Oh, you mean like "Good News!!! RG3's Knee only needs massive reconstructive surgery" ???

Guess what .... apparently some people actually understand my "silly points".

After a bit of encouragement and a few consecutive good posts in previous months, we are back to the OLD RAY: bitter, sour, pessimistic, negative, emotional, and, most importantly, he KNOWS IT ALL better than ANYBODY else.

Thanks for the reminder, Ray, it was time to re-discover the OLD RAY.

I suggest you rediscover your memory about how many times I was right.

[Redskin in Canada]

BS is BS - Dr Andrews knows what is going on

there are a lot of 'quacks' that think they do

LOTS of quacks and quite A FEW TROLLS........roaming around here

But it is EXCITING to make INFLAMATORY statements in the absence of reliable information.

Who wishes to WAIT for a PROFESSIONAL diagnosis of the healing AFTER surgery?

Certainly not a TROLL or a quack. FACTS have nothing to do with emotion and misinformation.

I will hear carefully the news and report made AFTER surgery. And since there is NOTHING I can do other than pray and wish for the BEST, I will do that in the meantime.

Oh! and since I am a fan, I will cheer RG throughout his entire recovery.

RGIII !!! RGIII !!! RGIII !!! RGIII !!! RGIII !!! RGIII !!!

[masterkwon]

What's everybody so shocked about? Before preseason started I said the reconstructed knee would be an issue. It's not rocket science folks. The Little One knew the risk he was taking before he mortgaged the franchise on Robert.

[NYFINESTSKINSFAN]

:shock: Didn't know there are so many perfect people in this world who do the right thing every time and who have never made a bad decision in their life

Mike made a huge mistake, maybe the worse of his career and he needs to own up to it. He is the HC and the buck stops with him. You see your most prized player hobbling all over the field, you pull him out. A non expert like myself knew that and I was right. Even in that case I don't think he deserves to be fired. He does need to learn from this and I think he will be a better and more responsible head coach than before. I just pray that RGIII will be back and better than before for 2014, if God's will, 2013.

Maybe he did. Its easy to sit in front of your TV watching it all from the outside and only knowing what you have been told then say what was the right thing to do. You really know nothing about the people involved, what was going threw their heads and you didn't have a kid in front of you going " I'm fine and I want to be out there". And what if it all went for the good? What if we won and he didn't hurt himself more?Then everyone would be on here saying they knew that was going to happen too. They see it right, they see it well and yet they think this saves me from my hell

Nope, so the biggest acquisition in Skins history is clearly hobbling all over the field barely able to make passes and in clear pain, you take him out. It doesn't take a head coach to know to make a common sense decision.

We can what if all we like, but RGIII being seriously injured is not a what if but a matter of fact.

[Redskin in Canada]

There's no point in speculating on recovery time when no one has an idea of what exactly the doctors are doing with the knee. Mort appears to have jumped the gun with his report, and we won't know anything until after the surgery is completed.

It was completed this afternoon. He's going to rehab in Florida.

Update 12:21 p.m.: A person familiar with the situation said that Robert Griffin III’s knee surgery was completed just after noon Wednesday.
Dr. James Andrews repaired both Griffin’s lateral collateral and anterior cruciate ligaments, the person said. According to that person, Griffin plans to remain in Florida for the foreseeable future to be monitored and begin his rehabilitation. The initial six to eight weeks of recovery are considered critical key to his rehabilitation, the person said.


Update 10:57: While conducting surgery to repair the torn lateral collateral ligament in Robert Griffin III’s right knee, Dr. James Andrews found that the quarterback’s anterior cruciate ligament “needs to be stronger,” according to a person with knowledge of the situation.
It wasn’t immediately clear whether the ACL could be repaired, or if it would be completely replaced. Andrews already is repairing Griffin’s LCL.
Griffin’s surgery, which began at 7 a.m, was going well overall, the person said. There was no word on how long the procedure would take.

The Redskins haven’t responded to requests for information on the surgery or the condition of Griffin’s knee, which was determined when he was examined by Andrews in Gulf Breeze, Fla., on Tuesday.
Mark Adickes, the orthopedist who performed Griffin’s original ACL surgery in 2009, declined to comment, saying that he is consulting with the Griffin family and physicians at this time.
A person familiar with the situation said around 7 a.m. that Robert Griffin III’s surgery was underway. The person said Griffin’s lateral collateral ligament will be repaired and doctors will determine the extent of damage to his anterior cruciate ligament.
That person denied a report by ESPN saying doctors already had diagnosed a complete ACL tear. It’s possible that extensive damage to Griffin’s ACL will be found but doctors had not determined that to be the case prior to the surgery, the person said.
Before heading into surgery Griffin tweeted a message of thanks.

Thanks man! Over 5 hour surgery.

Thanks for the HIGHLIGHTED portion, which is what really matters.

[Redskin in Canada]

:roll: OH NO! .. I was kind of enjoying reading some of the really STUPID posts and hypotheses ... they took me away from considering the reality ....

Oh, you mean like "Good News!!! RG3's Knee only needs massive reconstructive surgery" ???

Guess what .... apparently some people actually understand my "silly points".

After a bit of encouragement and a few consecutive good posts in previous months, we are back to the OLD RAY: bitter, sour, pessimistic, negative, emotional, and, most importantly, he KNOWS IT ALL better than ANYBODY else.

Thanks for the reminder, Ray, it was time to re-discover the OLD RAY.

I suggest you rediscover your memory about how many times I was right.

Ohhhh! There is plenty of them BOTH ways, Ray.

You are just getting EMOTION and FEAR take over the rational approach which you SOME TIMES take.

[The Hogster]

Stop whining. What's done is done. We aren't playing this weekend because we lost. Should we, could we, and would we have won with a healthy RGIII?? Yes.

But, that wasn't the case, and it does nothing to cry over spilled milk. Let's hope that he can put this knee issue behind him now that it's been repaired. The positive aspect of this is that structurally his knee will be stronger than ever. And, at age 22, he should regain his strength, speed, and explosiveness a lot quicker than he would if he were 29 or so.

[Redskin in Canada]

Stop whining. What's done is done. We aren't playing this weekend because we lost. Should we, could we, and would we have won with a healthy RGIII?? Yes.

But, that wasn't the case, and it does nothing to cry over spilled milk. Let's hope that he can put this knee issue behind him now that it's been repaired. The positive aspect of this is that structurally his knee will be stronger than ever. And, at age 22, he should regain his strength, speed, and explosiveness a lot quicker than he would if he were 29 or so.

AMEN.

If there was a good ending to a thread, this would be it!

Well done, Hogster, well done!

[DaSkinz Baby]

:shock: Didn't know there are so many perfect people in this world who do the right thing every time and who have never made a bad decision in their life

Mike made a huge mistake, maybe the worse of his career and he needs to own up to it. He is the HC and the buck stops with him. You see your most prized player hobbling all over the field, you pull him out. A non expert like myself knew that and I was right. Even in that case I don't think he deserves to be fired. He does need to learn from this and I think he will be a better and more responsible head coach than before. I just pray that RGIII will be back and better than before for 2014, if God's will, 2013.

Maybe he did. Its easy to sit in front of your TV watching it all from the outside and only knowing what you have been told then say what was the right thing to do. You really know nothing about the people involved, what was going threw their heads and you didn't have a kid in front of you going " I'm fine and I want to be out there". And what if it all went for the good? What if we won and he didn't hurt himself more?Then everyone would be on here saying they knew that was going to happen too. They see it right, they see it well and yet they think this saves me from my hell

Nope, so the biggest acquisition in Skins history is clearly hobbling all over the field barely able to make passes and in clear pain, you take him out. It doesn't take a head coach to know to make a common sense decision.

We can what if all we like, but RGIII being seriously injured is not a what if but a matter of fact.

How true, how vry true. However one can deduce that unless your SKIN4LIFE you can't have a differing opinion and post on a message board without being a fool. Because it's obvious that SKIN4LIFE is actually either Daniel Snyder or Jesus Christ and knows everything......

[gushogs]

I was gonna start crying over spilled milk, but...... All left to be done is hope and pray for the best. After last season with Peterson rushing for +2100 yds after his surgery, I won't be surprise if RG3 is the starting QB by opening day, also it won't be a surprise if he doesn't play in 2013. Last thing for me to say is that whoever has the crystal ball that got Kirk drafted last April is better than the Mayans by faaaaar.
HaiL,

[TimSkin]

Stop whining. What's done is done. We aren't playing this weekend because we lost. Should we, could we, and would we have won with a healthy RGIII?? Yes.

But, that wasn't the case, and it does nothing to cry over spilled milk. Let's hope that he can put this knee issue behind him now that it's been repaired. The positive aspect of this is that structurally his knee will be stronger than ever. And, at age 22, he should regain his strength, speed, and explosiveness a lot quicker than he would if he were 29 or so.

+1....Couldn't have said it better myself Hogster....We got a heck of a future and I'm darn excited about it

[welch]

I assume that Robert Griffin will rehab all next season. So be it. Better a rehab than to have him crippled.

Time to move on.

[RayNAustin]

People I think you all need to do some simple research about LCL injuries and time tables. For the people that don't get it, the LCL is FAR MORE COMPLEX than an ACL or MCL tear. I believe that RG3 will come back and may even be better than ever but I doubt he comes back in 2013. 9-12 months people for a full LCL recovery. People also understand this has nothing to do with Adrian Peterson or his injury the LCL is the worst injury and when they use a complete RECONSTRUCTION verbage I tend to think that the knee is SHREDDED. The best thing that can happen is the knee get's fully repaired, and during next year's season he rehab's and get the muscles strong again and works on his explosion and continues to study the play book. 2014 he comes back hungrier than ever and then craps on the division again. I truly believe next year is a wash for RG3 and anyone that believes he will be back is basically a gullible imbecile.

I agree with your conclusions, but not the details. Everything I've read, and the commentary by other surgeons suggest a longer recovery from an ACL ... of 6-8 months, and 4-6 Months for an LCL. Obviously, or maybe it isn't obvious, but should be, is that the recovery time is longer if BOTH reconstructions are required .. it's not simply a case of both healing at the same time, using the longer period as the total period of healing. There is concurrent healing of course, but the body only heals so fast, and the combination of both assaults require some additional healing time as opposed to just a single ligament reconstruction.

As for whether RG3 CAN be ready for the 2013 season, depends on numerous variables, to include how one defines "ready", what portion of the season you're looking at, and what risk you're willing to take in returning. Peterson took his first live game action 8 1/2 months after surgery to repair his two ligament reconstruction, though he considered himself ready to play a month sooner in the pre-season, but the Vikings did not want to risk it. And according to several medical sources, a full recovery still takes 12 months for healing to complete ... which does not mean the athlete cannot perform before that, only that a full healing takes 12 months complete.

The real issue is that Peterson's return in the 8 1/2 month mark is considered a tremendously fast recovery .... so that would lead any logical person to view this claim of 6-8 months time frame for RG3 to be extremely questionable, perhaps even dubious. 8 months? Maybe. 6 Months, preposterous, unless you want to send him out prematurely, and risk re-injury and extremely risky consequences for his future.

There is a lot of damage control and cover-your-butt politics going on here, and for those who simply swallow whatever bait is dangled in front of them ... well, fish love fish stories, especially the stories of the ones that got away.

Everyone is free to believe what they "want to believe" ... I prefer to look at reality, without the rose colored glasses being sold by those covering for their own poor judgement.

[RayNAustin]

:roll: OH NO! .. I was kind of enjoying reading some of the really STUPID posts and hypotheses ... they took me away from considering the reality ....

Oh, you mean like "Good News!!! RG3's Knee only needs massive reconstructive surgery" ???

Guess what .... apparently some people actually understand my "silly points".

After a bit of encouragement and a few consecutive good posts in previous months, we are back to the OLD RAY: bitter, sour, pessimistic, negative, emotional, and, most importantly, he KNOWS IT ALL better than ANYBODY else.

Thanks for the reminder, Ray, it was time to re-discover the OLD RAY.

I suggest you rediscover your memory about how many times I was right.

Ohhhh! There is plenty of them BOTH ways, Ray.

You are just getting EMOTION and FEAR take over the rational approach which you SOME TIMES take.

Rather than gratuitous jabs, perhaps you might like to debate an actual point for which you take issue, instead of just making a broad brush attack.

I'm more than willing to defend my points to conclusive victory anytime.

[SkinsJock]

I'm looking forward to seeing this kid actually 'benefitting' from the operation in that Dr Andrews was 'reportedly' able to do some work on the ACL - thereby making it 'better' than before

I look forward to seeing if RG3 can actually end up being a little faster than he was in 2012

I also would anticipate that he's going to be a whole lot wiser

So wiser and faster works for me - man are we lucky - this might have been a disaster ....


HAIL

[DaSkinz Baby]

People I think you all need to do some simple research about LCL injuries and time tables. For the people that don't get it, the LCL is FAR MORE COMPLEX than an ACL or MCL tear. I believe that RG3 will come back and may even be better than ever but I doubt he comes back in 2013. 9-12 months people for a full LCL recovery. People also understand this has nothing to do with Adrian Peterson or his injury the LCL is the worst injury and when they use a complete RECONSTRUCTION verbage I tend to think that the knee is SHREDDED. The best thing that can happen is the knee get's fully repaired, and during next year's season he rehab's and get the muscles strong again and works on his explosion and continues to study the play book. 2014 he comes back hungrier than ever and then craps on the division again. I truly believe next year is a wash for RG3 and anyone that believes he will be back is basically a gullible imbecile.

I agree with your conclusions, but not the details. Everything I've read, and the commentary by other surgeons suggest a longer recovery from an ACL ... of 6-8 months, and 4-6 Months for an LCL. Obviously, or maybe it isn't obvious, but should be, is that the recovery time is longer if BOTH reconstructions are required .. it's not simply a case of both healing at the same time, using the longer period as the total period of healing. There is concurrent healing of course, but the body only heals so fast, and the combination of both assaults require some additional healing time as opposed to just a single ligament reconstruction.

As for whether RG3 CAN be ready for the 2013 season, depends on numerous variables, to include how one defines "ready", what portion of the season you're looking at, and what risk you're willing to take in returning. Peterson took his first live game action 8 1/2 months after surgery to repair his two ligament reconstruction, though he considered himself ready to play a month sooner in the pre-season, but the Vikings did not want to risk it. And according to several medical sources, a full recovery still takes 12 months for healing to complete ... which does not mean the athlete cannot perform before that, only that a full healing takes 12 months complete.

The real issue is that Peterson's return in the 8 1/2 month mark is considered a tremendously fast recovery .... so that would lead any logical person to view this claim of 6-8 months time frame for RG3 to be extremely questionable, perhaps even dubious. 8 months? Maybe. 6 Months, preposterous, unless you want to send him out prematurely, and risk re-injury and extremely risky consequences for his future.

There is a lot of damage control and cover-your-butt politics going on here, and for those who simply swallow whatever bait is dangled in front of them ... well, fish love fish stories, especially the stories of the ones that got away.

Everyone is free to believe what they "want to believe" ... I prefer to look at reality, without the rose colored glasses being sold by those covering for their own poor judgement.

+1 the only thing left is to wonder and plot as to why Dr. Andrews hasn't released any statement. I know for a fact that with his popularity some type of official word should have come down from Mount Snyder. I just am expecting the worse that way when it becomes official I can be prepared and on the off chance he makes it back by game 1 I will be happier than a pig in slop....

[grampi]

Unless a doctor makes an offcial statement saying RG3 can never play again, nothing is difinitive. Everything else is pure speculation, even coming from a doctor. I'm sure the doctors were saying AP would be lucky to be able to play this year at all, let alone almost set a new rushing record. The bottom line here is that everyone heals differently. The only way for sure to know when RG3 will be ready to play again, and how well he'll be able to to play is to wait and see. Speculations (and that's all they are at this point) are just that. I will say there has been many NFL players who have suffered similar, or even worse knee injuries and came back to have long, productive careers. I have no reason to believe RG3 won't do the same....