RGIII taking too many hits?

[skinsfan#33]

RGIII is going to get hit. We know that. But, I think we can all be pleased with the amount of punishment he's taken this year, especially given the fact that we all expected our Offensive Line to be among the worst in the league. They're actually above average.

They are above average, but RG3 running has a lot to do with why they are above average. The D can't pin their ears and rush the passer because they are afraid of getting gashed by Robert.

If he stays in the pocket, he would get hit more, much more, than if he ran!

RGIII wasn't sacked at all last night. But, he does take some unnecessary shots when he is running and not getting down or out of bounds.

He will learn how to do this. But, I imagine it's tough when you're running 20 MPH.

I'm not as worried about the hits he takes in the pocket. That's normal. But, he's gotta avoid some of the other kill shots.

He wasn't sacked last night because he threw the ball less than thirty times. He can do that because of the ruining game and he is part of the running game.

Yes, he needs to learn not to take unnecessary hits and he has for the most part (as a runner - not so as a passer). Last night he took a hit to stay in bounds and keep the clock running, but it wasn't as bad as the hit he took on that deep out to Garcon in the 1st. That hit was avoidable too! The ball came out late. If he throws it earlier, he doesn't get hit and maybe Garcon has a chance to turn up field.

Look I don't expect him to be perfect (yet). He is a rookie and he is going to be late on some throws and take hits he doesn't need to.
He is going to take some hits on running plays he doesn't need to, but I personally think, overall he is taking less hits than he would if he just sat in the pocket. Again, Rex got pounded last year because he was willing to sit on the pocket and take a hit. Rex took way more hard hits last year than Griffin has this year.

I want RG3 running the ball for many reasons, but the biggest ones are because it works and because he takes LESS hits that way!

[skinsfan#33]

RGIII is going to get hit. We know that. But, I think we can all be pleased with the amount of punishment he's taken this year, especially given the fact that we all expected our Offensive Line to be among the worst in the league. They're actually above average.

They are above average, but RG3 running has a lot to do with why they are above average. The D can't pin their ears and rush the passer because they are afraid of getting gashed by Robert.

If he stays in the pocket, he would get hit more, much more, than if he ran!

RGIII wasn't sacked at all last night. But, he does take some unnecessary shots when he is running and not getting down or out of bounds.

He will learn how to do this. But, I imagine it's tough when you're running 20 MPH.

I'm not as worried about the hits he takes in the pocket. That's normal. But, he's gotta avoid some of the other kill shots.

He wasn't sacked last night because he threw the ball less than thirty times. He can do that because of the ruining game and he is part of the running game.

Yes, he needs to learn not to take unnecessary hits and he has for the most part (as a runner - not so as a passer). Last night he took a hit to stay in bounds and keep the clock running, but it wasn't as bad as the hit he took on that deep out to Garcon in the 1st. That hit was avoidable too! The ball came out late. If he throws it earlier, he doesn't get hit and maybe Garcon has a chance to turn up field.

Look I don't expect him to be perfect (yet). He is a rookie and he is going to be late on some throws and take hits he doesn't need to.
He is going to take some hits on running plays he doesn't need to, but I personally think, overall he is taking less hits than he would if he just sat in the pocket. Again, Rex got pounded last year because he was willing to sit on the pocket and take a hit. Rex took way more hard hits last year than Griffin has this year.

I want RG3 running the ball for many reasons, but the biggest ones are because it works and because he takes LESS hits that way!

[Bob 0119]

3pt favorites over Baltimore? Well, let's see...

Who have they really played?

Sure, they beat New England, and did have a win over Pittsburgh but apart from that here's their 2012 opponents:

BENGALS
EAGLES - (one of their three losses)
PATRIOTS
BROWNS
CHIEFS
COWGIRLS
TEXANS - (their second loss)
BROWNS
RAIDERS
STEELERS
CHARGERS
STEELERS - (lost to Charlie Batch)

I mean, Christ, how do you not come away 9-3 with that schedule? Look at this

3-9 EAGLES
4-8 BROWNS
2-10 CHIEFS
4-8 BROWNS
3-9 RAIDERS
4-8 CHARGERS

That's six games with opponents who combine for 20-52 AND THEY STILL LOST TO ONE OF THEM!

When you look at that, 3pt favorites doesn't seem so far fetched for a 6-6 team facing a 9-3 team.

[FLWSkin]

I feel the same when I hear about the "miraculous" year the Colts are having. Give us Miami, Titans x2 Jags x2 and the rest of their schedule and I'd love to see where we would be.

[DarthMonk]

The Skins are 3 point favorites against Baltimore.

I like being the underdog though.

Me too. They are saying the teams are equal but we give 3 at home. Interesting. Ravens can be run on. Their O is better but still not great.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

The Skins are 3 point favorites against Baltimore.

I like being the underdog though.

Me too. They are saying the teams are equal but we give 3 at home. Interesting. Ravens can be run on. Their O is better but still not great.

Their O is better at what? Then what?
Our run D is stout... And flacco sux... I like our match up actually.

[FLWSkin]

I think it is a good matchup for us. We are good against the run and their passing game isn't as good as others we have faced. Their D, esp if Suggs is out, can be had. We need to play well, but it can be done.

[Deadskins]

they really struggle on the road

Not such a long road, though. Expect many Ravens fans at the game.

[riggofan]

I think it is a good matchup for us. We are good against the run and their passing game isn't as good as others we have faced. Their D, esp if Suggs is out, can be had. We need to play well, but it can be done.

+1. Flacco is up and down. Their offense is Ray Rice. We've been good against the run, but will need to stop him on those short passes and screens also.

[emoses14]

they really struggle on the road

Not such a long road, though. Expect many Ravens fans at the game.

Even though Baltimore is the City that Reads, I'm not sure Raven's fans know how to read a map, follow GPS or decipher a train schedule.

[absinthe1023]

I feel the same when I hear about the "miraculous" year the Colts are having. Give us Miami, Titans x2 Jags x2 and the rest of their schedule and I'd love to see where we would be.

Exactly. The Colts also tanked games last year (to ensure the first overall pick) by purposely fielding a crappy lineup and by allowing Caldwell to continue coaching despite the obvious fact that he had lost the team. I would be surprised if they even gameplanned the second half of the season.

This means that their "remarkable turnaround" this year is mostly smoke and mirrors as well.

[SkinsJock]

I was a little worried about Gruden during the MNF game, he had his panties so twisted up over RGIII getting hit. Here's my question to you guys. Is this stuff about RGIII taking too many hits, risking his career, durability, etc; completely over hyped or what?

I understand Griffin is a mobile guy and puts himself at risk sometimes when he scrambles. He's also not the biggest QB out there. But has he really been hit that much more or that much worse than any other QB in the league?

I'll just finish my question with this. RGIII is 6'2" 217 and has been sacked 25 times this season. Three more times than 6'0 209 lbs Drew Brees. 14 times less than 6'2" 225 lbs Aaron Rodgers. So why all the hyperventilating over Griffin?

NO WORRIES riggofan - the media loves to create things and hype stuff ...

I'm not worried about the hits - this kid is evolving, AND the offense is evolving

here's a piece from Steve Young

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... rom-pocket

I really think that we're going to see Kyle and RG3 continue to adapt the pistol offense BUT at the same time I believe they are constantly adding and tweaking the plays - RG3 is not going to be 'put at risk' here - these guys (Mike & Kyle & RG3) are setting the table and where going to be feasting for a long, long time

[FLWSkin]

But but ESPN has said our offense is just a gimmick.....and we know they can't be wrong....

[DaveD1420]

NO WORRIES riggofan - the media loves to create things and hype stuff ...

I'm not worried about the hits - this kid is evolving, AND the offense is evolving

here's a piece from Steve Young

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... rom-pocket

I really think that we're going to see Kyle and RG3 continue to adapt the pistol offense BUT at the same time I believe they are constantly adding and tweaking the plays - RG3 is not going to be 'put at risk' here - these guys (Mike & Kyle & RG3) are setting the table and where going to be feasting for a long, long time

It seems to me that RG3 has been passing from the pocket a lot more in the last 3 wins, including several TDs from the pocket. People see what they want to see when they want to have things to complain about. Case in point: The Giants Board post-Skins game.

[crazyhorse1]

The Skins are 3 point favorites against Baltimore.

I like being the underdog though.

Me too. They are saying the teams are equal but we give 3 at home. Interesting. Ravens can be run on. Their O is better but still not great.

Their O is better at what? Then what?
Our run D is stout... And flacco sux... I like our match up actually.

Raven's are an enigma. Great record, but both their offense and defense are ranked in the lower half of the league. They could be a paper tiger, surviving on breaks and poor opponents. Maybe they have done it with mirrors. Ray is out, Reed is having a poor tackling year and is not what he used to be. We could win this one with less difficulty than expected-- here's hoping. My heart could use a breather. One of these days, RG3 is going to hit about twenty passes in a row, Alfred will run for 200, and the D is going to look good. Can't wait.

[Irn-Bru]

We could win this one with less difficulty than expected-- here's hoping. My heart could use a breather.

The Philly and Dallas games weren't enough of one?

[SkinsJock]

I'll agree to an extent CH1 - the Ravens of the last 3 weeks are not as much of a worry ..

The Ravens do have a very good coach and Boldin and Rice are top quality offensive players

I think we should win this game but it will require a very good game by the Redskins and some mistakes by the Ravens

the Redskins in the last 3 games basically dictated and refused to lose - IF we play with that same intensity - WE WIN

the ravens have not played well recently but they are a solid team and they are well coached

[riggofan]

I really think that we're going to see Kyle and RG3 continue to adapt the pistol offense BUT at the same time I believe they are constantly adding and tweaking the plays - RG3 is not going to be 'put at risk' here - these guys (Mike & Kyle & RG3) are setting the table and where going to be feasting for a long, long time

SJ, you almost sound pro-Kyle there!!

I agree with what you wrote and the above comment about RGIII passing from the pocket more lately. I think we have to admit that a big reason we have all of these runs, designed and not, is that our offensive line still isn't that good. RGIII in the pistol formation keeps defenses on their heels and takes a lot of the pressure off our o-line. It kind of is what it is. I suspect the line would look a lot different with Jason Campbell standing back there like a statue.

Man, just think about this offense in the years ahead. Fred Davis back healthy. Garcon at 100%. An upgrade at RT. How about Roy Helu back to add a little change of pace to Alfred Morris? This is just the beginning, friends...

[riggofan]

Peter King today GUSHING over the offense:

what's so impressive about the offense is that the cat-quickness of a guy like Pierre-Paul is neutered when he has to be disciplined and stay with his assignment rather than chase the quarterback like he'd do normally.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... z2EOVpkS8k

[SkinsJock]

I really think that we're going to see Kyle and RG3 continue to adapt the pistol offense BUT at the same time I believe they are constantly adding and tweaking the plays - RG3 is not going to be 'put at risk' here - these guys (Mike & Kyle & RG3) are setting the table and where going to be feasting for a long, long time

SJ, you almost sound pro-Kyle there!!

true dat - GULP

I agree with what you wrote and the above comment about RGIII passing from the pocket more lately. I think we have to admit that a big reason we have all of these runs, designed and not, is that our offensive line still isn't that good. RGIII in the pistol formation keeps defenses on their heels and takes a lot of the pressure off our o-line. It kind of is what it is. I suspect the line would look a lot different with Jason Campbell standing back there like a statue.

Man, just think about this offense in the years ahead. Fred Davis back healthy. Garcon at 100%. An upgrade at RT. How about Roy Helu back to add a little change of pace to Alfred Morris? This is just the beginning, friends...

I'm looking forward to the RG3 offense ... even with Kyle

[Countertrey]

While the offense is not a "gimmick", it is true that it is very unusual... enough so that no one works on defending it until the week before they play the skins. There are a few other quarterback in the league, whom, while not as capable as Griffin (Russell Wilson comes to mind), could run a hybrid option/passing game like this one. If more teams adopt it, defenses will need to work against it more. At some point, effective strategies will be developed to slow it down, or even hand cuff it. I'm not sure that anyone will ever fully shut down Griffin, though, until age and injury take a step or two away from him... at which point, he's probably going to have mastered the pocket passing game.

The response from other teams at that point will be... "REALLY? Come ON, man? "

[SkinsJock]

While the offense is not a "gimmick", it is true that it is very unusual... enough so that no one works on defending it until the week before they play the skins.
There are a few other quarterback in the league, whom, while not as capable as Griffin (Russell Wilson comes to mind), could run a hybrid option/passing game like this one. If more teams adopt it, defenses will need to work against it more.
At some point, effective strategies will be developed to slow it down, or even hand cuff it. I'm not sure that anyone will ever fully shut down Griffin though, until age and injury take a step or two away from him... at which point, he's probably going to have mastered the pocket passing game....

+1 - This is really good ...

I think we're already seeing the offense evolving away from the pistol formation to take advantage of Griffin's physical talent and his mental capacity - Mike & Kyle do NOT want to see D linemen just flattening their QB and I think we're seeing that Griffin is evolving away from the 'college option' play to a different version of the same - FACT IS there are very few (if any) QBs that have the speed that Griffin has and I'm sure that they will continue to use that but I've noticed recently that there are more plays with him getting rid of the ball very quickly OR using running plays that get him away from potential tacklers because he's starting to be better at reading what the NFL defenses are trying to do

i've heard that the Ravens think they will just assume Griffin has the ball and put him on the ground each and every chance they get ...
EASY to say .. I'm sure that the giants linemen, who are an even better group, would have liked to get more hits on Griffin too - THEY couldn't

[Countertrey]

I think that Bob's ability to read defenses SUPER FAST is really what makes this scheme work. I simply can't believe how quickly he makes decisions based on his reads... You simply can't defend that.

[skinsfan#33]

I have been listening to several radio stations and each of them (92.7, 106.7, Sirius NFL) and they ask had experts on that said that the Skins are running much more of their normal play book than people would think. They are just running the plays out of the pistol formation.

Apparent, the technique used to stop the zone read is just the opposite of what you need to do to stop must of Shanny's ZBS run plays, which the Skins have running from the pistol formation too. This puts the D in an incredible bind. If they play the play with technique to stop a ZBS run they will get gashed if the play is a zone read.

More people are starting to think this is a sustainable offense as long as RG limits his carries. However, he has to run enough to make himself a threat.

[Countertrey]

I have been listening to several radio stations and each of them (92.7, 106.7, Sirius NFL) and they ask had experts on that said that the Skins are running much more of their normal play book than people would think. They are just running the plays out of the pistol formation.

Apparent, the technique used to stop the zone read is just the opposite of what you need to do to stop must of Shanny's ZBS run plays, which the Skins have running from the pistol formation too. This puts the D in an incredible bind. If they play the play with technique to stop a ZBS run they will get gashed if the play is a zone read.

More people are starting to think this is a sustainable offense as long as RG limits his carries. However, he has to run enough to make himself a threat.

I think that this is what really makes RGIII a stud. He is the perfect combiniation of rare skills that make this offense dangerous... No one will be able to run it with the effectiveness that he has... Russell Wilson is close, but his height places him at a disadvantage in making accurate reads. Cam Newton has the height and athleticism, but I don't know that he has the football intelligence to make the reads accurately (he struggles with zone reads), nor the selflessness to "make the right call" consistently . For that reason, I think this offense will not be easy to duplicate elsewhere... as a result, it will not be easy to defend, until RGIII starts to slow down.