The Hogster wrote:If that guy doesn't get Griffin's jersey on that 46 yard run, he might have scored. His speed is ridiculous. Loved the graphic that ESPN showed during the game which broke down the speed of RGIII's release (being the same as Aaron Rodgers) and his explosiveness being on par with Adrian Peterson's.
This dudue is a freak.
Ryan Kerrigan has to step his game up though. I thought he was a bit better than Orakpo for a time last year. But, it's clear who is the better pass rusher now.
Do you think that Orakpo would still be getting sacks or generating QB pressure if the tables were turned and Kerrigan and Carriker were both out?
My guess is probably not. I think we're seeing proof that all three players need to be present in order for the current scheme to be effective.
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The Hogster wrote:If that guy doesn't get Griffin's jersey on that 46 yard run, he might have scored. His speed is ridiculous. Loved the graphic that ESPN showed during the game which broke down the speed of RGIII's release (being the same as Aaron Rodgers) and his explosiveness being on par with Adrian Peterson's.
This dudue is a freak.
Ryan Kerrigan has to step his game up though. I thought he was a bit better than Orakpo for a time last year. But, it's clear who is the better pass rusher now.
Do you think that Orakpo would still be getting sacks or generating QB pressure if the tables were turned and Kerrigan and Carriker were both out?
My guess is probably not. I think we're seeing proof that all three players need to be present in order for the current scheme to be effective.
Well, Orakpo had 11 sacks without either Carriker or Kerrigan in 2009. Granted, that was a different scheme altogether. But that number would suggest that, yes, Orakpo would still be getting sacks/generating pressure without the other 2. I DO NOT THINK there would be no drop off, but I DO THINK he'd be doing better than Kerrigan is. That is because I think he is better than Kerrigan (which is a nice because I think Kerrigan is good and will be really good).
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
The Hogster wrote:If that guy doesn't get Griffin's jersey on that 46 yard run, he might have scored. His speed is ridiculous. Loved the graphic that ESPN showed during the game which broke down the speed of RGIII's release (being the same as Aaron Rodgers) and his explosiveness being on par with Adrian Peterson's.
This dudue is a freak.
Ryan Kerrigan has to step his game up though. I thought he was a bit better than Orakpo for a time last year. But, it's clear who is the better pass rusher now.
Do you think that Orakpo would still be getting sacks or generating QB pressure if the tables were turned and Kerrigan and Carriker were both out?
My guess is probably not. I think we're seeing proof that all three players need to be present in order for the current scheme to be effective.
They work hand in hand, but Orakpo had a better season without Kerrigan than vice versa. And, like I said, I thought Kerrigan was a bit better. It could all change with a couple of 2 sack games.
The Hogster wrote:If that guy doesn't get Griffin's jersey on that 46 yard run, he might have scored. His speed is ridiculous. Loved the graphic that ESPN showed during the game which broke down the speed of RGIII's release (being the same as Aaron Rodgers) and his explosiveness being on par with Adrian Peterson's.
This dudue is a freak.
Ryan Kerrigan has to step his game up though. I thought he was a bit better than Orakpo for a time last year. But, it's clear who is the better pass rusher now.
Do you think that Orakpo would still be getting sacks or generating QB pressure if the tables were turned and Kerrigan and Carriker were both out?
My guess is probably not. I think we're seeing proof that all three players need to be present in order for the current scheme to be effective.
They work hand in hand, but Orakpo had a better season without Kerrigan than vice versa. And, like I said, I thought Kerrigan was a bit better. It could all change with a couple of 2 sack games.
I thought the same as you. I thought we could even trade Rak. Boy was I wrong on that. He is really missed and so is Carriker. We need them all back and healthy. Imagine if we had Tanard,Merriweather,Carriker and Rak. Maybe next year.
The Hogster wrote:If that guy doesn't get Griffin's jersey on that 46 yard run, he might have scored. His speed is ridiculous. Loved the graphic that ESPN showed during the game which broke down the speed of RGIII's release (being the same as Aaron Rodgers) and his explosiveness being on par with Adrian Peterson's.
This dudue is a freak.
Ryan Kerrigan has to step his game up though. I thought he was a bit better than Orakpo for a time last year. But, it's clear who is the better pass rusher now.
Do you think that Orakpo would still be getting sacks or generating QB pressure if the tables were turned and Kerrigan and Carriker were both out?
My guess is probably not. I think we're seeing proof that all three players need to be present in order for the current scheme to be effective.
They work hand in hand, but Orakpo had a better season without Kerrigan than vice versa. And, like I said, I thought Kerrigan was a bit better. It could all change with a couple of 2 sack games.
My main point (which I didn't explicitly state) is that we really don't have enough evidence to draw a conclusion here, as we haven't seen Orakpo alone without Kerrigan or Carriker in this scheme. I for one am hoping that we never get an answer to this question
"No one played with more heart."
-Clinton Portis on Sean Taylor
As of 11/27/07, I resolve to never again read any version of the Washington Post.
absinthe1023 wrote:My main point (which I didn't explicitly state) is that we really don't have enough evidence to draw a conclusion here, as we haven't seen Orakpo alone without Kerrigan or Carriker in this scheme. I for one am hoping that we never get an answer to this question
I'm with you man. I don't really think this season shows that Rak is better than Kerrigan, not that it matters. Rak is a beast though! I'm sure the woeful secondary this year isn't helping Kerrigan either. Isn't it true that those guys have more opportunity for sacks if the QB can't find open WRs and are holding on to the ball?
A friend of mine asked me what was up with the Skins D. I told him, you need guys to set each edge and be solid up the middle. We lost Carriker who set one edge, Orakpo who set the other and are playing safites number 3 and 5 as starters. Any team would struggle with this, let alone a rebuilding team with not much depth.
There were some plays where Kerrigan was one on one with Locklear and couldn't get off of him. Not that I'm down on Kerrigan, I'm not. Maybe he has a nagging injury. But, I will say that Kerrigan was my favorite Redskin since Sean Taylor before RGIII came to town. So I am moreso speaking of how something seems a bit off.
Yes, the injuries hurt, but Kerrigan is a beast, and he would probably admit that he needs to pick it up when he's in one on one situations.
The Hogster wrote:If that guy doesn't get Griffin's jersey on that 46 yard run, he might have scored. His speed is ridiculous. Loved the graphic that ESPN showed during the game which broke down the speed of RGIII's release (being the same as Aaron Rodgers) and his explosiveness being on par with Adrian Peterson's.
This dudue is a freak.
Ryan Kerrigan has to step his game up though. I thought he was a bit better than Orakpo for a time last year. But, it's clear who is the better pass rusher now.
Do you think that Orakpo would still be getting sacks or generating QB pressure if the tables were turned and Kerrigan and Carriker were both out?
My guess is probably not. I think we're seeing proof that all three players need to be present in order for the current scheme to be effective.
They work hand in hand, but Orakpo had a better season without Kerrigan than vice versa. And, like I said, I thought Kerrigan was a bit better. It could all change with a couple of 2 sack games.
My main point (which I didn't explicitly state) is that we really don't have enough evidence to draw a conclusion here, as we haven't seen Orakpo alone without Kerrigan or Carriker in this scheme. I for one am hoping that we never get an answer to this question
Orakpo played in this scheme in 2010 and had 8.5 sacks i believe, the year before Kerrigan was drafted. The year before he had 11 as a DE/LB in the 4-3. The first year with Kerrigan Rak had 9 sacks, 2011, so his production in the 3-4 with and w/o Kerrigan in terms of sacks has been a wash in a small sample size. I think Orakpo has proven, in two different schemes with or without Kerrigan, he can get to the QB. In fairness, Kerrigan is at 6.5 sacks this year and had 7.5 last year so his numbers haven't really fallen off (it does seem that way though) that far but as a team our sack numbers are way down. Maybe the real missing piece here is the inside, last year other teams lines were worried about our edge rushing that Bowen and Carriker took advantage but this year our 3 interior lineman are not getting the sacks.
SouthLondonRedskin wrote: Man, wish I was there, looked like the place was bouncing!!! RFK style...
Must have been a great night...
No.
There was never any Blue at RFK. There was plenty yesterday at FedEx.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
The fans are now sure that they can get seats to a game at FedEx and there are many people from all over the country living in DC area
PLUS
The stadium is in easy driving range for many other teams fans
RFK was not a place that fans from other teams could easily get into - it was a fantastic place to go EXPERIENCE an NFL game - UNBELIEVABLE
you cannot imagine it AND you cannot make enough of the fact that the stadium was actually 'moving' - unreal experience
I'll never forget standing at the field level and having Ed 'too tall' Jones standing just a few yards away - he was the biggest football player I had ever seen
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Don't worry. I think RGIII will be building Danny a new, state of the art, DC stadium. Remember, the FedEx experience isn't all Danny's fault. JKC cooked up this idea. I expect Danny to go all out and not only try to top the stadium in Dallas. But, incorporate some advantage building design like the Seattle Stadium has.
Don't think for a second that Dan Snyder sits in other stadiums and doesn't think about out doing them.
The Hogster wrote:Don't worry. I think RGIII will be building Danny a new, state of the art, DC stadium. Remember, the FedEx experience isn't all Danny's fault. JKC cooked up this idea. I expect Danny to go all out and not only try to top the stadium in Dallas. But, incorporate some advantage building design like the Seattle Stadium has.
Don't think for a second that Dan Snyder sits in other stadiums and doesn't think about out doing them.
Something along these lines would be wonderful. I volunteer as an architect.
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Just my opinion but I think Dan Snyder is a little man with a big 'unit' complex - I think he'll want another huge stadium
I'd love to have a decent size stadium with the ability to be open or closed so they could host a Super Bowl (OR more than 1)
I just see Danny going for a massive stadium again ... why do that, when you already have FedEx
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
He couldn't afford Jack Kent Cooke Stadium. Isn't that why he sold it to FedEx? Why would a money man spread himself that way? Maybe FedEx doesn't own it, can someone enlighten me on this?
you do understand that Dan Snyder owns the Redskins AND the stadium they play in .... right
FedEx paid Dan Snyder a small sum to be able to 'name' the stadium FedEx field
there are many companies that have these deals called "stadium naming rights"
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SouthLondonRedskin wrote: Man, wish I was there, looked like the place was bouncing!!! RFK style...
Must have been a great night...
No.
There was never any Blue at RFK. There was plenty yesterday at FedEx.
Really? Never any blue at RFK...?!?
So what's changed...? Do we have less support than before or do people travel to games more now or something...
He exaggerates (a little) but there are roughly 30,000 more seats now and there was no stubhub or craigslist back then.
Nevermind that the only way to get tickets was to sell your kids...
The REALITY was that RFK was a VERY hostile place to opponents. FedEx simply is not. Part of it relates to the way they are built. Like Seattle, RFK retained and amplified sound... and the end zone seats, when things really got cooking, were as good as any amusement park ride.
Opponents detested playing in RFK... FedEx... not so much. Maybe it will change... but it will NEVER be as noisy as RFK.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
SkinsJock wrote::shock: you do understand that Dan Snyder owns the Redskins AND the stadium they play in .... right
FedEx paid Dan Snyder a small sum to be able to 'name' the stadium FedEx field
there are many companies that have these deals called "stadium naming rights"
No I didn't know that. I thought he was stretched thin and sold. Thanks.
ne worries - one might say that "Danny has done well" financially with the Redskins ...
I think the purchase price was around $600M and it included the stadium and all the VA practice facilities
at that time, there were at least 1 maybe 2 partners that made it all possible for the (I think) 34 year old to basically take over the franchise from JKC's family
the Redskins now belong to Snyder and their approx. worth is $1.3B ... and growing
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SouthLondonRedskin wrote: Man, wish I was there, looked like the place was bouncing!!! RFK style...
Must have been a great night...
No.
There was never any Blue at RFK. There was plenty yesterday at FedEx.
Really? Never any blue at RFK...?!?
So what's changed...? Do we have less support than before or do people travel to games more now or something...
He exaggerates (a little) but there are roughly 30,000 more seats now and there was no stubhub or craigslist back then.
Nevermind that the only way to get tickets was to sell your kids...
The REALITY was that RFK was a VERY hostile place to opponents. FedEx simply is not. Part of it relates to the way they are built. Like Seattle, RFK retained and amplified sound... and the end zone seats, when things really got cooking, were as good as any amusement park ride.
Opponents detested playing in RFK... FedEx... not so much. Maybe it will change... but it will NEVER be as noisy as RFK.
That's such a shame. I'll never see the Redskins at RFK....
Don't DC United play their games there...? I really want to go, just to imagine what it was like back then...
I did visit RFK as a kid but it was in the Summer, so had a little look round and bought some bits from the shop but obviously no game day experience.
It's like that over here now as well, all the new soccer stadiums are generally souless and uninspiring, the best grounds to visit for atmosphere are the real old ones, like Everton's or West Ham's, that retain a sense of history.
you do understand that Dan Snyder owns the Redskins AND the stadium they play in .... right
