Hello Skins From A Seahawk

[HEROHAMO]

Seattle has an excellent defense.

However they have never faced an offense like this one. The threat of RG3 running will keep the linebackers honest. Just an example of one such play that is a nightmare to defend is the bootleg out of the pistol. RG3 bootlegs to to either side, fakes a handoff freezing the linebackers and possibly the corners if they are in cover 2. Now that leaves the secondary one on one with the fastest receiver you guys have seen in Garcon who is faster then RG3. Cam Chanceleor is very good but he is not fast enough to keep up with Garcon.

Santana Moss is small fast and quick. He may be able to have a good game.

Aldrick Robinson is another very fast small receiver who can get deep.

I have a feeling Paulsen our big strong TE will have a big game.

As far as Wilson goes. I said it before he is a poor mans RG3. He still has to prove he can win the big one. At Wisconsin he was very good just could never win the biggest games of his career. We will see.

Lynch is a beast nothing more to say there. Our defense is very good against the run.

[Irn-Bru]

-Is RG3 really that amazingly accurate that he doesn't ever throw picks, or has he been getting some lucky bounces?

I would say that he has so few picks because (a) he reads defenses very well, (b) he's accurate, (c) he doesn't force it, and (d) he hasn't thrown nearly as much downfield as other QBs.

(a), (b), and (c) are to Griffin's credit, and (d) comes from coaching/playcalling and the strength of his running ability. Surely if Griffin was playing the same kind of gameplan that Indy gives to Luck, he'd have many more picks.

I'd have to agree with you on a, b, and c, but take exception to d. He leads the league in YPR, so he must be throwing the ball downfield (though we are getting more YAC this year.) He has less attempts than other QBs because usually we are rocking the running game and just don't need to pass as much as other teams. Running the ball also helps us control the clock, and keep the D off the field. I think if he had as many attempts as Luck, his completion % would be about the same, as would his throws/INT ratio.

Yes, I was mostly talking about the number of his attempts downfield. I do think if he was taking more shots, we'd see proportionately more interceptions. Hard to think he'd be able to keep the same ratio, but who knows.

[Deadskins]

I do think if he was taking more shots, we'd see proportionately more interceptions. Hard to think he'd be able to keep the same ratio, but who knows.

Aren't those things the same? How are you making the case for them being different?

[skinsfan#33]

You might see more picks, but you would also see more TDs. One reason RG3's TD number was modest is because he doesn't takes chances that often. If he throws down field the guy is almost always open or 1 on 1 w/o safety help. He could have thrown deep more often and his INT numbers probably would have gone up, but of course his TD numbers would have gone up some too!

The fact is, he doesn't need to take chances with the ball. So his TD and INT #s are lower because of that.

Dallas played him tough last week. They said, "you beat throwing the ball last time, but not this time!" They concentrated on eliminating the big play in the passing game and dared us to beat them running the ball. Their defense played well enough to win. Mr Romocember did what he does best. He took chances with the ball and it but cost him on three plays.

The pick that Jackson had was an amazing play that he played perfectly. Tony saw him and tried to loft the ball over his head. If he had completed that it would have been a HUGE play. Romo took a chance and it burnt him, because he didn't expect a converted DE to be able to make that athletic a play and tok a little too much off of the ball. Good decision, bad pass.

My point is, Robert doesn't throw that pass. He eats it or scrambles. He doesn't take the chance. If Tony puts a little more air under that pass it is a 40-50 completion (if not a TD), but he didn't and it was a pick. Griffin is more cautious with the ball. He will eventually start taking more risk as he gains more experience, but he will never chuck the ball around willy nilly like Romo or Favre.

If the CHawks play us like the Cowboys did, they probably win. I don't think they will. I think they will try to stop the run and RG3 will have a HUGE day. If they try to take away the run, THEY WILL LOSE! If they try to play situational ball and guess, they will most likely lose! If they drop back and cover, take Robert's arm out of the game and just let the ground game go for 2 or 300 yards, they have a much better chance of winning.

In a nut shell they have to decide if they want to stop the pass or the run. The can't stop the run; they just can't (no one can against us), so they might as well shut down the passing game. Try to do both, they lose. Try to stop the run, they lose. Commit to eliminating the pass and they have a good shot of winning.

This is all assuming our D can force 4 or 5 punts and crate a turn over or two. If they let the CHawks score too much in the first half, we will shut down the running game, then all bets are off.

[skinsfan#33]

I do think if he was taking more shots, we'd see proportionately more interceptions. Hard to think he'd be able to keep the same ratio, but who knows.

Aren't those things the same? How are you making the case for them being different?

Maybe, maybe not. They could be different, depends on the base.

[Deadskins]

I do think if he was taking more shots, we'd see proportionately more interceptions. Hard to think he'd be able to keep the same ratio, but who knows.

Aren't those things the same? How are you making the case for them being different?

Maybe, maybe not. They could be different, depends on the base.

Huh? A ratio is a proportion. It is one number compared proportionately to another number. As Opie Taylor said, "Poor Horatio, only half a boy."

[The Hogster]

Silnwest wrote:

Now as to the zone read, we have been running that at times on offense for over half of the season. Pete Carroll studied the way you used RG3 and started incorporating that into how we use RW. The players who helped Wilson learn those concepts? (Wilson never ran the zone-read in college like RG3 did) Our three starting linebackers.

Every linebacker is a rookie or 2nd year player who often played half or more of their games in college against various option, zone-read, or pistol offenses. They are extremely quick, and were learning how to defend zone read in college years ago. They have only gotten better since then while practicing against Russell Wilson.

Russell isn't as fast as RG3, isn't as big, and doesn't have as strong of an arm. However he is a better runner. What I mean is that he can pick his way through a defense and get down before someone gets a big hit on him. (which has a side effect of frustrating defenses) He also has excellent vision when running, and uses his scrambling to set up his passing. He just plain doesn't play like a rookie.

No disrespect to Seattle. But, I don't think the fans are looking at this team realistically. Let's be clear. The Seahawks are a "good" team. That's really it. The defense is very good. However, the love affair that you seem to have with them is much more homerism than realism.

It's all about matchups. Your corners are tall. Yes. That doesn't matter against the type of offense we run. The Redskins beat you with misdirection, play action, and a collection of fast, and powerful receivers who live between the linebackers and safeties.

You seem to think that the relative inexperience of your linebackers is a benefit for you. While, we see that as an opportunity to exploit. When RGIII sticks the ball in Morris' gut, and our offensive line fires off in a zone stretch run fashion. Linebackers invariably come downhill to stop the run.

The problem is, RGIII is very adept at the play fake, and when he reads those LBs, he can pull the ball back and rip off an accurate bullet to a crossing Garcon, Moss, or Hankerson. It doesn't matter how big or quick your defenders are when they are out of position. The only way you'll be in position is if your guys guess right. And, nobody can guess right every play.

To be honest, the only matchup that goes in your favor is Special Teams. You have one of the best KO returners in the league. And, we have a kicker who will kick him several returnable balls. With that said, I expect our team to defy the odds and beat you handily.

The Seahawks are not nearly the same team on the road. Not only will you be on the road, you're coming across the entire country to play a game in DC where there are probably 0 Seahawks fans.

I simply don't think your team matches up well against ours. That is why I believe we beat you by this type of margin. Actually, I think the score is in the range of something like 24-13 in the 4th and we score a late TD after demoralizing you with the run.

[SkinsJock]

G'day Silnwest and welcome to the site

I'm looking forward to a close game here - I doubt that either defense let's this get away

I also feel it's going to be close at the end but look at it this way ...

If the Redskins are in front RG3 will find a way to keep our defense off the field and if we're behind he will find a way to win


I'm looking for another close, heart wrenching finish - that's really the way we like to win the big games

[The Hogster]

I appreciate a SEA fan coming here to talk football. But--unlike some posters here^^--I am not here to throw roses at the feet of their fans.

I call this one like I see it. Seattle is over confident--not only here--but on other sites--and I believe that comes from the way that RGIII looked to them on Sunday night.

All other fans know is that RGIII looked one way against the Cowboys on Thanksgiving, he got hurt, and now he looks gimpy.

That's only part of the story. The Cowboys were taking away the pass after getting torched in the last meeting. So, we relied heavily on the run. The fact that should scare other teams is that the Skins can beat you in many different ways.

I think the matchups favor the Skins. The Skins would have more trouble with a team like San Franciso that has a bigger more physical defense. Why?

Because in the zone read scheme, you're relying on your interior defenders to be able to stop the run. And, you need an athletic freak at Defensive End.

Aldon Smith is probably the only guy who could come close to being athletic enough to try and contain RGIII on plays where he keeps the ball. (He still can't keep up with him, but he's the kind of player that teams need to defend it).

You also need physical guys in the inside to stop the run because they are being left 1 man down.

Seattle is good but their strengths play right into our strengths. They are fast defenders whose over pursuit will leave them gashed.

31-13 31-17 at best.


BTW - RGIII said he might play without the brace this weekend which he says is the cause for his limp.

[Quackjack]

The Redskins momentum is Super Bowl caliber. The Hawks need to prepare well if they want to survive.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Russell Wilson is a better runner then 4.3~ speed and a olympic caliber hurdler? Wow. e must be have the rookie record for must rush yards by a qb by far then!
Lmmfao, that's some funny issh

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Daaaaaang! How fitting that the first post I see the new bling bling is a post defending our franchise qb vs an opponent!
Man I'm speechless... Total cool guy now!

[The Hogster]

Funny how the Seahawks fan doesn't acknowledge that we beat basically the same Seahawks team last year with Rex Grossman--in Seattle.

Sure they added Russell Wilson. But, we added RGIII & Alfred Morris. They will come back down to earth soon enough.

[Deadskins]

Pretty cool, CKRGIII. The first RGIII avatar.

[Silnwest]

Funny how the Seahawks fan doesn't acknowledge that we beat basically the same Seahawks team last year with Rex Grossman--in Seattle.

Sure they added Russell Wilson. But, we added RGIII & Alfred Morris. They will come back down to earth soon enough.

You're right, were only 4-11 against the redskins all time.... except every time we've met in the playoffs the Seahawks have won.

A starting quarterback, a starting middle linebacker, a new starter at linebacker, 2 new starters on our offensive line, and about 2 less injuries are the difference between our team last year and our team this year. On top of all the experience gained being the youngest team in the nfl last year, and the 2nd youngest this year. That game just plain isn't worth bringing up because they were effectively 2 different teams than the ones playing this year. Feel free to gloat about beating us last year though, I'll be plenty content in keeping our playoff win-streak against the Skins going.

[DarthMonk]

I do think if he was taking more shots, we'd see proportionately more interceptions. Hard to think he'd be able to keep the same ratio, but who knows.

Aren't those things the same? How are you making the case for them being different?

Maybe, maybe not. They could be different, depends on the base.

Huh? A ratio is a proportion. It is one number compared proportionately to another number. As Opie Taylor said, "Poor Horatio, only half a boy."

I can see a way out for Bru but it's got nothing to do with a base. We are not talking about exponential functions. I'll leave it to Bru if he wants to explain/wiggle.

Regardless, Griff is about as accurate as anyone right now. He is often "throwing guys open" and he does it so often it is clearly not luck.

[Deadskins]

I'll be plenty content in keeping our playoff win-streak against the Skins going.

Monday morning that will be your home playoff win-streak.

[Countertrey]

I do think if he was taking more shots, we'd see proportionately more interceptions. Hard to think he'd be able to keep the same ratio, but who knows.

Aren't those things the same? How are you making the case for them being different?

Maybe, maybe not. They could be different, depends on the base.

Huh? A ratio is a proportion. It is one number compared proportionately to another number. As Opie Taylor said, "Poor Horatio, only half a boy."

I can see a way out for Bru but it's got nothing to do with a base. We are not talking about exponential functions. I'll leave it to Bru if he wants to explain/wiggle.

Regardless, Griff is about as accurate as anyone right now. He is often "throwing guys open" and he does it so often it is clearly not luck.

There's a reason Bru is a philosopher, and not a mathematician...

You can thank me later, Bru!

[The Hogster]

Funny how the Seahawks fan doesn't acknowledge that we beat basically the same Seahawks team last year with Rex Grossman--in Seattle.

Sure they added Russell Wilson. But, we added RGIII & Alfred Morris. They will come back down to earth soon enough.

You're right, were only 4-11 against the redskins all time.... except every time we've met in the playoffs the Seahawks have won.

A starting quarterback, a starting middle linebacker, a new starter at linebacker, 2 new starters on our offensive line, and about 2 less injuries are the difference between our team last year and our team this year. On top of all the experience gained being the youngest team in the nfl last year, and the 2nd youngest this year. That game just plain isn't worth bringing up because they were effectively 2 different teams than the ones playing this year. Feel free to gloat about beating us last year though, I'll be plenty content in keeping our playoff win-streak against the Skins going.

I bring it up for the same reasons why you reference the 2 playoff victories. Those were 2 different teams too. 2005 & 2007 was a long time ago.

We have a revamped WR corps this year to go along with a new QB and new RB. Our offensive line was musical chairs all last year. This year, they started 15 games as a unit--then rushed for 268 yards with a replacement at LG last week.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Pretty cool, CKRGIII. The first RGIII avatar.

Of many to come!
The hogfather- ok that's seriously a cool screen name its gotta be in use?- did an amazing job as usual. Hands down the best thing I got for Christmas!

[Countertrey]

Pretty cool, CKRGIII. The first RGIII avatar.

Of many to come!
The hogfather- ok that's seriously a cool screen name its gotta be in use?- did an amazing job as usual. Hands down the best thing I got for Christmas!

LOOK!!! He gets a cool, new avatar, and suddenly, he SPEAKS ENGLISH!!!!

[Deadskins]

The hogfather- ok that's seriously a cool screen name its gotta be in use?

Yep.

[Irn-Bru]

I do think if he was taking more shots, we'd see proportionately more interceptions. Hard to think he'd be able to keep the same ratio, but who knows.

Aren't those things the same? How are you making the case for them being different?

Maybe, maybe not. They could be different, depends on the base.

Huh? A ratio is a proportion. It is one number compared proportionately to another number. As Opie Taylor said, "Poor Horatio, only half a boy."

I can see a way out for Bru but it's got nothing to do with a base. We are not talking about exponential functions. I'll leave it to Bru if he wants to explain/wiggle.

Regardless, Griff is about as accurate as anyone right now. He is often "throwing guys open" and he does it so often it is clearly not luck.

I was saying that if RGIII took more shots down the field, I'd expect to see a higher ratio of INTs to TDs.

. . . And that it is "hard to think" he could keep the same ratio of INTs to TDs if he was throwing downfield more.

Two sides of the same coin. I guess I was only saying one thing, whether it's a "proportion" or "ratio": more attempts would equal more INTs to TDs.

I dunno. Made sense to me when I wrote it and still makes sense to me now. But maybe I am confused and beyond help.