Any and All News About RG3's Knee - Merged

[SkinsJock]

OH MAN - are you kidding me ...

[DaSkinz Baby]

I think you need to check more sources. The injury is a tear to his LCL which is a longer heal time than an ACL.

This is incorrect. A LCL is a much quicker recovery time than an ACL since it had beyer blood flow.

Really?? LMMFAO cause Michael Jablonski who Dr. Andrews taught says this about the LCL:

Jablonski says it's unlikely that the LCL was torn in isolation – "I've seen like five isolated LCL tears [in 13 years]" – and it's the potential of multiple ligament damage that puts Griffin's short-term prognosis in the most peril. Jablonski said ACL injuries take six to eight months to heal and "a year to forget about it," meaning a year before the patient doesn't feel any after-effects. The LCL complicates the issue, because while an ACL regulates front-to-back motion, the LCL controls side-to-side movement.

"It makes it more difficult," said Jablonski, now the orthopedic doctor for the University of Central Florida athletic department. "You're trying to restore stability in more than one plane."

And because Griffin's mastery comes in both straight-ahead speed and lateral motion, his full recovery will be more tenuous than it would be for a more traditional drop-back passer.

"For that type of player to return to that same level of play, the chances are going to be lower than if it was a single-ligament injury," Jablonski said.

Asked if Griffin's Olympic-level speed is at risk, Jablonski said, "There's no question it's at risk. Not everybody regains full range of motion. It's still unstable and maybe can't get back to what it was."

ROTFLMAO
You used a quote that from a Dr. that doesn't address my comments at all. I said the LCL heals quicker, because it does, and the Dr. said it complicate things. OK, so how does that refute what I said.

Well thus far I have been batting 1000 we will just have to wait and see. NO WHERE DOES IT SAY THE LCL HEALS QUICKER other than your post. I will believe Dr. Daniel Gordon from:

Carolina Imaging
Hospital · Clinic
3628 Cape Center Dr
Fayetteville, NC 28304-4406

Before I take your post with anything more than a grain of salt. I do know that generally a ACL is seen as a more severe injury especially coupled with it already being injured, however LCL tears and the repair can be very long and drawn out. But for the sake of argument and your ROFLYAO let's just hope and pray that he heals quickly and can come back by the start of the season.

Ok, maybe you should listen to this clip from the SpotsJunkies when they had the Executive director of at St Vincent sports medicine come on and talk about RG3 and the recovery process. He called the LCL recovery almost a non factor since it heals at a much faster rate than the ACL.
http://castroller.com/Podcasts/TheSportsJunkies/3253870

I'm not disagreeing with your write from your Dr, I'm just saying it doesn't discredit what I'm saying.

Agreed.....two differing opinions on LCL injuries, all the while we hope and pray RG3 is able to heal quickly and come back in time......!!!!

[DaSkinz Baby]

OH MAN - are you kidding me ...

So your going to tell me that based on all the other pressers he has had he was the same? You didn't pick up that he seemed a bit annoyed and really wasn't "into" this press conference? I understand many things are open to interpretation but man....

[SkinsJock]

BS is BS - Dr Andrews knows what is going on

there are a lot of 'quacks' that think they do

LOTS of quacks and quite A FEW TROLLS........roaming around here

AND .. that's the 'good news' ....

[SkinsJock]

Plenty of emotion round here, and understandably so. It's at times like this that I prefer not to post for a day or two.

Everything is speculation right now - speculation based on what has been said, and speculation based on what hasn't been said.

Personally, I'm trying to brace for the worst possible news (well, not the very worst possible - that would be career ending injury), and expecting not to see RGIII in the huddle again until 2014. If we get to see him starting in week one next season, a very large bullet will have been dodged by us, by Shanahan, by the Redskins medical staff, and by RGIII.

I'm not speaking from hindsight when I say that I wanted RGIII taken out of the game at halftime on Sunday. Every movement he tried to make was uncomfortable for me, and probably excruciating for him. I like to think that if I'd been in Shanahan's shoes, I'd have had the courage/sense to take #10 out, and brought in Cousins.

I'd have taken that decision based on having a duty of care for the player, and an obligation not to take UNNECESSARY risks with his health. Yes, there are risks for every player on every play, but that does not give coaches a get out of jail free card when making decisions like this.

Not only that, my decision would have been based on my belief that RGIII's standard of play was well below normal. Yes, there were a couple of drops, but a number of his throws just weren't on target. With his performance against Cleveland, Cousins had earned the right to be trusted with the job in the second half. I'll go further than that, and say that if it had been Rex Grossman dressed on the sideline instead of Cousins, I'd have sent Rex in. A gamble in terms of trying to win the game, but so was keeping Griffin in the game. And it would have removed the foolish gamble with RGIII's health.

Just my opinion. And as I said, believe me that this isn't just hindsight.

Shanahan has stated that he'll probably second guess his decisions, and he'd be right to. I think he got this wrong.

Thanks UK ..

worth looking at again IMO

[CanesSkins26]

Wow... what dimension was the presser you watched in? I watched the one in THIS universe...

I will admit that I only saw clips on a DC morning news show, so I may have taken it out of context...BUT I still contend that it was selfish to not man up and pull yourself out of a game (if your dumbass coach won't do it himself) to give your team a better chance to advance and win.

Players want to play and most won't take themselves out of a game. It's Shanahan's job to make the right decision and protect his player, and he blew it in this instance by leaving him in for too long. Could RGIII have chosen his words a little better? Possibly. But the guy is 22 years old and had just gotten seriously injured and the team's season ended, so cut the guy some slack.

[The Hogster]

I can't stand emotional fans. None of us have seen the MRI, examined his knee, or has the complete medical understanding of this. You can't Google your way into a medical degree.

Dr. James Andrews is not going to b.s. the recovery time. And, nobody should be listening to anyone other than the person with the full information at hand. If you don't trust Dr. Andrews, that's your business. But, he doesn't have a history of b.s'ng, and he's 72.

[DaSkinz Baby]

I can't stand emotional fans. None of us have seen the MRI, examined his knee, or has the complete medical understanding of this. You can't Google your way into a medical degree.

Dr. James Andrews is not going to b.s. the recovery time. And, nobody should be listening to anyone other than the person with the full information at hand. If you don't trust Dr. Andrews, that's your business. But, he doesn't have a history of b.s'ng, and he's 72.

But it seems the Redskins have a history of BS TOLOGY especially with the injury. First Shanny said the Doc gave the okay, then game day a report comes out he didn't give the okay and has been scared that he is even playing. To now there seems to be some back pedaling by both parties to now waiting to hear from Andrews himself. All the while us fans are on pins and needles doing every second refreshes on Redskins.Com to see if there is any new updates!!

[DaSkinz Baby]

Robert Griffin III underwent surgery early this morning to repair a torn lateral collateral ligament in his right knee and during the procedure it was discovered he also suffered damage to his anterior cruciate ligament.

USA Today Sports received a text message from Griffin III’s father who says the initial MRI showed no evidence of a tear to the ACL, the ligament he had repaired in 2009.

“Robert’s ACL is intact, but not enough for his profession,” Robert Griffin III said. “You and I could be fine. But he is an athlete. So they will replace.”

The surgery was performed by orthopedist and Redskins employee James Andrews in Pensacola, Fl. Griffin III aggravated the injury last Sunday during the team’s playoff game against the Seattle Seahawks. He originally suffered a sprain to his LCL on Dec. 9 during a game against the Baltimore Ravens.

Griffin III's timetable to return is not known at this point. Stay tuned for more updates as this story develops.

http://www.csnwashington.com/football-w ... te-surgery

[CanesSkins26]

There's no point in speculating on recovery time when no one has an idea of what exactly the doctors are doing with the knee. Mort appears to have jumped the gun with his report, and we won't know anything until after the surgery is completed.

[spudstr04]

While conducting surgery to repair the torn lateral collateral ligament in Robert Griffin III’s right knee, Dr. James Andrews found that the quarterback’s anterior cruciate ligament is in relatively good condition. But a person with knowledge of the situation said the ligament “needs to be stronger.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... -at-7-a-m/

[DaSkinz Baby]

The surgery on Robert Griffin III's right knee is complete. Now comes the hard part for the Washington Redskins quarterback.

Robert Griffin's father confirmed to USA TODAY Sports that it was determined Wednesday that RG3 needed to have his anterior cruciate ligament repaired.
"Robert's ACL is intact, but not enough for his profession," Griffin II said, via text. "You and I could be fine. But he is an athlete. So they will replace."

Griffin is facing a long recovery after surgery on Wednesday morning to his lateral collateral ligament and ACL. Earlier, a source close to Griffin told NFL.com's Jeff Darlington that the final determination on whether Griffin needed his ACL repaired would be made during surgery by Dr. James Andrews.

At that point, it was determined that the ACL also needed to be repaired.

Getting both ligaments repaired could slow Griffin's recovery, but we are living in a different era of ACL surgeries. Adrian Peterson nearly broke the NFL's rushing record after tearing his ACL in late December 2011. Players routinely return from ACL surgery in time for Week 1 after getting injured late in the season.
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Every player's recovery varies. We'll hear a lot of estimated timelines, but no one knows this early in the process.

Some players need a full season to get fully back up to speed. Others, like Peterson, look better than ever. It's discouraging for Griffin's development because he will have to focus on rehab rather than honing his skills in his first full offseason as a pro. But he's been through this before at Baylor, and Griffin's accuracy and decision-making stood out even more than his speed as a rookie.

He will likely have to lean on those skills more than ever in 2013, because the Redskins' read-option offense may have to be pared down as Griffin gets healthy again.

RG3 somehow managed to rise above the lofty expectations and hype he brought to the NFL in his rookie season. There's no reason to think he can't overcome this injury too.

[Irn-Bru]

Dude, you really need to provide links. Before the copy/paste job.

[PulpExposure]

That's an unintentionally hilarious double post wrapped around Irn-Bru's request.

Well he's in for recovery and rehab. But Shanahan has to make sure that Griffin is healed before he goes back onto the playing field; the precedent has already been set that Griffin will play injured. It's Shanahan's job to make sure that doesn't happen this time.

[markshark84]

This is not the best news, but expected.

The fact that RGIII is 22 (23 in 1 month), he has an incredible work ethic, and a very supportive family (and military) will help him in the tremendously in the rehabilitation process.

I personally believe he will be back in 6-7 months, but not play much in the preseason (making his recovery period more like 8-9 months). However, he most likely will not regain the explosiveness we saw in weeks 1-10 until 2014. Then again, he's not an RB so as long as he has 80% of the speed he had last year, he should be just fine.

[DaSkinz Baby]

Dude, you really need to provide links. Before the copy/paste job.

Sorry http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... right-knee

[TimSkin]

Shanny did make a very big mistake but he's also a huge reason why we finished 10-6 and why the franchise is getting back to a respectable status. Firing Mike would risk having all of this torn apart with a new coach starting over and the players/coaches getting familiar with each other again. This is exactly what we wanted Danny boy to start doing by letting things cool down before making big decisions for the old Danny prolly would've fired Shanny while he was walking off the field on Sunday. We don't even know exactly how bad RG3's knee is for sure and he is in the most capable hands he could possibly be in right now. Who knows maybe we will be sitting here a year from now preparing to host a wildcard winner. We are building something here so lets stick with it.

[hanburgerheel]

That's an unintentionally hilarious double post wrapped around Irn-Bru's request.

Well he's in for recovery and rehab. But Shanahan has to make sure that Griffin is healed before he goes back onto the playing field; the precedent has already been set that Griffin will play injured. It's Shanahan's job to make sure that doesn't happen this time.

Profound wisdom! Good observation. I have no doubt the man will recover. I'm more concerned with the same issue that has us all wondering how bad it is and how much was needed to repair it. That issue is; WILL THEY LEARN FROM IT? If their negligence is not corrected, it will happen again. Putting him out there before he is healed is exactly why he's under the knife now. Riding him like a pack mule and not using the competent back-up is just as bad for RG3's career as anything. He can't endure this every year or every other year.

[welch]

That's an unintentionally hilarious double post wrapped around Irn-Bru's request.

Well he's in for recovery and rehab. But Shanahan has to make sure that Griffin is healed before he goes back onto the playing field; the precedent has already been set that Griffin will play injured. It's Shanahan's job to make sure that doesn't happen this time.

I'd repeat that in boldface italics. Let's assume that Robert Griffin will not play next year. Better that than letting him play while still healing.

[SkinsJock]

OH NO! .. I was kind of enjoying reading some of the really STUPID posts and hypotheses ... they took me away from considering the reality ....

[RayNAustin]

Look guys, after reading through these responses, I feel like I've entered the Twilight Zone, with some of the shoddy logic and inane thinking going on here.

I think you need to check more sources. The injury is a tear to his LCL which is a longer heal time than an ACL.

Not true .. it's the exact opposite. LCL is less recovery time than an ACL, by an estimated 2 months.

I am done reading about "the knee" OR hearing from quacks

ALL THAT MATTERS to me is what Dr Andrews says and intimates ...

Congratulations ... the most illogical post of the month. The general prognosis for recovering from a multi-ligament reconstruction is nowhere near 6 months, and that number shouldn't even enter a reasonable conversation. The history is clear, and those who simply state the facts are not "Quacks" ... these other voices are qualified surgeons who have done many of these same procedures and know what the realistic recovery times are.

Your first clue to the absurdity of this alleged 6 Month recovery window is the fact that Adrian Peterson's recovery is considered unprecedented and miraculous, and his recovery took over 8 months, and by all accounts, able to perform, but not "fully healed" because full healing takes 12 months. But to say you don't care what anyone else says other than Andrews is a confession that you really have no grasp of the details and context of the situation, and why the doctor might sugar coat the more realistic expectations for recovery. Frankly, you are ignoring the politics clearly at play here, and the fact that both Andrews and Shanahan now own this debacle equally. We've already seen Andrews backtrack on statements he made that caused a mini-controversy which placed Shanahan in an unfavorable light. So I wouldn't take Andrews soft-shoe as some form of biblical fact.

I'll bet anyone a steak dinner he's ready to play the 1st preseason game...

The idiom "a fool and his money are soon parted" comes to mind here.

Gentlemen ... lets use our heads for something other than a place to put our Redskin caps on backwards, OKAY?

For those oblivious to the politics surrounding this issue, listen up. Andrews made some comments that the media jumped on like a dog on a bone and came after Shanahan with hard questions about his honesty ... and of course, we are then presented with the "miscommunication" explanation, and technically, Andrews revised his statements accordingly. Now, moving forward, we have the Seattle game, with Andrews on the sidelines, ostensibly monitoring RG3's status, as he limps around the field, clearly not right, and Shanahan making the decision to allow him to continue playing, with the safety net of having Andrews there as a quasi-endorsement for that decision. In lieu of Andrews telling Shanahan outright ... he can't play anymore ... Shanahan has this inbuilt buffer for any criticism or fall out, and by the same token, the Doctor cannot do anything but agree, if he did not directly object to RG3 remaining in the game. So what could he possibly say after the fact?

After the game, the initial secrecy or unwillingness to provide a definitive diagnosis is a red flag. We have this "question mark" about the extent of the damage, and told that they would reserve judgement on the ACL, and perform the LCL reconstruction and look at the ACL while doing so. Then the story shifts again to say that both will be reconstructed, and surgery is scheduled immediately.

In another thread, I told you all that during time of going to Florida for re-examination, Shanahan would be combing through the film, looking for evidence to support the notion that the additional injury occurred late in the game, rather than much earlier, which we saw with our own eyes during the second series in the 1st Q, and the subsequent total inability of RG3 to function ... run or pass accurately for the next 3 quarters of play. And low and behold, sue-prise sue-prise, Shanahan comes out with his evidence that he thinks it was the sack just prior to the bad snap, knee buckling event late in the 4th quarter that caused the additional injury.

That of course is "plausible" when looking at the film. Heck, such damage can occur without contact at all, and without definitive visual evidence other than the collapse of the quad muscles releasing when the ligament goes. (which we do have visual evidence of it happening in the 1st quarter!!!). Furthermore, the damage could be cumulative, occurring over the course of play from that point forward ... the already damaged LCL, could have given way in the 1st Q ... and that additional instability allowed for the ACL injury later ... or the ACL could have torn in the 1st Q. NOBODY CAN SAY with any rock solid degree of certainty. But what is certain ... and one best not overlook this fact .... the sack which Shanahan claims is when the additional injury occurred was a result of a player who was incapable at that point of escaping the pass rush, or protecting himself. So either way, it does not exonerate Shanahan or the Doctor for the poor judgement in allowing RG3 to continue playing until he physically could no longer remain on the field.

Now if you were born yesterday ... if your butt just fell off the cabbage truck yesterday afternoon, then you might miss this clear exercise of damage control and C-Y-A going on here ... but for anyone else that isn't an infant, the situation is a little more evident. The fact is, it would look T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E for both Andrews and Shanahan if anyone believed that additional injury occurred in the 1st quarter, and they both agreed to allow RG3 to continue playing, and risking ADDITIONAL DAMAGE to his knee for 3 bloody quarters of live football action, to include called bootleg plays, one of which was called in the freaking 4th quarter!!!!

Am I the only one willing to look beneath the surface, or scrutinize this official "narrative"? Come on ... this isn't rocket science .. just common sense boys.

Even Shanahan himself said that anyone who would ignore the Doctor's advice to pull him from the game should be "fired". Of course, that's a self serving statement since it is obvious that the Doc apparently made no such recommendation, so both Andrews and Shanahan are now in bed together on this, and both have everything to loose, credibility and integrity wise, by not sticking to the same conclusion favorable to themselves.

And if you were the doctor or Shanahan, which story would you prefer to offer the owner of this wrecked Lamborghini .... 1) that he'll be good as new for the upcoming season ... or 2) that he'd better resign himself to using his backup car for most of 2013, as his prized race car is pretty banged up?

I hope Snyder has the intelligence to see through this CYA smokescreen, but I'm afraid, even if he does, doing anything other than supporting Shanahan could place the Redskins organization in legal jeopardy of negligence in the safety of the player ... so it's probably going to just be swept under the rug.

[UK Skins Fan]

I can't stand emotional fans.

[UK Skins Fan]

I love the fact that we have two threads called "Good news about RGIII's knee" and "Bad news about RGIII's knee". It just seems so very Hogs.net

[SkinsJock]

GUILTY - and I'll repeat it ...

regarding RG3's knee - I DON"T CARE WHAT ANYONE (OTHER THAN DR ANDREWS) SAYS OR IS QUOTED AS SAYING OR WRITING


that's just me - most here just seem to want to appear as being knowledgeable about this - I doubt that anyone here can convince me that they have a better idea of what is going on in that joint than Dr Andrews




btw - I'm having a lot of fun reading some of this STUPID stuff

Dr Andrews will provide the medical 'stuff' I need and RG3 will show me that he hasn't lost a step and may in fact be 'faster' when he gets back on the field

[SkinsJock]

ACTUALLY - Ray .... thanks for confirming something I've thought for a long while

you really do not have much of a clue at all, do you - why else would you go to such incredible trouble to try and make a silly little point with so may of your posts